WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Inzil

You're a vexing Phantom, you are. I've been trying to figure you over the course of the game, with little success.
If looking suspicious has been your intent, you may have succeeded too well.

Heh heh...

All right, let's see if I can appeal to your logic since I am sort of difficult to gain a gut feeling on.

Look at when I "revealed" as a baddie. It was when both the Seer and Ranger were still alive, and two Wolves were outed. At that point in the proceedings, would it make sense for a third Wolf to reveal, considering two have been caught already and the Seer still has another dream to use before she dies?

The Robber Bridegroom might well try it, but it is very doubtful that it would be intelligent for a member of the evil foursome to come out at that time. It's downright suicidal. While everyone who has played with me will tell you that it is a trademark of mine to bluff and play mind games, they would also testify to the fact that Phantom always does his best to avoid silly risks and plays the odds. While my behaviors may seem silly at times, I am at my core logical and every move of mine is intended to have pros which outweight any cons.

So there it is. If I'm bad, I'm at worst the Robber Bridegroom, in which case I count for the villagers in the tally and lynching me isn't overly helpful. The point is to lynch the packmates here.

[Lariren Shadow]

Does it even matter if the Robber Bridegroom revels? I mean, if we get the last wolf then we will be able to win even if he is still alive. He did his job, there's nothing we can do to stop him other than lynch him and that's pointless as he counts as one of the villagers(I do have that right, right?).

I'm not sure about lynching the phantom. He makes a lot of sense at times and can be very helpful when he wants to be. I wouldn't want him dead, not especially this close to the end because he might be able to find something we can't.

I'm leaning to believe Eomer about his revel.

I have no idea really about anyone else other than I still don't like Nerwen.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

I'm not sure about lynching the phantom. He makes a lot of sense at times and can be very helpful when he wants to be. I wouldn't want him dead, not especially this close to the end because he might be able to find something we can't.

That's what's so annoying about the situation. He goes from sounding evil and scheming to sounding logical and forthright in the blink of an eye. Like this:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Look at when I "revealed" as a baddie. It was when both the Seer and Ranger were still alive, and two Wolves were outed. At that point in the proceedings, would it make sense for a third Wolf to reveal, considering two have been caught already and the Seer still has another dream to use before she dies?

That's a fair point, I must admit.
I want to think about McCaber some more, as well as Kath and Nerwen.
I'd also like to hear from the two who have yet to check in today.

[Nerwen]

Anyone around?

[Inziladun]

I am, though it's maddening trying to decide whether to believe phantom's latest. I ought to vote for him just on general principles, yet I have some misgivings.
Eomer is apparently convinced McCaber is a wolf. Not sure what I think about that either.

[Nerwen]

I've got some things to say about tp.

Just a moment.

[the phantom]

By the way, wouldn't everyone agree that it would increase voting odds and Hunter pick odds if Gretel also were to reveal as soon as possible?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Look at when I "revealed" as a baddie. It was when both the Seer and Ranger were still alive, and two Wolves were outed. At that point in the proceedings, would it make sense for a third Wolf to reveal, considering two have been caught already and the Seer still has another dream to use before she dies?

The Robber Bridegroom might well try it, but it is very doubtful that it would be intelligent for a member of the evil foursome to come out at that time. It's downright suicidal.

The situation was this: Mira had revealed as the Seer and denounced Agan and Fea. Then Fea counter-revealed and accused you, tp, of being the Robber Bridegroom.

So your reveal supported her claim. Now, it does have a somewhat jokey, ambiguous tone to it... so yes, you could have been doing what you say... or you could have been laying ground for a retraction. Anyway, if you're innocent, you knew she was lying, so it was a dangerous stunt to pull in those circumstances– not just for you, but for the village.

To be fair, if you're the Robber Bridegroom, there's the unresolved question of how you knew which "Seer" was false (and thus the one to support)... I don't know– it may be you were more on the ball than I was, and picked Fea's slip immediately. Or it may be that the RB and wolves have found some way to identify each other– in fact Fea basically said this yesterDay.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Phantom, love of mine, I applaud you for making it so easy for me to find you. If I hadn't screwed it up, it would have made for some nice evidence of my seerhood.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what to make of Fea's parting words. They do read a bit like, "See, everyone! He IS the RB! Really!"

Bringing me to the other point. No, wouldn't have made sense for a third wolf to reveal as a wolf– but you didn't. And there's a perfectly good reason for a wolf to reveal as a cobbler. You said it yourself:

Originally Posted by the phantom

So there it is. If I'm bad, I'm at worst the Robber Bridegroom, in which case I count for the villagers in the tally and lynching me isn't overly helpful. The point is to lynch the packmates here.

So... I don't know what you are, phantom, but here are the odds I'm offering toDay:

Robber Bridegroom (2-1)
Wolf (2-1)
Innocent (50-1)


Finally, what's this mean–?

Originally Posted by the phantom

So the thought has never occurred to either of you that I'm the fourth and final Ordo

Huh? To the best of my knowledge, there are two ordos (or apparent ordos) left in this village– unless Red Cap has been turned, which isn't public knowledge...

EDIT: X'd since my last post.