TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by alonariel

I mean that, if an innocent is killed, are they able to choose the details of their death and leave hints in their death as to the player they think night-killed/lynched them?

No, they're not.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Why would the bear kill Hakon, when (as I pointed out earlier) a few people, myself included, thought he could be the bear? If it was me I'd love to leave someone around who looked suspicious (which is I think why I don't get Night killed most of the time) so attention would be drawn away from myself. So what in the name of Joss Whedon (♥) was the bear thinking? Was it random? Did they, as someone's pointed out recently, think that Hakon had perhaps picked them out? Did they fancy him for the seer?

Inconceivable.

The Seer was lynched yesterDay!

For possible reasons why the bear got Hakon, see my post at #533..

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen, re: my post about Hakon and the bear

The Seer was lynched yesterDay!

Crap. I meant hunter, I think, or maybe ranger. Heck if I know, but I obviously didn't mean seer. Thanks, Nerwen, I knew I messed something up when I typed that, I just couldn't for the life of me remember what it was.


*crashes for good this time hopefully*

[the phantom]

I'm still feeling grumpy and I'm tempted to just go mum the rest of the day and show up at the deadline and attempt to tie the vote no matter who is on the chopping block, just to make Boro use his coin. I think it'd be funny to have a tie every day. Very random.

But no... I can't let myself do that. I ought to at least have a look at the voting and make some guesses. We already know that two of the top suspects were innocent, so what the vote can tell us will be limited.

Alon came under very slight threat halfway through, and so if she's guilty the Pitch voters don't look so good.

Rikae was threatened right at the deadline, so if she is guilty Tum rushing in and retracting her Hakon vote in favor of padding Pitch's lead (effectively saving Rik's skin) looks extremely suspicious.

If Alon and Rikae are both innocent then we basically don't have anything at all, except for the fact that with Hakon safely out front from the beginning the villains would be free to start wagons for different candidates.

That's all for now. I'm supposed to be waking up in a few hours. After all of my tasks are done I will return. Most likely I'll be around for large portions of the final six hours. See ya.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by alonariel

I'm inclined to agree that the bear in this game might be a newbie.

I'm not sure; even an experienced player might have killed him to be on the safe side. Whether Hakon had actually spotted him or not (unlikely, given how early that post was), if the bear bought it, the rest of Hakon's bear-talk might look like an attempt at blackmail– "I know who you are, so help us out or I'll tell". (A very ill-advised attempt, mind you– anyone but a newbie would have known that was suicidal.)

This all just speculation. There are several other reasons why Hakon might have been killed. However, if I'm right about this, it would point to the bear being among the early posters.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Um... okay... Not sure why you would even say that, for a host of reasons.

*frowns and scratches head*

Well, now that's definitely out in the open... thoughts on Mira? I mean, she's hardly a newbie anymore.

EDIT:X'd with tp.

[the phantom]

Okay then... One more post before sleepy time...

Originally Posted by Mira

Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

Originally Posted by Me

Um... okay... Not sure why you would even say that, for a host of reasons.

*frowns and scratches head*

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, now that's definitely out in the open... thoughts on Mira? I mean, she's hardly a newbie anymore.

From my point of view it doesn't look like her comment was an error. She had to have done it on purpose, due to the fact that she appears to be making rules up. I see nothing in the rules about the Seer and Ranger/Hunter PMing. Perhaps it was supposed to be some sort of trap? I dunno... No idea what to think.

[Brinniel]

YOU WILL CURSE THE DAY YOU DID NOT DO, ALL THAT THE PHANTOM ASKED OF YOU.*

But seriously, people. How could you let this happen? Any innocents who voted Pitchwife, or simply contributed towards his lynching, I hope you've given yourselves a good spanking.

After the events of yesterDay and his reaction toDay, I'm almost inclined to trust the phantom. Of course, that probably means he's evil.

Won't say much more tonight, as it is very late. I might post some in the morning and will definitely be around at some point in the evening...and I think I should be here for deadline this time.


*I just saw the show on Broadway last night and when I heard this line sung, I sensed it may become relevant to this game. So of course I just had to mention it.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

From my point of view it doesn't look like her comment was an error. She had to have done it on purpose, due to the fact that she appears to be making rules up. I see nothing in the rules about the Seer and Ranger/Hunter PMing.

No, there's nothing.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Perhaps it was supposed to be some sort of trap?

Wee-elll, last game (which Mira co-modded), Hakon accidentally caused Borowolf to give himself away in just this way... but that was an extraordinary slip on Boro's part; he himself called it "the worst mistake I ever made". Surely she wouldn't think the chance of it working twice in a row outweighed the obvious risk?

[Thinlómien]

I'm here and I've read the first 5 pages and the tally, and I have to be off again to show a 'downish tourist around the city... but I'll be back in the afternoon.

This far I have to admit I'm not impressed - too much banter, silly quarrels and getting the seer and another person killed on Day1? How does that happen anyway? (Just a rhetorical question, I will find out once I read more. )

Well, obviously, you just needed me to be around.

And then one more thing - I shouldn't come back to ww after almost two months of being away because I can't get a hang of the game and I mix up all the new people. (Nessa, autume and Alona keep getting mixed up in my head, although I think I can recognise Nessa 'cos she seems to make more sense than at least half of the old faces. Anyway, no problem, I love playing with new people because I don't know what to expect from them!)

So, play well all ye cuddlefish, see you again soon!

[Nerwen]

I said this earlier:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm not sure; even an experienced player might have killed him to be on the safe side. Whether Hakon had actually spotted him or not (unlikely, given how early that post was), if the bear bought it, the rest of Hakon's bear-talk might look like an attempt at blackmail– "I know who you are, so help us out or I'll tell".

However, having re-read that section, I see that the only living players Hakon could have been referring to are Mira and the phantom. He did in fact claim to suspect both of them– but probably not in a way that would have alarmed the bear, unless said bear was very easily panicked. He starts off suspecting Mira for having been the first to post, then appears to switch after this post:

Originally Posted by the phantom

1) Bear-dude... Please help us kill the villains, for your own good. They can kill you at night or beat you by surviving to the end. They are your most likely roadblock to victory. At night, gun for them.

2) Gifteds, leave decent clues please, so as to prove your identities. Not clues that can be read easily, but coded clues that you can point out after the fact. Yeah, yeah, baddies can fake it, but it at least makes more work for them, and they have to plan it in advance, and if they do so you ought to at least have a claim equal to theirs.

3) I think we should, as a village, agree to set for ourselves an artificial deadline which is 30 minutes before the true one. Last minute voting flurries can be deadly, and we'll feel really foolish if we lynch a gifted right at the end, and if we had only cast our votes sooner that person would've had a chance to prove their identity and divert the lynch. I'm not expecting this idea to be adopted, but I can always dream, can't I?

Originally Posted by Hakon

I agree with all of that. Well people I am off now. I have a new suspect, but not for a wolf.

So it looks as if the phantom was Hakon's new "suspect". It's not clear what Hakon was accusing him of, or on what grounds– since he also agrees with everything phantom says in this post(!); Rikae (#42) apparently saw it as a cobbler-Hakon pointing out a possible gifted-phantom. I've already suggested that the bear may have thought Hakon was the cobbler.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

This far I have to admit I'm not impressed - too much banter, silly quarrels and getting the seer and another person killed on Day1? How does that happen anyway? (Just a rhetorical question, I will find out once I read more. )

Nice to have you back, Lommy!

Just to clear something up: Fea wasn't lynched, she dropped out.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Okay then... One more post before sleepy time...



From my point of view it doesn't look like her comment was an error. She had to have done it on purpose, due to the fact that she appears to be making rules up. I see nothing in the rules about the Seer and Ranger/Hunter PMing. Perhaps it was supposed to be some sort of trap? I dunno... No idea what to think.

Or she was very tired and more stupid than usual when she wrote that she has bashing her head against a wall for the past 12 hours or so. There was a game in the recent past that had the three PMing and I got confused.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Um, what? You aren't making sense - and I apologize if it's a joke, but it looks like you first concluded that I'm probably evil because I interacted a lot with the deceased, which makes no sense at all.

It was a joke.

Mira and Inzil are looking suspicious to me because I get the feeling they're hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon du jour (me) with misleading reasons (Inzil, though he backed off it when pressed) or simply bizarre reasoning which screams "I gotta come up with some suspicion, but anything will do, since everyone dislikes and wants to lynch this person already anyway".

Yeah, I'm easy to lynch because I'm hot-tempered and people don't like me personally. I know that. But I am innocent and would really like a chance to be of use to you people, so please at least consider that possibility.

Dear, I said I would probably retract my vote for you. Unless you do something super suspicious before deadline, chances are you won't be my final vote.

Ok I have to go to work now. Blah. Hopefully I don't have to come back and save myself.