WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't guess there's a whole lot more to say toDay, is there? Hopefully I'll have some insights toMorrow.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't guess there's a whole lot more to say toDay, is there? Hopefully I'll have some insights toMorrow.

Well is there any way to get a quick list of how you feel about everyone else? Mehbe?

[satansaloser2005]

Well I suppose that's it for toDay then. Ranger, it's all up to you now. Rock on.


Night everyone!

[Gwathagor]

[I don't feel like writing narration at the moment, but I'll try to put something together tomorrow.]

Izzy is dead. She was the betrayer.

***
Night 4 has begun.


The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent
Rosalita - Loslote - Innocent
Mary - Rikae - Innocent
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya - The Betrayer (Wolf)

[Gwathagor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHLJ6IRb6k

Sandy dreamed. She dreamed of kids driving aimlessly through town, music loud. She dreamed she saw lovers walking hand in hand, laughing. She dreamed of alleys without shadows, of a city without disappointment, of a land where hope never let you down. She dreamed that she had never been alone and never would be.

She remembered slow-dancing in the dark on the beach at Stockton's Wing, holding someone tight as tight as she could. She remembered all those long evenings at Greasy Lake. Days at the circus. Wild Billy and his friend G-Man, flying through town. Evenings with Mary out at the race track. Rosie leading through the steps of the E-Street Shuffle. She remembered the carefree, innocent years, when life had seemed so far away.

Then she was awake, standing in the doorway just out of the rain. The city hit her like a slap in the face: the girls on the corner, the rain pouring down, the dark and silent cars which crept through the streets. She strained her ears, listening for some happy sound. Far off, she thought she heard a motorcycle, but it was too far away to tell. Tears welled up in her eyes and she stepped out into the rain, raising her face and hands to the sky. There were footsteps. She turned.

BLAM!

Sandy fell to the wet pavement, shot dead.

***
Day 4 has begun.

The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent
Rosalita - Loslote - Innocent
Mary - Rikae - Innocent
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya - The Betrayer (Wolf)
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally - The Dreamer (Seer)

[wilwarin538]

Wow no one has posted.


So this sucks. Poor Sally....

I need to change to a different room for class, but I'll be back on in like 20 minutes and I'll ignore my teacher (like usual) and provide some thoughts, in order to get things started.

[Inziladun]

Well, we lost our Seer, but it's not over yet, folks. We can still win this, unless you've given up?

I don't see us getting anything from the Izzy voters, because all her votes came after Sally outed her.

I think we have a good chance at getting a wolf with either Nog or Shasta. I was a bit concerned yesterDay with the way Wilwa seemed to be hanging on Sally's every word, and making what appeared to be a concerted effort to appear helpful and innocent. However, I think Nog looks worse than she at this point. I noted the way he seemed unwilling to take the hint from Sally that he should vote Izzy, needing a full admission from Sally about her dream before voting for her, even though he had thrown out some weak suspicion of Izzy. Sally had obviously not wanted to reveal the dream just yet, and it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Nog missing the hints.

Shasta still feels bad to me as well. I know he says he's been busy, but he's been around so little any serious analysis of him looks to be well-nigh impossible. And he didn't respond to Sally's request for his thoughts before DL, though he had about 10 minutes, time enough to post something.

Anyway, back at work toDay, looking in as I can.

x/d with Wilwa (after nearly 11 hours of nothing)

[wilwarin538]

Who's left:

Nogrod
Inziladun
Shasta
Alonariel
Wilwarin
Lariren

2 are wolves, 1 is the Ranger, then 3 ords. If we don't get a wolf today, then we most likely lose.

So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight.

Looking at the Lover pairs:

Sally/Glirdan: seer/ordo
Morsul/Wilwa: hunter/unknown
Izzy/Rikae: wolf/ordo
Lottie/Nog: ordo/unknown
Shasta/Alona: unknown/unknown
Dun/Lari: unknown/unknown

I know I'm an innocent. So either all of the pairs are a role (wolf, gifted) with an ordo, or Nog really is an ord and either the Shasta/Alona or the Dun/Lari pair is made up of two wolves. I still however see it as unlikely that there are 2 wolves paired together. Yes it's possible that a gifted could be paired with a wolf (I don't think so, but I'm staying open minded), which would implicate myself and whoever the Ranger is paired with.

Sally very clearly referred to the Ranger as being a SHE. So I'm not touching Alona or Lari toDay. (though I'm not actually really suspicious of either at this point anyway)

So I think that our wolves our among Inzil, Shasta and Nog. I'm kinda suspicious on some level of all three. But because of my little theory about the Lover pairings, Nog seems like the most likely wolf to me, so I think I might go with him. We'll see how the Day goes though.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, we lost our Seer, but it's not over yet, folks. We can still win this, unless you've given up?

This must be the single most wolvish-looking sentence for toDay.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I was a bit concerned yesterDay with the way Wilwa seemed to be hanging on Sally's every word, and making what appeared to be a concerted effort to appear helpful and innocent.

I do agree. And not only that, but also trying to get an innocent lynched with all her effort...


But as I see there are many voicing the idea (late yesterDay and toDay) that I'm one of the top candidates I think some speaking of sense would be in place to begin with.

Originally Posted by Inzil

However, I think Nog looks worse than she at this point. I noted the way he seemed unwilling to take the hint from Sally that he should vote Izzy, needing a full admission from Sally about her dream before voting for her, even though he had thrown out some weak suspicion of Izzy. Sally had obviously not wanted to reveal the dream just yet, and it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Nog missing the hints.

Well I think I have a few things to say on this issue...

First of all, how did this thought of us knowing Sally had dreamt a wolf come from? At least to me it was not obvious and I didn't find it even now looking back the thread.

Sally said in her first post as an answer to alona's question "any luck dreaming of a wolf?" the following (boldings mine):

Originally Posted by Sally

As a matter of fact I might have. However....
Since toDay may be my last Day -again- I'd like to leave you lot a bit of something to chew on. That being said, I will reveal my dream(s) at the end of the Day. With the information I have (or even without it) we've nearly a 50/50 chance of lynching a wolf, which will greatly increase our chances of winning.

To me and my understanding of English-language that seems like far from clear she had a wolf. Actually it looks like the contrary - but she was clearly wishing to play games with the wolves (like saying she had two wolves the Day before etc.). So at least I took that as something I couldn't and shouldn't rely on.

But actually that is no big deal - unless some wolves are trying to use wrong information (that we knew she had a wolf) as "evidence" to their fabricated cases against innocents.

If you Inzil, or anyone, go back the thread you see an interesting thing I only realised when Sally revealed Izzy was a wolf. She had suspected me the whole Day quite heavily, but after I had voiced my suspicions on Izzy here and entertained the idea whether I should actually vote her, Sally's tone actually changed. After wilwa rushed on to call me a likely wolf she actually said that:

Originally Posted by Sally

I'm not sure on him yet so I'd rather not vote him toDay. He's said some things these last few posts that make me think he really is innocent.

Now why should that be? Well, in hindsight it looks quite clear: she saw I hit the right target and was thinking of voting her - and I had come to that conclusion without her helping me out with it, so I was an innocent - as I am.

Think carefully: if I was a wolf, I would need to have psychic powers to foresee it would be Izzy whom Sally had dreamt of and then make a case against her before Sally revealed her knowledge, just to look good. So sorry, you're grasping at straws here. Or should I say you're trying to get an innocent lynched on purpose?

Also you say I had made some "weak suspicions" on Izzy as a kind of downplaying of what I said there! Now that's wolf-talk as the wolves are the only ones to know for certain. I was actually a bit proud of myself to have noticed the sneakiness of her post (referred to up here) and to really take it seriously enough to consider voting her, or wilwa who seemed to be too busy trying to convince everyone why I should be lynched.

I had already come to the conclusion earlier that either Izzy or wilwa should be a wolf - or they both are / were (look here for details). But that early thought was based only on speculation on the PM-pairs (no wolf-wolf pair around that is), and as I had seen that many of you were wrong about the pairs (thinking there were no ordo-ordo pairs which I know is false), I had thought I could be wrong too about the pairs. But with Izzy's post and wilwa's willingness they both looked suspicious to me - and kind of confirmed my initial suspicions based on the PM-pairs.

You Inzil also say I was unwilling to "take the hint" from Sally to vote for Izzy! Now let's see what happened.

First of all I (or you) didn't know Sally had a wolf bagged. But she had kept me and Izzy as her two main candidates the first part of the Day - leaning on voting me rather than Izzy. As an innocent that was a sign for me that her open suspicions were as ungrounded as anyone's, so there was no particular reason for me to think she had dreamt of Izzy as she was so wrong with me.

When I had thought of voting Izzy, she said:

Originally Posted by Sally

Nog, Izzy isn't the ranger, so if you need to go to bed she's a safe vote.

That actually just says what it says. If she had no wolf and Izzy was not the ranger or the ordo she had dreamt of, she would say something like that - if she was willing to see how the wolves reacted to the insecurity of her dream (which I think she had in mind). And that's how I took it.

The second "hint" she gave was this (after I had mulled over whether to vote for Izzy or wilwa):

Originally Posted by Sally

If my opinion matters, I'd prefer Izzy. I think Wilwa's probably innocent.

My reaction to that was:

Originally Posted by me

I actually disagree here even if I'm suspecting Izzy as well. Wilwa looks so opportunistic to press for an interpretation I know is not true that it makes me suspect her more (for is she were a wolf that would suit her just perfectly!) - not to talk of her voting I referred to earlier.

Or are you implying Izzy is in fact a wolf?

Then I waited for her to comment on my question, taking that out from my sleep which anyway was getting short... 'nuff said I think.

So Inzil, to borrow your exact words, "it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Inzil missing the" points. So do I have to conclude you're one of our last wolves trying to push an already suspected innocent towards the gallows to ensure the wolf-victory? Were you perhaps a bit too overconfident?


Well, I need to think about the last two wolves, but if I'd need to vote right now, I'd say Inzil and wilwa... but I really need to look at the pairs again - as well as the discussion yesterDay after I left. So that may change.