WWLXXI: Something in the Night

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

And if you die, this would be so incredibly helpful to the village.

Where does it say that in the admin thread? Stop making up rules. Just because it seems nice and romantic doesn't mean it's good WW. Plus, if this were true it would be bad form for gifteds to reveal, too.


Unless I missed something, these wolves, like most wolves, know each other's roles anyway... so a lover going "ooh, I'm a wolf, are you one too?" isn't going to accomplish much.

Oh, but I like things to be nice and romantic, plus no one ever can quote pms. Isn't that one of the basic foundation rules of WW? Unless Gwath says he's changing that, I'm assuming we can't use pm reasoning, because it would be basically meta.

And how does that link to gifteds??

[Rikae]

You don't need to quote PMs to reveal things. Gifteds reveal their roles without posting their role PMs from the mod, after all! This doesn't mean you can't say "I know so-and-so is such-and-such because xe is my lover and told me". Any more than "I know xe is such-and-such because I'm the seer and dreamt of xem". Yes, either way, we don't know whether the person is telling the truth, but if they aren't, they'll be caught soon enough.

EDIT: X'd with Wilwa, in reply to Loslote.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

You don't need to quote PMs to reveal things. Gifteds reveal their roles without posting their role PMs from the mod, after all! This doesn't mean you can't say "I know so-and-so is such-and-such because xe is my lover and told me". Any more than "I know xe is such-and-such because I'm the seer and dreamt of xem". Yes, either way, we don't know whether the person is telling the truth, but if they aren't, they'll be caught soon enough.

EDIT: X'd with Wilwa, in reply to Loslote.

The quoting pms was the only thing I was talking about. If you think your lover is a wolf, by all means find reasons in their posts to suspect them. Just don't use the argument "they said x to me, therefore they are evil." What they say to you in private should stay there. What they say in public is another matter entirely, and that is fair game.

And what would be the point of faking that you think your lover is a wolf? A fake seer reveal can be faked well and last for a few Days. A fake lover reveal, where you say your lover is a wolf and they aren't, can only last one.

EDIT: xed with Wilwa

[Loslote]

Okay, so unless we start over, I have to vote pretty soon.

I'm not voting Glirdan or Izzy because I've never played with them before. I'm not voting Morsul because I always want to when he's not evil. I'm not voting Shasta because what I've seen so far makes sense. I'm not voting Rikae because she doesn't seem evil, even if we disagree about the pm thing. I'm not voting Lottie 'cause I'm not Nilp.

I'd perfer not to vote for Inzil, Sally, Lari, or Alona.

I might vote for either Nogrod or Wilwa. So far it's just a gut feeling, but I'll look more closely at them.

EDIT: xed with Rikae, Morsul, and Inzil.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Loslote

The quoting pms was the only thing I was talking about. If you think your lover is a wolf, by all means find reasons in their posts to suspect them. Just don't use the argument "they said x to me, therefore they are evil." What they say to you in private should stay there. What they say in public is another matter entirely, and that is fair game.

"Quote", in my understanding of werewolf (after three years of playing), means a direct quote. Mentioning something one learned through PMing, as long as one doesn't quote, is certainly not forbidden. Gifted pairs have done it, lovers have done it... I've absolutely seen a ranger who could PM with a seer say, after the seer's death "he told me X". There is nothing wrong with it.

Originally Posted by Loslote

And what would be the point of faking that you think your lover is a wolf? A fake seer reveal can be faked well and last for a few Days. A fake lover reveal, where you say your lover is a wolf and they aren't, can only last one.

Did I say it would last longer? One day can mean a lot sometimes.

EDIT: X'd with Morsul, Inzil, Loslote.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

"Quote", in my understanding of werewolf (after three years of playing), means a direct quote. Mentioning something one learned through PMing, as long as one doesn't quote, is certainly not forbidden. Gifted pairs have done it, lovers have done it... I've absolutely seen a ranger who could PM with a seer say, after the seer's death "he told me X". There is nothing wrong with it.


Did I say it would last longer? One day can mean a lot sometimes.

EDIT: X'd with Morsul, Inzil, Loslote.

Yes, after their death. Before that there are reasons why they told you one thing and everyone else the other. Personally, I'm too "nice" (as in infuriatingly so, not that anyone else isn't) to consider doing that. Probably this is another occasion of my acting silly, but I still wouldn't. After their death, of course, it's all fine and dandy, they can't be affected by it anymore. But what they pmed was in confidence, trusting that you would treat it that way, and as long as they're alive and could be harmed by it...

Also, you wouldn't get the whole story. Maybe someone pmed "Grr I hate seers" in the context of "I wonder who they'll dream they'd better not dream me because that would be a waste grr I hate seers because they only get one dream per night" (yes, lame example, but you get the point). Just because they say something, if you can't see the whole thing you're bound to make a mistake.

EDIT: xed with Morsul and Glirdan

[Rikae]

*shakes head*

So, Wilwa, either you're a wolf or an ordo protecting a wolf. Knowing the rules before acting on them is each player's responsibility, and we can all PM Gwath if unsure. I can see how you're trying to do the honorable thing (if you're innocent) but there's also a good chance you're making this argument for your lover, or your packmate's lover to follow... I'm not trying to be mean here, but this is my best lead at this point and I really can't stay at the computer longer toDay, so:

++Wilwa

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Loslote

plus no one ever can quote pms. Isn't that one of the basic foundation rules of WW? Unless Gwath says he's changing that, I'm assuming we can't use pm reasoning, because it would be basically meta.

This is true.