WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

How come you're so certain about Izzy's innocence?

Hrm, hoom; if I was paranoid I'd be screaming at you twisting my words, Agan.

When I say "Why would it matter if we killed Mith rather than any other innocent", I refer not to Izzy or any particular villager.

It is a general rule, I believe, that no innocent should cause too much trouble if seeming in danger of being lynched. The way Mithalwen was carrying on yesterday, when she didn't have too many votes and nothing was decided, suggested that it was really, really bad that she might die. This is only true if she's the Seer. Obviously she wasn't, so I don't see why there was such a drama yesterday.

I am talking about Mithalwen's behaviour, early on in the day; you took my words out of context, and applied them to the end of the day, when Izzy was suddenly a genuine lynching candidate.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And really, all this explaining myself is putting me on a very public pedestal so I'd rather do something constructive, if that's ok.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ha! It's you, isn't it phantom? I know it. It's probably still worth lynching Shasta too, mind.

Call it seeing what you want to see, but why, oh why, would Boromir be killed? Trouble-maker? Likely to rouse suspicion upon his own self? Quite like Lommy actually.

You're taking down those who would stand up to you.

Crude, I know. There are more subtle ways to put forth one's suspicion, but oh well. Anyone else getting this feeling?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Eomer

You're taking down those who would stand up to you.

What does it matter who stands up to me if the Seer is still alive? We could have a village full of timid little mice, but if the Seer outs me I'm toast just the same. The Seer is approximately 274 times more dangerous than loud-mouths. Saying that I kill people based on whether they "stand up to me" is an insult to my common sense.

In my last game as a Wolf Shasta, Nerwen, Kath, and Durelin were alive the last day. The game before that I left Kuru and Ang alive till the end. The game before that I left the flippin Barrow-Wight alive till the end! No, no, Eomer... I don't mind loud independent folks at all. I am not frightened of people- I am frightened of the roles they have.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And this is a game where I hope the Seer has dreamed about you.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

What does it matter who stands up to me if the Seer is still alive? We could have a village full of timid little mice, but if the Seer outs me I'm toast just the same. The Seer is approximately 274 times more dangerous than loud-mouths. Saying that I kill people based on whether they "stand up to me" is an insult to my common sense.

I don't quite see why you would worry about the Seer unless you have something to hide.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I don't quite see why you would worry about the Seer unless you have something to hide.

I think phantom is speaking theoretically; feel free to correct me I'm wrong, Mr. P.

[EDIT: I notice that tp said basically this later on. I apologize for being redundant.]

But, who says Boro and Lommy weren't seer candidates in the eyes of the wolves?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Oh, almost forgot to ask- Shasta...

Yesterday you miscounted the vote, and gave Mith only one vote when she actually had two.

Was that because you are Hansel and had used your power to make Boro's vote not count and thus when you counted you knew his wasn't real?

Nope. When I voted, I was going by Izzy's vote count in #285, and I completely missed that Izzy herself had voted Mith after that.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'd also like to see more of Fea, Shasta, and Gwath.

People always want to see more of me. It's my stunning good looks.

Regarding Gaurcrist: The way he's going after Phantom specifically to the exclusion of all else, because of his playing style... hmm... who does that remind me of? Someone charming, handsome, and psychic, but I can't put a name to him... I'll have to think.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Agan, I said that I thought Mith was giving out Seer-hints - not that I believed her in any way.

What was the point in pointing that out then? Simply saying "Mith is giving out Seer-hints" is hardly helpful to the village regardless of whether you believe her.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm still flip-flopping on Greenie. The way she flip-flopped on Cab & Shasta looked innocent but her posting near the deadline & her vote looked somehow... too calculating.

Agan, this is the second time you've said this and I'm no less confused than the first time. Since when is flip-flopping an innocent tell? Especially since I know I've seen you make cases on Lommy based on "flip-flopping".

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I thought it best to inform you that I read that as "waits for Shasta to grow up".

Sniff. No one's ever mean to Phantom when he acts like this.

Nerwen, I agree with everything you said regarding Gaurcrist.

Originally Posted by Izzy

I don't see Mith here.

#299 he votes and miscounts the vote tally. I suppose you wanted to keep your vote amongst those already voted for. But why not Fea whom was on your "possible fairytale characters gone wrong" list? Or why not vote for someone you actually found suspicious?

As well given what you said to Gaurcrist in #291. Where are your reasons for voting Mith? You gave reasons why you wouldn't vote for Boro and Eomer.

I wanted to keep my vote among those already voted for, and for some reason, given something I'd read (I don't remember exactly what it was) I was under the impression that Fea was having RL issues.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Ha! It's you, isn't it phantom? I know it. It's probably still worth lynching Shasta too, mind.

Just because you don't want to waste a kill on me at night, Eomer...

Originally Posted by Phantom

In my last game as a Wolf Shasta, Nerwen, Kath, and Durelin were alive the last day.

Don't remind me of that travesty, Phantom, please.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Inzil

I don't quite see why you would worry about the Seer unless you have something to hide.

I was answering the question from the perspective of a Werewolf, Inzil, showing that the logical behavior did not match up with what actually happened.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I was answering the question from the perspective of a Werewolf, Inzil, showing that the logical behavior did not match up with what actually happened.

Ahh. Right over my head.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Nope. When I voted, I was going by Izzy's vote count in #285, and I completely missed that Izzy herself had voted Mith after that.

Rats. There goes that theory.

Originally Posted by Shasta

hmm... who does that remind me of?

Hee hee... It's on the tip of my tongue.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Sniff. No one's ever mean to Phantom when he acts like this.

Ha ha! Yeah right.

Originally Posted by Eomer

And this is a game where I hope the Seer has dreamed about you.

I'm usually the first to shout, "You know I've been dreamed of already, so leave me alone!" but I'm not going to say it this time. I've been paying attention to posts as much as I can, and thus far I haven't gotten the feeling that I've been a dream target. The people who are my leading candidates for Seer haven't indicated it, anyway. But perhaps Seer is just laying low.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

What was the point in pointing that out then? Simply saying "Mith is giving out Seer-hints" is hardly helpful to the village regardless of whether you believe her.

Er, what are you talking about it? I was speaking with Aganzir about why I didn't save Mith, and now you're jumping in and saying I'm not helpful. It's perfectly helpful because I'm explaining my vote and suspicions.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Anyway, I'm going to bed now. I'll be back to help lynch Shasta in the morning.