WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Inzil

As I see it, it might also narrow the field enough for the Hunter to be easily picked off during the Night, with a decent chance still of missing a wolf. It might be advisable to hold off another day, when the choices have narrowed a bit. Could be a calculated risk though.

But do we want to risk the chance that we'll vote for Gretel and kill her?

Or what happens if we vote for her, she reveals to save herself, then we recast our votes for someone else and whoops, it's the Hunter! Or it could happen the other way around of course. The fact is, last minute reveals to save your skin can often lead to bad things. We saw what happened when Izzy revealed at the last moment. If she would've come out hours before and said, "I'm the Ranger and I know for a fact Fea is a baddie" we never would've had any of that mess.

Not only does Gretel help us vote today, and help the Hunter choose tonight, but Hansel can be sure to not use his power on her and take her vote away. Don't forget about the votes, people. Hansel and Gretel can add/subtract votes, and the more people we have revealed the better their chances of doing some good with their powers.

And you really think the baddies will take a blind shot at the Hunter with Hansel and Gretel revealed? No, no- their voting power along with their clear innocence is far too great for the baddies to risk leaving them alive on a chance they may hit the Hunter, especially seeing as a successful Hunter pick might lead to them dying as well.

In addition, waiting until tomorrow might allow one of the baddies time to set up a reveal of their own.

And don't forget this point- what if we're well on our way towards lynching a baddie today, and then they say, "No, I'm Gretel" near the deadline and we believe them and spare them? If Gretel would go ahead and step out now then the Baddies would have absolutely NO roles to hide behind. We know Hansel, we would know Gretel, and it's not viable to reveal as the Hunter, for the real Hunter can just challenge the claim and knows exactly who to hunt then AND more likely than that has some way to prove who they are (judging by Mira's talk of a coded message).

Anyway.... that's what I think.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I've got some things to say about tp.

Just a moment.

It's been an hour. Let's have it. What's your angle on me.

[Lariren Shadow]

Oh fine already. It's not like I've been using my power well anyway...I'm Gretel.

First Day I double Mira, the second Kath, the third the phantom, the fourth Mira again, and didn't do it at all yesterDay.

If people are wondering how I chose: simple I was going to see Mira on Day 1 so I decided to double her vote. Same with Kath because, well, I had nothing really better to go on. Third was the phantom because he seemed to be making sense and then the fourth when Mira revealed I figured why not make sure with her vote. And yesterDay I couldn't double the vote of Izzy because that's who I was going to do and I couldn't double Mira and it felt a waste because we all knew that Fea was going to die anyway.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

To be fair, if you're the Robber Bridegroom, there's the unresolved question of how you knew which "Seer" was false (and thus the one to support)... I don't know– it may be you were more on the ball than I was, and picked Fea's slip immediately.

Precisely.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Huh? To the best of my knowledge, there are two ordos (or apparent ordos) left in this village– unless Red Cap has been turned, which isn't public knowledge...

I corrected that mistake 40 minutes ago. I miscounted, due to the fact that LRC is listed in a different place on the role list. So in fact there are two people left who are Ordos or who at least think they are Ordos.

But if that was the very last thing you wrote in your post (it would appear so from the wording, "Finally, what's...."), and I corrected the statement 30 minutes before you posted, why did it take you so long to hit "submit" since you obviously copied and pasted the final quote in your post 30 minutes before you posted? Makes me suspect you've been thinking and pondering and plotting about something or other regarding your wording. Why? I'm tempted to think you are actually starting to believe I'm innocent after all, but since I'm no longer your faithful RB you are wanting to spin things the other direction.

[the phantom]

Thank you, Lari. If no one steps up to challenge then we have two known innocents to rally around.

[McCaber]

phantom, of course it occurred to me that you were an innocent trying to flush out a wolf. But your reveal looked much too scripted to pick it up at face value. So I decided to play it like I saw it, and if you were indeed an innocent hopefully my doubt would cause a wolf to think twice.

I should be back well before DL, so I'm not too worried about it. My thoughts run to Gaurcrist, though. I don't like that singleminded focus when the village needs to consider everyone.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Precisely.

I corrected that mistake 40 minutes ago. I miscounted, due to the fact that LRC is listed in a different place on the role list. So in fact there are two people left who are Ordos or who at least think they are Ordos.

But if that was the very last thing you wrote in your post (it would appear so from the wording, "Finally, what's...."), and I corrected the statement 30 minutes before you posted, why did it take you so long to hit "submit" since you obviously copied and pasted the final quote in your post 30 minutes before you posted?.

The delay was because I was called away to do chores. That's all.

[Nerwen]

I mean, okay, I should have refreshed before posting.

But even if the "remaining ordo" comment is just a mistake and not a wolf-slip, you haven't answered my other points. And there's your "precisely" comment. Are you saying you are the Robber Bridegroom now?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And there's your "precisely" comment. Are you saying you are the Robber Bridegroom now?

No. That "precisely" meant that you were right about me catching Fea's slip immediately, and thus I knew that she was the false Seer.

Anyway, my fear at this point is that people will show up suddenly and vote and not have time to talk at all.

Let's say hypothetically McCaber is the Hunter, and here in a couple hours when several of us are asleep Kath and Gaurcrist come running in and vote for him, and then they leave. Whoops. With them unloading their votes and leaving, he has no chance to save himself with a reveal, even if he can prove precisely who he is.

So people, seriously, let's not have any of that. Everyone try to be around in the final hour and talk about your leanings and such, so that we can have the best possibility of lynching a baddie. We can't screw this up.

Oh, and Hansel and Gretel, please don't tell us who you used your powers on today. For all we know the Baddies technically have enough voting power to take this game here and now (especially if LRC has been turned), and we don't want to give them the chance to do it. And I would recommend keeping silent on that matter tomorrow as well.