Tol-in-Gaurhoth Threefold and Six: The Night Guard - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nienna · 09-11-2009, 02:55 PM

We can't afford to split up the vote so keep that in mind.

Nienna · 09-11-2009, 03:00 PM

McCaber?? Are you still around? Who do you find suspicious?

satansaloser2005 · 09-11-2009, 03:04 PM

Players:
Sally
Brinn
Nienna
Boro
Nilp
Greenie
Cabbie
Pitchie

Wolf pack #1: Greenie, Nilp, Pitchie
Wolf pack #2: Greenie, Nilp, Boro
Wolf pack #3: Greenie, Pitchie, Boro
Wolf pack #4: Greenie, Brinn, Nilp

Wolf pack #5: Greenie, Boro, Nienna

Wolf pack #6: Brinn, Pitchie, Boro

Wolf pack #7: Boro, Nilp, Pitchie
Wolf pack #8: Nilp, Nienna, Brinn
Wolf pack #9: Pitchie, Brinn, Nienna
Wolf pack #10: Pitchie, Brinn, Nilp

So....I guess my top suspects are Greenie, Pitch, and Nilp, more or less in that order. (And I know, it's not clear how I came to that conclusion based on the above list but it kind of makes sense in my head so meh.)

EDIT: x'd with Nienna

satansaloser2005 · 09-11-2009, 03:06 PM

++Greenie

Sorry, but I really have to leave. Wish I could discuss but there's simply not time. I'd recommend (obviously) a Greenie lynch or possibly a Pitch lynch. Either is fine with me, since I think they both have an equal chance of being a wolf.

*dashes off*

Boromir88 · 09-11-2009, 03:10 PM

The only thing I'm banging my head over repeatedly is, despite our best chances ever to get a wolf now than any other day...with wolves so close to winning there is no doubt 1, if not 2, trying to steer our choice to an innocent.

It appears that's what McCaber was going to be set up for today, but to our fortune (or I guess mis-fortune now, at least we can defend him another night) our Ranger is revealed. But if I have this correct, if we guard McCaber, he will not be able to protect anyone, correct?

It still would be better to guard him, that way there is a known innocent the next day, at least I'm assuming now he is who he says he is as now everyone has seen the reveal and no one's countered.

Edit: crossed with Nilp, who wonders the same thing, and I agree.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-11-2009, 03:06 PM

Doing an analysis of my main suspect Sally--so many posts, so little content--when I realised this.

What do we do with McCaber? Do we Night Guard him, keep him alive for one more DAY, but keep him from protecting someone? Or not, and let him twist in the wind? Obviously it would be better to protect him if we do get a Werewolf lynched toDAY (try to get the remaining baddies kill an unknown instead), but we'll have no forewarning whether the one winning the vote is Werewolf or not . . . So we need to decide this now-ish.

satansaloser2005 · 09-11-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Doing an analysis of my main suspect Sally--so many posts, so little content--when I realised this.

What do we do with McCaber? Do we Night Guard him, keep him alive for one more DAY, but keep him from protecting someone? Or not, and let him twist in the wind? Obviously it would be better to protect him if we do get a Werewolf lynched toDAY (try to get the remaining baddies kill an unknown instead), but we'll have no forewarning whether the one winning the vote is Werewolf or not . . . So we need to decide this now-ish.

Oh bugger, I'd forgotten about that.

McCaber · 09-11-2009, 03:10 PM

I almost don't want to be guarded. I've been doing a terrible job of analysis, and I think giving the village one day (or possibly two, if the wolves are tricksey like that) to sort things out would be the best.

And it seems that Greenie has been chosen. Let's hope she shows fur at nightfall.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-11-2009, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCaber

I almost don't want to be guarded. I've been doing a terrible job of analysis, and I think giving the village one day (or possibly two, if the wolves are tricksey like that) to sort things out would be the best.

And it seems that Greenie has been chosen. Let's hope she shows fur at nightfall.

However, you are a known innocent. It would be nice to have one less to suspect in the village, especially in this one.

McCaber · 09-11-2009, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

However, you are a known innocent. It would be nice to have one less to suspect in the village, especially in this one.

That's a fair point.

Nienna · 09-11-2009, 03:12 PM

He's allowed to save himself so I'd say we should let him save himself and then pick someone to guard... that way there is a possibility, even if it is small, of the wolves being robbed of their kill.

Edit: wow... x-ed with a host

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-11-2009, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nienna

He's allowed to save himself so I'd say we should let him save himself and then pick someone to guard... that way there is a possibility, even if it is small, of the wolves being robbed of their kill.

Edit: wow... x-ed with a host

Oh, really now, Wolf?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

The Ranger: Each Night the Ranger chooses who they want to save from being killed by the Werewolves. The Ranger cannot save themselves or the same person twice in a row.

Nienna · 09-11-2009, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Oh, really now, Wolf?

No. McCaber can save himself. Then we will have a known innocent. We can also save someone who we all are seeming to trust giving us TWO people we trust and taking away a KILL from the wolves. All in all it is solid and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably a wolf.

McCaber · 09-11-2009, 03:26 PM

I'm nearly positive I can't save myself. Unless something has changed since the admin thread said "No," that is.

McCaber · 09-11-2009, 03:28 PM

Now that I look at it, just from a tactics standpoint it makes sense for a wolf to vote early and try to sucker someone else into voting the same way. And to do so twice on the same day moves sally pretty near the top of my suspect list.

Brinniel · 09-11-2009, 03:27 PM

McCaber can't fend for himself toNight:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilwa

Can the Ranger protect himself???

And what if a wolf is guarded by the village, the Hunter chooses that wolf, and then the Hunter dies? Does that wolf still go down with the Hunter or no?

No and no.

A Little Green · 09-11-2009, 03:27 PM

This may sound like retaliation but I'm really suspicious of Nienna. Her role in yesterDay's bandwagon as well as her arguments toDay just stink of wolf. Pitchwife too, to some extent, according to my logic. I'd be ready to lynch either because I'm quite positive they are two of our three wolves. What do you others think? Who to lynch?

EDIT: x-ed with Brinn, McCaber and Brinn

Nienna · 09-11-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve

The Ranger: Each Night the Ranger chooses who they want to save from being killed by the Werewolves. The Ranger cannot save themselves or the same person twice in a row.

They can't save themselves two nights in a row... this makes me assume they can save themselves at all.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-11-2009, 03:29 PM

I interpreted it literally, without that phrase 'or the same person' partitioned. Because obviously he can't guard himself twice in a row (if he can guard himself at all), cos he's the same person.

I think we need to get a ruling on this, though.

Eönwë, can McCaber Guard himself?

EDIT: inserted '(if he can guard himself at all)'.

Brinniel · 09-11-2009, 03:39 PM

Suspects:

Sally: Look my analysis post of her for reasons.

Nienna: Her latching onto my suspicions of wilwa and pulling for the last minute bandwagon looks really bad. I do want to look at her more, but I'm out of time.

Greenie: A possibility as she has seemed to be playing safe, which is suspicious. She's flown under my radar, but then again she always does that. The only thing is that a bunch of people have suddenly started flying suspicion Greenie's way and are ready to lynch her, and I fear that this could be the start of a bandwagon of an innocent, which would seal our fate.

Pitchwife: Noggie did have good points about him, but I really haven't had time to look at him, and I don't feel I could vote him before taking a look myself. Deadline's only 25 minutes away. Where did the time go?

Eönwë · 09-11-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

I interpreted it literally, without that phrase 'or the same person' partitioned. Because obviously he can't guard himself twice in a row (if he can guard himself at all), cos he's the same person.

I think we need to get a ruling on this, though.

Eönwë, can McCaber Guard himself?

EDIT: inserted '(if he can guard himself at all)'.

No, he cannot guard himself. What you said is correct.

Nienna · 09-11-2009, 03:40 PM

++ McCaber

Boromir88 · 09-11-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nienna

He's allowed to save himself so I'd say we should let him save himself and then pick someone to guard... that way there is a possibility, even if it is small, of the wolves being robbed of their kill.

Edit: wow... x-ed with a host

That he can, checked the admin thread.

In that case, I would feel most comfortable protecting Brinn.

Edit: Nilp, you're not reading the rest of the sentence that you have past the underlining..."The Ranger can not save themselves, or the same person, twice in a row." I take that to mean McCaber can guard himself, just not 2 days in a row...but I would guess McCaber would know that better than the rest of us.

09-11-2009, 03:12 PM	#11
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	He's allowed to save himself so I'd say we should let him save himself and then pick someone to guard... that way there is a possibility, even if it is small, of the wolves being robbed of their kill. Edit: wow... x-ed with a host __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

09-11-2009, 03:26 PM	#14
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	I'm nearly positive I can't save myself. Unless something has changed since the admin thread said "No," that is. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

09-11-2009, 03:28 PM	#15
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	Now that I look at it, just from a tactics standpoint it makes sense for a wolf to vote early and try to sucker someone else into voting the same way. And to do so twice on the same day moves sally pretty near the top of my suspect list. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

09-11-2009, 03:27 PM	#17
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	This may sound like retaliation but I'm really suspicious of Nienna. Her role in yesterDay's bandwagon as well as her arguments toDay just stink of wolf. Pitchwife too, to some extent, according to my logic. I'd be ready to lynch either because I'm quite positive they are two of our three wolves. What do you others think? Who to lynch? EDIT: x-ed with Brinn, McCaber and Brinn __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

09-11-2009, 03:29 PM	#19
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	I interpreted it literally, without that phrase 'or the same person' partitioned. Because obviously he can't guard himself twice in a row (if he can guard himself at all), cos he's the same person. I think we need to get a ruling on this, though. Eönwë, can McCaber Guard himself? EDIT: inserted '(if he can guard himself at all)'. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

09-11-2009, 02:55 PM	#1
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	We can't afford to split up the vote so keep that in mind. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

09-11-2009, 03:00 PM	#2
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	McCaber?? Are you still around? Who do you find suspicious? __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

09-11-2009, 03:04 PM	#3
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Players: Sally Brinn Nienna Boro Nilp Greenie Cabbie Pitchie Wolf pack #1: Greenie, Nilp, Pitchie Wolf pack #2: Greenie, Nilp, Boro Wolf pack #3: Greenie, Pitchie, Boro Wolf pack #4: Greenie, Brinn, Nilp Wolf pack #5: Greenie, Boro, Nienna Wolf pack #6: Brinn, Pitchie, Boro Wolf pack #7: Boro, Nilp, Pitchie Wolf pack #8: Nilp, Nienna, Brinn Wolf pack #9: Pitchie, Brinn, Nienna Wolf pack #10: Pitchie, Brinn, Nilp So....I guess my top suspects are Greenie, Pitch, and Nilp, more or less in that order. (And I know, it's not clear how I came to that conclusion based on the above list but it kind of makes sense in my head so meh.) EDIT: x'd with Nienna __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

09-11-2009, 03:06 PM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	++Greenie Sorry, but I really have to leave. Wish I could discuss but there's simply not time. I'd recommend (obviously) a Greenie lynch or possibly a Pitch lynch. Either is fine with me, since I think they both have an equal chance of being a wolf. dashes off __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

09-11-2009, 03:10 PM	#5
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	The only thing I'm banging my head over repeatedly is, despite our best chances ever to get a wolf now than any other day...with wolves so close to winning there is no doubt 1, if not 2, trying to steer our choice to an innocent. It appears that's what McCaber was going to be set up for today, but to our fortune (or I guess mis-fortune now, at least we can defend him another night) our Ranger is revealed. But if I have this correct, if we guard McCaber, he will not be able to protect anyone, correct? It still would be better to guard him, that way there is a known innocent the next day, at least I'm assuming now he is who he says he is as now everyone has seen the reveal and no one's countered. Edit: crossed with Nilp, who wonders the same thing, and I agree. __________________ Fenris Penguin

09-11-2009, 03:39 PM	#20
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Suspects: Sally: Look my analysis post of her for reasons. Nienna: Her latching onto my suspicions of wilwa and pulling for the last minute bandwagon looks really bad. I do want to look at her more, but I'm out of time. Greenie: A possibility as she has seemed to be playing safe, which is suspicious. She's flown under my radar, but then again she always does that. The only thing is that a bunch of people have suddenly started flying suspicion Greenie's way and are ready to lynch her, and I fear that this could be the start of a bandwagon of an innocent, which would seal our fate. Pitchwife: Noggie did have good points about him, but I really haven't had time to look at him, and I don't feel I could vote him before taking a look myself. Deadline's only 25 minutes away. Where did the time go? __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

09-11-2009, 03:40 PM	#22
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	++ McCaber __________________ Puddle! Puddle!