WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2)

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, but I'm glad you're willing. Does this mean you're willing to protect other gifteds as well? (Not that I'm at risk of getting lynched, but....heh. Just for fun.)

I don't understand how I could protect you, seeing as I'm not the Ranger. And I inadvertently helped lynch the Hunter on Day 1

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by alonariel

I don't understand how I could protect you, seeing as I'm not the Ranger. And I inadvertently helped lynch the Hunter on Day 1

Well of course not! But it's nice to know I have your support and that you'll help.


And regardless of the fact that Morsul took Glirdan, I think it's best he died when he did, because I'd have wasted a dream on him otherwise.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Well of course not! But it's nice to know I have your support and that you'll help.

Of course, just not when you're spouting Princess Bride quotes while serenading Boro at the same time.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Well the second one because he is suggesting he is an ord (making the him/lottie pairing ord-ord).

But that's interesting, cause he agrees that there are no wolf-wolf pairings, but then says there is an ord-ord pairing. But to have both there would need to be a gifted-gifted pairing aswell (do the math, I'm right), which could only be possible if I'm the Ranger.

So....this is an interesting position you've put us in Nogrod.

Yeah, I read that wrong. I thought he was implying he knew there were no ordo/ordo pairings, which was of course strange. Silly me, go back to remedial English. *headdesks* And believe me, there's no gifted/gifted pairing, as you so helpfully pointed out. There could be gifted/wolf or wolf/wolf though.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If you lynch me - you lose. That simple.

Unless:
a) the ranger gives you one more Day to try
b) you're a wolf after some odd laziness by your real seer and then as a wolf you win

On the second one: Lottie was an ordinary innocent and I am an ordinary innocent. I do trust what the mod writes in the roles department after the narrations and the PM's he sends me concerning my role - so I tend to say I know it.

Also I know you don't know it. But I only said I know it.

Well I don't know it because there still could be an ordo/ordo pairing, which wouldn't completely surprise me. I just find it interesting that there were specifically enough roles (i.e. wolf, gifted) for half of the village to have one. It seems too neat for me. Or am I overanalzying?


Anyway I need to take care of a few things then I'll finish Lari.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Well I don't know it because there still could be an ordo/ordo pairing, which wouldn't completely surprise me. I just find it interesting that there were specifically enough roles (i.e. wolf, gifted) for half of the village to have one. It seems too neat for me. Or am I overanalzying?

That's how I'm thinking it too. That way everyone either has a role or is Lovers with someone who does. It just seems the most likely to me.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

That's how I'm thinking it too. That way everyone either has a role or is Lovers with someone who does. It just seems the most likely to me.

Alona, what do you think about this?

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Alona, what do you think about this?

Her comment makes sense, I guess, after my post about the lovers and her post, too.

This was what I originally posted:

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/innocent (yeah, I know, no hard proof yet)
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Dun/Lari - unknown/unknownprobablyinnocent

If there are ordo-ordo pairings, then they would have to either be Shasta/me, Rikae/Izzy, Nog/Lottie or Dun/Lari...which is way more confusing to think about than if we narrow it down. I think it makes the game the most fair though, giving each ordo a gifted or lupine lover. It evens things out the most, which is what Gwath would want, I assume.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Her comment makes sense, I guess, after my post about the lovers and her post, too.

This was what I originally posted:

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/innocent (yeah, I know, no hard proof yet)
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Dun/Lari - unknown/unknownprobablyinnocent

If there are ordo-ordo pairings, then they would have to either be Shasta/me, Rikae/Izzy, Nog/Lottie or Dun/Lari...which is way more confusing to think about than if we narrow it down. I think it makes the game the most fair though, giving each ordo a gifted or lupine lover. It evens things out the most, which is what Gwath would want, I assume.

Me too, and I have some pretty compelling arguments about the situation working out like that. (Also, good point about the initial two extra lovers, Wilwa.) In fact, Nog's the bit that's confusing me. *grumbles* Blah. I need to think.


I wish Gwath was around more often to answer questions. Meh.

[wilwarin538]

Then if we go off of that it makes Nog a likely Wolf, since he "probably" isn't an ord, and since Sally has called the Ranger a "she", so he can't be gifted.

Then whoever is paired with the Ranger is an ord, I already know I am. So the last two wolves would have to be either Izzy or among the pairs of Dun/Lari and Shasta/Alona. And I'm assuming Sally's dreamt of atleast one of them.

Sally, your mystery dream is driving me nuts with curiosity, but I'm being patient cause I trust your judgement.

x'ed with a couple

[wilwarin538]

Plus plus plus, in the admin thread Gwath wanted either 12 or 14 players, and he wanted a traditional lover role. I bet he got rid of that because we ended up with 12, if there had been 14 those last 2 ords not paired with a gifted or a wolf would have become the traditional Lovers.

It just makes more sense to me this way. I'm not saying I'm definitely right and that we shouldn't consider other combinations, I just think this is more likely, from a Mod's point of view.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

That's how I'm thinking it too. That way everyone either has a role or is Lovers with someone who does. It just seems the most likely to me.

That's what I though initially as well. And now as we talk about this, that was one of the reasons I suspected Lottie as she didn't look like a gifted - so I thought she could be a wolf then.

My dilemma right now is that I need to go to sleep like asap. and actually my guts say I should vote Izzy for her defence of me from Sally's "analysis" - instead of you guys who are planning to lynch me and letting the wolves win... Gah!

I mean look at this:

Originally Posted by Izzy

While I was reading Sally's rundown of Nog, sorry - but I couldn't help but laugh a little. It just seems so fabricated, and.. over the top flimsy to me. Hindsight tends to be 20/20... but condemning someone with it, is just... o.O

Why would an ordo say something like that? Or look at the detached tone of it... A wolf might wish to ease up any possible further suspicion by me (maybe some analysis I might do?) by showing that kind of understanding and good will to make me feel nice with her. (And sorry Izzy if you're innocent - with these suicidal guys you'd then be the only voice of reason here.)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That's what I though initially as well. And now as we talk about this, that was one of the reasons I suspected Lottie as she didn't look like a gifted - so I thought she could be a wolf then.

My dilemma right now is that I need to go to sleep like asap. and actually my guts say I should vote Izzy for her defence of me from Sally's "analysis" - instead of you guys who are planning to lynch me and letting the wolves win... Gah!

I mean look at this: Why would an ordo say something like that? Or look at the detached tone of it... A wolf might wish to ease up any possible further suspicion by me (maybe some analysis I might do?) by showing that kind of understanding and good will to make me feel nice with her. (And sorry Izzy if you're innocent - with these suicidal guys you'd then be the only voice of reason here.)

Nog, Izzy isn't the ranger, so if you need to go to bed she's a safe vote.

[Nogrod]

Sally. If you're the seer (which I hope you are - it's just your act that doesn't make you look like one), please reconsider what you've been doing the last hour or so. And I'm not talking about you suspecting me. I'm not going to say more. You should understand.


I don't know.

It's easy to see hybris (hubris in American) has taken Sally and she is blind now. But alona and Wilwa follow so nicely suit.

Of those wilwa is the seasoned one so I'd think she should be able to calm down - or to take advantage. And she is also the one who seems to press on when the going looks good for her.

So it will be wilwa or Izzy for me. Probably wilwa.

I'll think about it for a moment.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sally. If you're the seer (which I hope you are - it's just your act that doesn't make you look like one), please reconsider what you've been doing the last hour or so. And I'm not talking about you suspecting me. I'm not going to say more. You should understand.


I don't know.

It's easy to see hybris (hubris in American) has taken Sally and she is blind now. But alona and Wilwa follow so nicely suit.

Of those wilwa is the seasoned one so I'd think she should be able to calm down - or to take advantage. And she is also the one who seems to press on when the going looks good for her.

So it will be wilwa or Izzy for me. Probably wilwa.

I'll think about it for a moment.

Ahhhh. Okay, that's what I assumed you meant and it was a different spelling.
(Also, of course I'm the seer, you silly thing. I said I was and there'd be no reason for me to lie about it unless I was protecting the real seer. Which I'm not.)

And I do understand. The problem is that you don't understand what I'm truly doing, or at least I don't think you do. Not that I'm saying you don't know what's going on, but....well, you know how much I like to enjoy myself.


If my opinion matters, I'd prefer Izzy. I think Wilwa's probably innocent.