WW LX - Mortal Men, doomed to die

[Nerwen]

Anyway. I have to go now, so–

++Sally.

Good night.

[Nerwen]

Oh, and don't lynch Lhuna toDay. Yes, wraith-on-wraith is a possibility– but it could just as easily be a plot to get an innocent killed.

Sally is a much better risk– plus, her death gives us more information than anyone else's.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

OK I chose to belive that the wraiths made a mistake and did not kill Nogrod 2 nights ago. . .Now if Sally turns out to be the Seer, then somebody has been acting very weird.

++Sally

[wilwarin538]

K, thanks Nerwen.

I'm just gonna vote now cause I'm not positive that I'll be back, but I'll try.

++Sally

X'posted with Nerwen, Rune and Lhuna

[satansaloser2005]

You try to help your team out and look what they to do you....Typical.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

If Nogrod is the seer, then what sense does it make for the wraiths to leave him alive? Obviously it would be lovely for them to watch as we lynched our own seer, but still. . .

Of course Nogrod could be a wraith, with their relatively high numbers they could definitly afford to sacrifice one in order to draw out the seer. (but obviously then none of them would be the seer)

Then there is the chance of Sally being an ordo trying to draw attention away from the seer, but what kind of sense would that make?

What I am trying to say is this: the more I think about this situation the less sense it makes.

Rune darling, it's me. Do I ever make sense? (And I'm not saying I'm the seer impersonator, I'm just pointing out that I'm a bit far from typical. Kthnkx.)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Sally is the type of person who would do exactly as she's doing now as a bored Ordo, attempting to protect the person she thought was the Seer. Nogrod, I think you're being overly paranoid.

In any case, whether or not Sally is lying, Lhuna is a wolf. It's clear we need to lynch her today.

Given that I'm just now getting back into the swing of things, can anyone tell me exactly what time the deadline is (aka: how many hours I have to vote?)

Well at least someone sees reason. Whether I'm an innocent or the real seer it's silly to be persecuted like this.
++Shasta for representative!

Originally Posted by Nienna

Sally are you the seer? If so why would you reveal if Nog was doing so well by himself?

Why let Nog go down for no reason? Besides, I was rather afraid (as I said earlier) that if I didn't say anything very soon no one would believe me. Too late, obviously.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

One more thing....I don't quite understand why everyone seems to be assuming Lhuna is guilty. Did I miss something??

Because I said so. If they don't believe me then they have no way to know this information.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Although I will confess I'm a little irritated that, given a chance to post, Sally said nothing about her reasoning. Here I am being accused of sticking my neck out for her; the least she could have done is be a little more forthright.

Sorry, love. I was absolutely exhausted when I got home and I'd made a list of posts to reply to and just didn't feel like getting around to them, so I kept it short and sweet so I could get to bed.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Lhuna: I still don't understand, now I'm seeing that yesterDay people were confused over why she hadn't been Night killed, I definitely missed something in here.

Sally: K, one thing I noticed in my re-reading, when Nogrod revealed my innocence she was all like "I'm of much the same opinion", are you claiming you "dreamt" me aswell?? Or you're just agreeing with him....I don't know. I really don't believe her, at all. So I'll be voting her, most probably.

Brinniel: Makes sense, I want to trust her, and because of that I feel like I shouldn't....I'm getting so paranoid. I honestly don't know about her...

In response to both your post and your question. There's a reason Lhuna hasn't been Night killed, I didn't dream of you just my opinion, and do trust Brinn, because she's innocent. Enjoy.


Currently I think I have....five votes? That means there's at least the chance to make this a tie and leave it to chance. Vote Lhuna and I assure you we will kill a baddie.


++Lhuna


ETA: I thought I had more posts quoted to respond to, so I know something's missing. If you asked me a question and I didn't answer it pose it again and I'll be sure to respond. Epic reply fail on my part, sorry.

[Nogrod]

Well this looks like being quite a game indeed!

I do approve different theories - and think that I have entertained a few versions myself as well. But I do not approve of clinging into illogical ones with all you can come up with. When someone defends his theory with someone sending PM's to wrong people it looks more like the end-result of the theory is more important than the evidence and the actual believability of it.

Yes Sally acts pretty weird whether as a wraith or as an innocent. But for innocent she acts even more weirder.

But I could see Legate's signature behind all this indeed. He had one Night to plot with the other wolves before his last Day broke and he might have suggested that if he is taken the others should leave me alive for one or two Nights so that you others would start mistrusting me and would eventually lynch me (and if we'd use all our Daily time into discussing my role the other wolves could hide more easily in the shadows).

Now this - even if it's a bit clumsy - could actually speak for that kind of an interpretation:

Originally Posted by Sally in #340

Oh, and to add. I honestly believe that Nog has nothing but good intentions for the village, so if you believe me trust him. Well, at least trust that he's innocent.

I mean if and when we lynch her and find out she's a ringwraith that might just be thought of adding some pressure on my status.

That's at least the best explanation I could come up with at the moment. And that being the case I do agree with Rune that it has been an epic failure.

Also I think Nerwen might be up to something by suggesting that Sally decided to act on an instinct in the morning without thinking it more closely where it would lead her. For otherwise her action sure looks odd. Or did she actually believe I would take the bait?

Anyway. Some thougths on other issues than Sally to follow.

[Nogrod]

Okay and Shasta then.

First he says:

In any case, whether or not Sally is lying, Lhuna is a wolf. It's clear we need to lynch her today.

Now this already raises some eyebrows. How comes he think that even if Sally is lying Lhuna must be a baddie? And that is quite an unconditional way of putting it: "whether or not, Lhuna is a wolf".

Then he elaborates it a bit:

there is no reason for Sally to make such a claim without some sort of knowledge.

But on the next one he undermines his earlier suggestion about special knowledge by defending Sally as an ordo:

I'm supporting her because I think there's a chance she could be an ordo attempting to divert attention from the real Seer

A bit later he still "knows" there is a reason behind Sally's actions but by this time it's only "not necessarily evil":

I already said I don't claim to know the reason behind Sally's actions. All I'm saying is that there is one, and it's not necessarily evil.

Ending up with this:

Perhaps Sally is a secret role. Perhaps Sally's attempting to be helpful. Perhaps Lhuna-wraith mis-sent a PM.

Okay. I'm a bit confused about Shasta. At times, especially early into the Day he looked soo evil. Really urging us to lynch Lhuna and looking confident about it & assuring us that Sally must be having good intentions. The growing frustration on his part makes me wonder though. But then again, if he's an innocent why would he stick so forcefully to his alternative which makes no sense? It looks like all that matters is that we lynch Lhuna and save Sally and everytime people point to him a flaw in his reasoning he tries to come up with a new, a bit diluted one... *Baffled*


Hah, no explanation I can come by actually makes sense in this game either... But I still think we have actually about believable theories in contrast to absurd or highly impossible ones.

[Nogrod]

Lhuna is making my head ache.

It all started in practise when she was alive on Day2. Knowing that Legate was a wolf it really baffled me to see her around safe and sound. Yes, her death - whether she turned out to be the seer or not - would point towards Legate but the wraiths should have taken that risk as a living seer is the most dangerous person there is.

... just a minute...

Were Legate and Lhuna thinking of this two Nights ago? That would be a nice one indeed: If one wished to argue against Lhuna as a fellow wolf (because they couldn't afford leaving a possible seer alive she must be their mate) then one should eye my continuing presence as a similar case (well a stronger case even as I'm not a possible seer to them but in fact a self-confessed and wraith delivering one eg. my continuing existence among the living proves I'm a baddie myself)?

Okay. That would make some sense indeed. Even if it looks quite a daring tactics.

But why then Sally went berserk this Morning instead of starting to suspect me on these grounds?


Back to Lhuna then.

Now the fact than Sally chose her as the target whom she claimed to know is a wolf is interesting. In her last post (which looks a lot like a baddie saying bye-bye to the game -post with the last nudges) Sally says:

There's a reason Lhuna hasn't been Night killed
...
Vote Lhuna and I assure you we will kill a baddie.

Looking very much like trying to make us not to lynch Lhuna. Sadly these farewell posts by baddies are always readable in too many different ways.

But anyway, choosing Lhuna (continuing to assume Sally's lupinity) might point either way. Either Sally was trying to fool us into lynching an inncent and giving us really tough time with numbers toMorrow - and risking all into my possible taking of her bait (which sounds foolish indeed). Or then she must have been trying to get either of them lynched and with a baddie revealed the other might look good enough so that you'd trust her a bit more and I wouldn't "waste" a dream on her - which might be crucial with numbers dwindling down.

Okay, the latter sounds the more likely but I'm not sure I'm ready to buy it as such. At least yet.

[Nogrod]

Nice to see someone else around! It has been a bit lonely out here lately...

Well Brinn, what would you say if I dream of you on the Night to come? (taken out of the context this would sound a bit... )

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I don't want to jump to conclusions here, but it strikes me that #341 (while sounding quite reasonable) is consistent with what Brinn would do if the remaining wraiths were herself and Shasta:

1. Throw Sally under the bus.

2. Try to save Shasta.

3. Try to make the village focus again on Lhuna as a lynch-candidate.

1. Yeah, that's something I would do. But seeing how Sally's behaving, who wouldn't?

2. Do you really think I'd be that obvious?

3. Where did I ever try to make the village focus on Lhuna as a candidate? If anything, I was leaning further away from her and more towards Sally.

I must say Nerwen, you're behaviour is very suspicious. Bandwagoning with Noggie, faulty reasoning, aggression, and a hint of overconfidence in your posts. If Nogrod hadn't cleared you, I'd be thinking you were a wolf. Actually, your behaviour is so strange, it almost makes me want to question Nogrod. Good grief, I'm confused enough as it is, and all this weird behaviour from multiple people is just making paranoid..

We've heard from Lhuna now, though I'm still not quite satisfied. I'm not sure what exactly I expected from her, but her response seems pretty typical and tells me nothing. I guess I just hate voting someone before they have a chance to respond to an accusation, but at this point I don't think I'd vote her anyway.

Sally just looks more wolfish with every post. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it turns out she was telling the truth. It still seems odd that Sally would want to sacrifice herself like this (since she surely predicted that she'd eventually get lynched for such actions). She and Lhuna could be wolves together, but that'd mean placing two more wolves into the spotlight after already losing one. If that's so, they must be pretty confident in their final wolf (which would mean looking at someone who hasn't received much attention yet). Anyway, if Sally is a wolf, we ought to be careful who we suspect next. A wolf in her position would most likely take advantage of this time to frame some innocents or perhaps make a double bluff. Sally's a bit of a loose cannon regardless of her role, so there's no predicting exactly what she might do.