WWLXXI: Something in the Night

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hm... good point, Izzy. I've been assuiming anyone could bE PairEd with anyone, but Gwath's original post does say ordos and wolves. Still, it could just be that he didn't spell it out. Gwath?

Having wolves be Lovers with one another would seem to be pointless, since they're already able to communicate! The only way I could see that happening is if Gwath assigned the Lovers completely at random.

x/d with Wilwa

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Having wolves be Lovers with one another would seem to be pointless, since they're already able to communicate! The only way I could see that happening is if Gwath assigned the Lovers completely at random.

Wolves can't communicate during the Day though, Lovers can. So it is possible. 2 Gifteds paired up though I think makes more sense, since they don't as commonly communicate. Could really go either way...

And I double checked, Gwath said in his original post that ordos and wolves may be paired together. So it isn't a guarantee, even though I see it as being the most likely scenario.

Ok, really going to stop now. Be back later for some suspicions.

x'ed with Shasta, who thinks like me (regarding the real Lovers)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Wolves can't communicate during the Day though, Lovers can. So it is possible. 2 Gifteds paired up though I think makes more sense, since they don't as commonly communicate. Could really go either way...

Hadn't thought of that. That raises the idea of two wolves being able to talk privately during the Day; not a good notion. Two Gifteds paired that way would be helpful, though.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Had just realized the/a advantage the wolves could use. Tsk tsk!

I think we have thought of the same thing. So I was not the only one... Let's cross our fingers then... And heh, chew that wolves! (if that speculation is possible in the first place, that is - chew even more of it!)

What comes to this general discussion over the lovers' roles I'd say that those saying it was clear from the start are trying to look better than they are eg. are probably hiding something, as I think it wasn't so clear in the beginning and I don't consider myself the dummiest rule-reader there is on this planet.

It is quite clear now after Gwath's clarification though. And it's good that way.

But we really could talk of other things but just speculate on the roles, really. I need to vote early everyDay as the DL is early morning (well, basically night) to me. I'll take a look back and then vote pretty soon... as odd as it feels to vote at this time of the Day (have I ever been the first to cast a vote?).

[satansaloser2005]

Hey I have to be offline for a while to deal with some personal stuff. Hopefully I'll be back but if not I'll catch up and at least let my lover know my thoughts come Nightfall. Hopefully be back soon.

[Nogrod]

Okay. I went back the thread to see who were the multitude who rushed to say it was clear from the beginning which the rules were and to my surprise I only found Rikae repeating the point multiple times - and Shasta actually just agreeing on the fact that it was clear there could be wolf-innocent lover-pairs... So interesting how fact beats feeling...


But even more interestingly Rikae first says:

Originally Posted by Rikae on #21

I'm a bit confused about the lover roles myself - in fact, I'm going to take another look at the admin thread, since as I understand it the setup seems a bit lopsided in the wolves' favor, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Then on her next post she says:

Originally Posted by Rikae on #22

Just went to the admin thread - so, lover roles don't mean much in game terms, then. That's what I thought, before Nog confused matters above.

And soon she's able to say:

Originally Posted by Rikae on #31

the admin thread indicates these lovers are different...

And finally:

Originally Posted by Rikae on #34

After all, the rules are there in the admin thread for all to see.

So from self-admitted confusion to underlining how the rules are out there loud and clear? It's not something I'd vote for Rikae on Day1 but a reason for caution with her already this early in the game. At least to me the rule was cleared only after Gwath's clarification in the discussion thread a few hours ago and not in the rules themselves when we started.


Anyway.


Now where's Lari?

Also Lottie and Morsul have only posted some banter - and interestingly both have posted lists of suspicions like no one else I think - and on the first hours of the game. Now that might have been for fun, it might have been to encourage discussion (as Lottie actually says explicitly). But I think it is a case to be noticed anyway - at least at this stage of D1.

I think Alonariel, Inzil and Izzy have been openly confused and inquisitive trying to find out things and I'd thus not vote anyone of them toDay as to me they feel the fairest.

I might count Wilwa among them as well, but her post #33 strikes me as something that one could interpret in different ways; the one where she talks of it being unfair against the wolves if the lovers just gave up their mates - like if they knew... or does her lover know she is a wolf? But that would be too clumsy for Wilwa - and as I agree with sportiveness in every role it makes me feel appreciating her general line of thought and thus I would hate to vote for her on that on D1.

What to say about Sally, Glirdy (may I still call you that Glirdan?) and Shasta then?

I'd hate to see Glirdy gone on D1 after he has come back to play after so many years. And actually I think he has been one of the really few who has been making a point on some people (even if an uneducated one concerning me, but anyway) while most others have just concetrated on covering their backs and not making any points on any one person in particular.

Shasta seems to end up being my usual suspect and thus I'm very reluctant to vote him just because I'm having suspicions; I could be wrong once again. Not that he has contributed a lot - but neither have most others.

Sally then is like her playful self which might indicate innocence... but what she says in here makes me a bit worried because of the insight it seems to bear with it:

Originally Posted by Sally on #29

This lover discussion could get out of hand pretty quickly. My theory is that you want your lover to live and they give you extra insight, but if you're on the opposite side from your lover you might be in deep trouble, so it's smart to be careful what you say. The lovers are just for PMing purposes and to make the game a bit more fun. At least that's my opinion.

Like it was something she had actually needed to mull over for a while? Not that I'd say Sally wouldn't be able to think that as an ordo but as that has been the only "serious" thing she has said apart from general banter and fun... well that makes me think. So is that too close for her?


Okay. Needs to think for a moment and then vote. (and read the latest meanwhile)

[Nogrod]

Excuse me Rikae. That latter quote you made inferences on wolfdom was me, not Inzil... Feel free to change your target.

EDIT: heh, I saw you had edited your post already... *Tells self: "Dont be hasty, read everything first..."*

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also Lottie and Morsul have only posted some banter - and interestingly both have posted lists of suspicions like no one else I think - and on the first hours of the game. Now that might have been for fun, it might have been to encourage discussion (as Lottie actually says explicitly). But I think it is a case to be noticed anyway - at least at this stage of D1.

Okay. Needs to think for a moment and then vote. (and read the latest meanwhile)

reread my list let me quote the bottom bit;

This list is not a guilty/not guilty list merely what I'm expecting to see...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Inzil

Hadn't thought of that. That raises the idea of two wolves being able to talk privately during the Day; not a good notion. Two Gifteds paired that way would be helpful, though.

I don't really like this post. It has a whiff of "look at me, I'm rooting for the right side (and otherwise completely stating the obvious)" about it.

Nor do I like this, for that matter:

Originally Posted by Inzil

What comes to this general discussion over the lovers' roles I'd say that those saying it was clear from the start are trying to look better than they are eg. are probably hiding something, as I think it wasn't so clear in the beginning and I don't consider myself the dummiest rule-reader there is on this planet.

That "those" would be me, and I don't know what sort of "good" I would be making myself look, except as a savvy reader of admin threads (though easily confused by Noggins). A wolf can read them as well as an innocent can, after all, so I'm certainly not saying it to make myself look good=innocent.
Explaination: I read the thread a while ago and vaguely remembered it, and then Nog came along with his crazy talk and I was all like "whoa" and Wilwa was all "whoa" and then Gwath was like "DUDE" and then I was all like "duh".
(Quotes are paraphrased)

Conclusion regarding Inzil:
...stare...
...stare...
...stare...

WOLF!

Well, maybe.

EDIT: Oh jeez - I just quoted Nog as Inzil! Ok... Inzil is only half a wolf now. What do you want... you both have white icons with a dark picture in the center, and I have 20/200 vision...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A note - even if two gifted ARE paired up, it doesn't follow that they're going to know each other's identities, so don't bank on that, people.

[Isabellkya]

I had inferred that only ordos could be paired with wolves; because all it said was that ordos may be paired with wolves. It didn't say anything in relation to gifteds being paired with wolves.

If we had arrived at the same conclusion, holy crap is what came to my mind when I realized it. But I don't believe that conclusion to be correct... anymore - thank goodness!

I think in regards to lovers - treat them as another player, just that.
Trust is a luxury in these games, and it isn't given implicitly; even with role reveals. So to go above a step in this situation could prove to be folly.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I don't really like this post. It has a whiff of "look at me, I'm rooting for the right side (and otherwise completely stating the obvious)" about it.

Come on, it wasn't that obvious. Speaking of 'obvious', I hope you don't really think I'd be that careless, do you? Aren't you reaching a bit? I really don't want to suspect you this early, though. You and I always seem to react to one another the same way (like someone else I think you know) and I don't want to make the mistake of getting tunnel-vision where you're concerned.

And Nog and I aren't really that similar, are we?

x/d with His Nogginess himself

[Rikae]

Nog -
from the first post of the admin thread:

Originally Posted by Gwathamod

Lovers: All players will have a lover counterpart with whom they can correspond via PM at all times. Ordos and wolves may be paired up. Unlike normal lovers, the lovers in this game will be able to survive if their counterpart is killed.

I guess you'll have to take it on faith that I read that before signing up, and that I thought that was the case before becoming confused by you. Yes, I actually said "as I thought" without having expressed the thought previously in the thread... clearly a wolf slip, better lynch me.

EDIT: Added bolding in quote (bolding mine, of course).

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I had inferred that only ordos could be paired with wolves; because all it said was that ordos may be paired with wolves. It didn't say anything in relation to gifteds being paired with wolves.

This makes sense.

Has everyone posted? I feel like everyone has.

So I am sitting on my usual Day 1 dilema of not having any suspicions of anyone. Because everyone to me is acting the way they would normally act. This is very frustrating.

Like, I think it's even possible that some people came into Day 1 thinking that their role as Lover took precedence over their role as whatever else (I did, because that's what I thought Lovers were supposed to be like) and are then told that that is not actually the case. Now that could potentially change how some people play. So basically everything said before Gwath clarified the lover roles I'm not taking as strongly, atleast not regarding suspiciousness, because at that time some people could have been focused on their Lover role, and are now focused on their actual role like they should be from now on, which could potentially have changed how they play. I know this probably doesn't apply to everyone, but just incase it is I'm keeping it in mind to avoid my own confusion. Am I making any sense at all?

Wow, I'm just thinking myself in circles now with all these hypotheticals, whenever there's some new dynamic I get crazy about every angle of the game. brain hurts....

gah, I'm supposed to be thinking about who looks suspicious...be back in a while

x'ed with Rikae

[Nogrod]

Well then; with D1 standards.


I'm not going to vote:

Izzy & Alonariel feel like concerned people trying to figure out the situation. I feel good about them right now.

Inzil dropped a bit farther away from that company because of his latest post which looks a bit over-reactive. But anyway, looking at his contributions toDay - and the possibility he's arguing with a wolf-Rikae - I'd say I'd not like to lose him on D1 for that.

If I was voting like an hour before the DL or later I would be more than happy to vote for Lari as she hasn't posted a single post. But as there are like four hours left (?) I think it would be unfair to vote for her and not giving her a chance to post - looking at the timezones and all that stuff... But that means D1 only. Being sloppy in the future she would easily gain my vote before the going gets tough as then we can not afford any blind trials. It is in these first stages we can afford them if we ever can.

I will not vote for Glirdy (long time no see & actually trying to make a point on someone and not just babble about generalities) or Shasta (I'd hate to vote him again and be wrong).


Less easy with:

Wilwa: her thoughts on the unfairness of the situation on behalf of the wolves trouble me a bit, but I could see myself thinking along the same lines. So how hypocritical could one become voting for someone because of thinking like you do yourself? So probably not. She has been contributing a host of ideas and that's what we need here anyway.

Rikae: Her protests notwithstanding - or probably because of them - I do actually suspect her somewhat (and not so much on the issue, mind you Rikae, but on the way you first acted like you were confused and then suddenly turned to be the prime champion of the rules' self-evidency; four times already, five... isn't that a bit overdoing it? Now why do you do it? I see no reason an innocdnt might do that). But I'm afraid a bandwagon on an innocent Rikae on D1 would be the jackpot the wolves would love so dearly. So probably not, toDay. She needs to be looked closely (hint-hint). She can be a real asset when the going gets tough if innocent.

Of Lottie and Morsul it's hard to say. Thay have actually behaved in a lot of similar ways - and neither has shown themselves after the very first hours. It might be timezones once again and I'm quite insecure with voting them as especially Morsul seems to be the "usual suspect" - although he tends to slip as a wolf just because of that. Possible candidates, though.

Sally then... Well I think it weird the only serious thought she gives is to the issue of oneself being in deep trouble with the lover being on the opposite team... After all that speculation that might have been just a bit too honest a thought - as you didn't care to ponder on any other "serious issues" before or after that?


So I'm inclined to vote for Sally but I'll take a pause for a cigarette and read anything that has come in meanwhile before voting.