WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Shastanis Althreduin]

*sighs*

One more time, Boro, and let's see if I can't get it through that delightfully thick skull of yours - I did not jump on Morsul for his comment about votes. I jumped on him for using far too many ellipsi and qualifiers in his paragraph. So there, nyah, .

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

*sighs*

One more time, Boro, and let's see if I can't get it through that delightfully thick skull of yours - I did not jump on Morsul for his comment about votes. I jumped on him for using far too many ellipsi and qualifiers in his paragraph. So there, nyah, .

Well I fail at thoroughly reading everything, so it's highly possible I missed you saying that earlier. Most of the time, to be honest, I find myself scrolling through the page looking for a bolded "Boro" and then respond or not. I don't do the serious analysis until after the fact, when I have the time to actually go through it all.

[Morsul the Dark]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who when in a rush looks only for my name

[Mnemosyne]

Morsul, when exactly did I put suspicion on you?

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Morsul, when exactly did I put suspicion on you?

Hmm You know what thank you for asking that question made me rethink what was said I'll Downgrade you from one of the top suspects to suspicious...

Mnem:On the other hand, Morsul is irritatingly confusing and often confused. Which he is (for me, at least) elsewhere on the thread. Voting him would be easy, especially considering his vote for Mac.

But it's always easy to vote for someone who you think voted weird. I didn't vote for you because 1). you were pretty yourself, as far as I could tell (which my vibes yesterday were saying were off for Inzil and Pitch... analysis of both hopefully coming up in an hour or two), and 2). to me it felt like doing so would be a copout. I don't like making "easy" votes in Werewolf, unless the Seer has come out and told me who a wolf is.

Now I feel I may have put too much stock in these few phrases... However since you asked these were what I was talking about

[Macalaure]

Thoughts on Roa.

Before I even start, I'll let you know that I will ignore everything Nogrod said, for brevity's sake. It's been talked about enough anyway. My opinion about it is that both a good and an evil Nog could have launched that attack, and it's unlikely to change. Same for her altercation with Boro. I'm mostly looking for the things that might have gone unnoticed.

It's a pity that Roa got entirely sidetracked by those two. No opinions on anyone else at all.

Unless I overlooked something, the only one to give the counting-theory any merit outside of Nogrod is Eomer.
Nerwen went side to side with her for a long time, and it doesn't look like a wolf buddying up to an innocent.
Pitch, Lommy didn't want to lynch her early on. Pitch stays like that, while Lommy changes her mind and thought that she and Nogrod could both be wolves, or at least one of them.
Mnemo defends Nogrod from Roa's cobbler theory.
Eomer explains Nogrod's accusations to Roa. He gives himself a neutral expression.
Brinn votes Nerwen for joining Roa too quickly. Not necessarily a move a wolf knowing about Roa's innocence would do.
Mnemo won't vote Roa, neither will Eomer.
Green doesn't understand Roa. Gives her the longest comment in her suspicion summary. Looks like she really was confused about her and tried to figure her out.
Inzil and especially Shasta are most adamant at defending Roa from Nogrod.
Nienna thinks she's innocent.
Bes suspects both her and Nogrod.
Sally votes Roa.

Alright, these are a whole lot of half-hearted comments that could go either way.
Mnemo's defending Nogrod is slightly suspicious if Nogrod is evil.
Not sure how to interpret Eomer's neutrality.
Nerwen and Brinn look better. So do Green, Inzil, and Shasta to a lesser extent, and Pitch to an even lesser extent, although they could have faked it. I might throw Bes in there, too. Their behaviour around Roa looked more innocent than guilty.
Lommy is too hesitant with her Roa-Nogrod thing.
The rest could really go either way.

[Boromir88]

The fact that Boro was one of them and apparently tried to discourage me from checking actually makes me feel somewhat better about him– because I don't think Borowolf would do anything as silly as that.~Nerwen

I should explain that I think there is merit in looking at the only piece of concrete info we have.

At that time, I thought you were over-hyping the amount of people who jumped on with Nog's full frontal assault. Plus, since at that time you just left it at "we should go look at this" I was thinking a wolf-Nerwen was trying to give us a red herring. Since you have further anaylzed it though, I'll just add my 2 cents.

I had already admitted to pointing out Roa's mistake, and acknowledging what Nog was talking about. That's why I gave it so much consideration. But you should also realize that after confirming to Nog that I knew what he was talking about, I directly told him that it was weak and I was in no way going to vote for Roa based on a numbers slip.

We can't blame Nog or anyone else for pointing it out, and thinking it was intentional. I mean first, anyone who knew the correct number would have noticed it, and especially in Nienna's first post she said "4 wolves" too.

Neither of them pursued this, though. I had an impression that people jumped on the "case" much more than they actually did, I think because Nogrod was making so much noise about it.

But I still think that Eomer's looks evil, he agreed with Nog that it was intentional, but left it at that.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oh really? Somehow I think my tell is not the tell you think it is. And if you're planning to lynch me just to find out that I'm a goodie I don't think I like your reasoning. I'd personally rather save people that are probably innocent in my eyes than lynch them just to see what they are. Or maybe I'm crazy and that's how the New Werewolf is played. Heck if I know. (Of course I'm mostly teasing here because I don't expect him to campaign to kill me at this stage, but if he does make up a big case against me later with little cause I'll be quite concerned.)

I didn't say I was planning to lynch you, and neither did I say you had to be lynched for me to notice the sign. I said you had to be in danger of getting lynched, and if this happens, than I will be your knight in shining armor any day. However, since you are not in danger of getting lynched, this tell hasn't happened yet, therefor you're still in the limbo phase of "I don't know."

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Glad to see I'm not the only one who when in a rush looks only for my name

I would bow down to anyone and admit their awesomeness if they say they have the time to read everything (on that day) + post + vote.

To wilwa: I've been searching for a new rivalry since Menel's departure. If you want to start re-hashing old fights, bring it, because you know the score so far is Wild Eye 1 - Dark Monarch = Zero

All I have on Lommy right now is to say her Boro-radar is still in perfect working condition. But, I'm surprised you're really not being so flippy-floppy, have I really become that predictable to you or are you a more confident wolf?

[Nogrod]

OMG... I just got to page 8 thinking there would be only a few posts and that I could then join in... but a whole page more!!!

So it will take some time as I'm a slow reader...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Or Sally has hacked into Mnemo's account and is busy having a conversation with herself.

Seriously– Mnemo has seemed quite unlike herself toDay, and I was just thinking, "Now who does she remind me of... oh, I know... SALLY!"

EDIT:X'd with Sally (or possibly Mnemosally).

Sally: Mnemo, would you like to hatch a plan?
Mnemo: Absolutely. What plan?
Sally: *smothers Mnemo, takes her laptop and talks to herself*
Mnemo: *muffled* That's not what I had in mind.

Or we could be the gifteds and we planned this out last Night.

OR we're just fun like that.

Your choice.

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Morsul, Sally operates under a completely different set of rules from the rest of us (and besides, I actually know her), so I always read her under different standards.

Inziladun, the coin toss itself weren't political, but the fact that I'd narrowed it down to you and Pitch certainly was because I wanted to vote someone (on top of all the vibishness) who could compete with Nog and Roa.

Nerwen, should I take my sudden Sallyosity as a compliment or an insult?

In order: Exactly. Fair enough, but not happy with it. Oi!


Here and have caught up *pets Nog* but need a nap so I'll be back soon-ish.

[Boromir88]

Eomer-lysis since I haven't considered any concrete thoughts about him at all yet, and he is someone who shouldn't let slip. I could say that same for Mnemo, haven't put much thought towards her since the very beginning of Day 1, but Eomer has the fewer posts and I have to leave soon. Sorry, Mnemo, you'll have to be postponed to another day.

Eomer:
#75 defends me and tells Nerwen sometimes stating the obvious is necessary. Tells Nog he thought Roa's slip was intentional, he's not sure what it tells him, and after this I don't think he says anything else on it. Thinks Mac is tricky, Morsul is too slippery, and doesn't like Bes's post towards me.
#105 says Roa and Nog could very well both be innocents stoking the flames for reaction or too stubborn to see they're both wrong. He plays mediator and says he won't concentrate on those two anymore.
#113 responds and disagrees with Roa, about part of Nog's reasons being her argument with me.
#119, thinks Inzil's first list was pointless since most of the discussion prior was in character. Says trom was only in character. Disagrees with Mac about whether I would have dropped the point sooner or not as a wolf. Says Lommy's list is just a big block of text and Morsul's suspicion/vote for Mac was "interesting."
#121 agrees with Roa that it was odd for Nog to say his case on her involved me.
#123 jests with Greenie and says he's gone most of the day not arguing with Lommy.
#129 says Mnemo's referenced three times she believes Nog and Roa are innocent
#133 lists of who he won't vote for and who he might.
#144 vote tally
#146 votes Mnemo for shadiness and not wanting to add another name to the vote-getters. Says he's gambling, so "no hard feelings" to Mnemo.
His other 2 posts are jests with Shasta.

Several posts where Eomer looks pretty light-hearted and relaxed, but I've come to see him as that type of player, but I also think he's a rather strong, and very aggressive wolf-hunter. He definitely gets into your face, and so far I haven't been seeing that. Possibly, because it's early on, but I'm not familiar with an Eomer who cares how "soon" it is before he starts getting after suspected wolves.

Most of my suspicions are on the fact that he's not following through, or committing much towards anything. He directly points out noticing what Nog did, but leaves it as feeling neutral. He says Roa and Nog are both probably innocent, tries to mediate, but then suspects Mnemo for saying she believes they are both innocent. Granted, he's got a point about the number of times she mentioned it is strange, but even his vote looks forced.

What I mean is in #133 he has his list of who could get his vote, that's at 8:05. This list includes Inzil, Mnemo, Pitch, Brinn, Mac, Lommy, and Nerwen, then in #146 (8:33 - roughly half an hour later) he votes Mnemo and says he's gambling with it. Not a lot of time elapsed between those 2 posts, and since Eomer hasn't given us much conviction towards anyone, the vote just looks like it was cast for whoever.

The other suspicious thing is in #144 he gives a vote tally, there was one vote each for Mac, Nog, Inzil, Nerwen, and Mnemo, then in #146 he says a reason for Mnemo:

There are a number of shady characters around here, and I don't want to add a new person to the voting list.

The problem is the other 4 people with 1-vote were all on Eomer's possible voting list in #133...so why say that about your vote for Mnemo?

[Brinniel]

I have to go to class in about 10 minutes, so I'm voting now. And since no better candidates have come forward:

++Loslote

No, she has not been back to explain her vote, and she probably won't return toDay. But even if she does return, I have doubts there will be much explaining considering in the posts before her vote she kept saying she suspects Lommy, but doesn't have a reason for it. She'd probably call it a gut feeling or something like that, but at this point we're beyond gut feelings and unreasoned suspicion. With eight pages of posts, surely everyone should have at least some reason to suspect somebody. With perhaps the exception of those majorly lacking in time. Which I don't think is the case with Loslote, because then I don't think she would've even bothered to summarise Lommy's post. I still don't understand why that summary is even there, if there is no conclusion made from it...or if there is, she's not sharing it which is silly since the conclusion is more important than the summary itself.

If I had time, I'd respond to Sally's analysis of me since I find some points rather flawed, but unfortunately I really must go, so it'll have to wait until toMorrow. Btw dear, while Sally can be rhymed with, Stan is such a better name for rhyming. For example, if you were named Stan, I could write a poem about Stan and the Saucepan Man. So there.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I would bow down to anyone and admit their awesomeness if they say they have the time to read everything (on that day) + post + vote.

Expecting a bow now...

I did it!

Hmph, then I have to think...

[Pitchwife]

Back and reading.

[Morsul the Dark]

Nerwen Why must you be so darn reasonable

I'm looking back over her posts and her vote for Mnem seems logical but.... She's so hard to read... Also doesn't help I always feel sweet talked by her...

Hmm... Mac seems too polite and doesn't fight back enough for me to call wolf Today...

Mnem and Sally are at this particular point most bothersome but Sally's just being Sally it seems Mnem on the other hand holds different people to different standards but seems not so much wolfish as a new playmate for Sally...

Shasta- Still waiting on your rational for voting Inzil I looked over your posts didn't find Anything about him.

Shasta's a top contender... unless I see something else I know where my votes going.

[Nogrod]

Well just two general comments first...

Looking at the number of grammatical hair-splitting one would think this is a cruise for humanists and not biologists.

There was an odd amount of voting yesterDay where people suspected two others and then decided to vote for the one they suspected less by arguments...


Mac: I'm not suspecting you that heavily (I think you were only the fourth on my list). But your seeming need to defend yourself all the time looks a bit eyebrow-raising as I don't think you're the number one candidate to be lynched toDay anyway.

Originally Posted by Mac

Careful not to suspect too many?

Well, yes... or what do you say of this?

Originally Posted by Mac

Too many people look innocent to me right now. I don't want to vote Boro, Eomer, Lottie, Roa, Bes, Shasta, Greenie, and trom, and I would like to avoid voting Mnemo, Morsul, Brinn, Pitch, Nienna, and Nerwen.

Sally and Wilwa aren't newbies to me, but apart from those, they are the two who haven't provided much. Don't like voting them for that, of course, but I would rather do that than vote any of the above.

That's only 16/19...

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Well I fail at thoroughly reading everything, so it's highly possible I missed you saying that earlier. Most of the time, to be honest, I find myself scrolling through the page looking for a bolded "Boro" and then respond or not. I don't do the serious analysis until after the fact, when I have the time to actually go through it all.

That also means if someone seriously thinks I need to see something, best just throw in a bolded "Boro" somewhere, then I will see it for sure. If not, there will be no guarantess that I'll see it, and I likely won't get to reading it until the following Day.