WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Wait, wait... Lari already did post toDay? I thought she hadn't. And she didn't explain her vote? *sharpens knife*

Yes I did not explain my vote nor do I really intend to because I'm having a hard time figuring out how to explain it and go with my crack role. Clearly I'm trying to figure out how to do that, but I have the problem of writing a horribly long paper that I've been sort of putting off and will not be able to devote an adiquit amount of time to WW toDay. Yes earlier I did but I was also trying to wake up and then I started on my paper.

Sorry for the nonexplination.

[Rikae]

Lari's role = no analysis?

Mith, I said I'm not on *your* side, and if Mac's on your side, I'm not on his side either. Or so it seems. If I'm wrong, then I'm headed for a bad mistake toNight. (But I'm never wrong, and you're headed directly into the fire swamp!)

[Mithalwen]

Fighting talk but the village won't thank you for getting rid of me... even if you have the power....

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Kath

Mac - the way that he reached his vote for Lommy seems odd to me because he discounted Durelin because he was unlikely to get a vote for her, then listed a bunch of people who with the exception of Lommy had no votes but then said he was voting for her not because she'd got votes but because he agreed with what others said. I would like to hear him answer this though.

Well, why vote for somebody if you know nobody else will probably join you. Also, I was somewhat less sure of her. The random people were the people I labeled suspicious or unsure some time before. I voted Lommy because of both, the vote for her and my agreement with others.

[Kath]

Alright Mac, but at that point Lommy had one single vote. There were a lot of people left to vote, many of whom had previously mentioned suspicion of Durelin. It just didn't quite seem to follow on neatly.

[Gwathagor]

Here's me taking a Yellow Ochre look at Wilwarin.

Most of her early posts aren't worth trying to analyze, so I've left them out. It will suffice to say that she voted for Legate because she didn't want to introduce another voting candidate into the mix.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Wow, my life on a coin flip, that's pretty scary...

Anyway, I have been given a second chance at life so I will definitely try and be useful.

[quotes someone]

It must simply mean that we are only dealing with wolves and not a bear or anything. Unless the bear gave up his chance for a kill so that we wouldn't know of his existence right away, but I doubt that.

Lommy's "seer hint" spot makes a lot of sense, seers always seem to be the main target for wolves so it wouldn't surprise me for a second that they'd go after anyone who could fill that role.

[quotes someone]

I'm thinking no for 2 and 3. They had 24 hours to decide on something and most likely plenty of people to choose from, so I doubt they were under that much pressure. 3 isn't really a smart tactic for them, people who don't talk much can aquire a lot of suspicion so to kill them off wouldn't be overly intelligent. 1 is possible, but it's a scary notion that everything is going exactly as they planned.

Well, it's really quite impossible to know what their thinking, so I think we should maybe just keep Mira in the back of our minds then toMorrow when their is another kill we can compare the two, see if there is some pattern or something, perhaps I'll re-read her's later, though what Lommy found seems to make quite a lot of sense...

For now I need to go run some erands, I'll be back fairly shortly. Perhaps I'll make a list of some sort...

x'posted since my last

Ok, in this first post she is addressing Mira's death on Night 1. She doesn't really say anything new and original, though that in itself isn't necessarily suspicious. Some of her reactions in this post appear feigned to me: basically, wherever smileys show up. I should also point out that she supports Lommy twice; maybe a wolf would be less likely to associate with a fellow, maybe not.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Uhm, ok....I'll return shortly with some quotes and such to back this all up, but for now this is my starting list, subject to change:

The list of people who confuse the heck out of me:

• Fea
• Nerwen
• Nilp

The list of people who I have absolutely no clue about:

• Izzy
• Mith
• Kath
• Mac
• Nienna

The list of people I'm pretty sure about:

• Lommy
• Rikae
• Brinn
• Nogrod

The list ofpeople I suspect most at this time:

• Gwath
• Lari
• Dury

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Okee, down to business. My 3 suspects as I listed above: Durelin, Lari and Gwath. I went back and skimmed through some stuff and I found the most against Gwath (see below). Dury is purely an eerie creepy bad feeling, I don't think I'll be voting her toDay, but I wouldn't be against the idea either, we'll see how it all goes.

Lari, well, she posts alot, like a lot....and I couldn't find much that was really interesting. She just makes me uneasy and I'm very tempted to vote for her toDay.

Now Gwath, I saw this and went "oh!", let me know if it's already been mentioned and I just didn't see it:

k, so he puts Legate on his "sort of" suspicious list, says he's too obvious to be a wolf but then votes for him anyway?? I mean I know I voted for him without any hard core suspicion, but I admitted that. Here he basically says that there are 2 other people he is more suspicious of, that Legate's unlikely to be a wolf, and then votes him anyways. o.O So yeah, I don't like that....so I stopped reading when I saw this, wanted to comment first, will now be going back and reading all of his posts once more. Unless someone else does something crazy I think I'll be voting for Gwath.

Her suspicions of Durelin and Lariren at this point seem to be based mostly on bad feelings; she also seems pretty confident already that she will end up voting for me. I find her case against me to be pretty weak; others may disagree. I have tried to explain that stupid Legate thing as well as I can, so I won't do it again unless someone asks.

It looks to me like Wilwarin was fishing for a voting target and had already picked me, but threw Durelin and Lariren in there just to make it look more like the due process of law.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Anyway, I'm leaning more and more towards voting for Gwath, he's really starting to urk me. I hadn't gotten the chance before to go back and read all his posts (had to go pick up my brother unexpectidely), but I will do that right now.

She reiterates her suspicion of me and spells two words wrong.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

K Kath, I gotcha now, and ya I believe I had just agreed with Lommy about that.

Anyway, re-reading Gwath's and Lari's posts again, I definitely will vote for one of them, leaning more towards Gwath for sure though. This is really just a quick peek in, I won't make it on again for a couple more hours and then will probably vote then.

Why does she keep Lariren in here? She already specified two posts ago that unless something crazy happened, she was probably going to vote for me. And she doesn't ever really even elaborate on why she is so suspicious of Lariren, even though she allegedly found by far the most evidence against me?

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Well basically just the frequent, short posts and your overall attitude, I just don't like it. Kinda like why I'm iffy about Lari, all the banter and such just doesn't sit well with me. I honestly wish I could give you more, but I don't have it. There's just a large amount of people that aren't striking me as being guilty, mostly just insane, probably cause of Sally's assignments. It's making the game very interesting in that there aren't many I find suspicious, I'm just really hoping to get lucky.

Hmmm. She's just really hoping to get lucky. Whereas I was by far the more suspicious three posts ago, notice that she now compares her case against me to her case against Lariren, which consisted of, approximately: "she just makes me uneasy."


Conclusion: Reasonably Suspicious
Wilwarin, to me, seems to be either an ordo who is very busy and doesn't have the time to put extensive thought into this game, or a wereduck who is trying to avoid suspicion by being non-comittal and low-key. Her cases against myself, Lariren, and Durelin are very, very flimsy and seem artificial, as if she was making them up and hadn't done a very thorough job. There is some inconsistency, too, which is by no means an indicator of evil-intentions, though it is easier to fall into contradiction when you aren't telling the truth.

[Nienna]

On Mith

I'm beginning to agree with Izzy about Mith being on her own team... I remember in Shasta's game Fea was the Black Queen and on her own team and she couldn't be killed by the wolves on the first try. Maybe something like this is happening. It could be that Mith was chosen for the kill last night, as some have suggested, and being on her own team wasn't able to be killed. Since she may be 'tricked out' then maybe she had the ability to find out someone's role (Lommy) and is trying to now help the village kill off ducks (definitely still a good idea) but so that she can pick off the villagers as well. She has never said that she was an innocent or that she was on the village's team just that as long as she was helping the village they should keep her alive.

*sigh... still confused but maybe slightly less so?*

[wilwarin538]

here....reading...

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Conclusion: Reasonably Suspicious

I actually need to change this to "Somewhat Suspicious." I think that's more accurate.

[Rikae]

Just so everything is perfectly clear:

I was only throwing that out there. I can't eliminate Mith; you have to.

I can neutralize the efforts of our worst enemy, in a way, if I'm lucky - whoever it may be.

That's all.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Kath

Brinn - not actually liking her playing style this game. Or, not the playing style exactly but the fact that she seems to be really holding back. It feels like she doesn't trust herself to post substance.

Do you think I'm holding back because I'm not making long thought-out posts containing lists for a change? You do know this is a behaviour modification game, right?

[Macalaure]

Guilty
n.a. - dammit.

Guilty enough
Lari - everything says stone her, but my feeling says it'd be unwise.
Nienna - too uncommitted, and even when she gives reasons, they seem fishy. Not much real evidence, but a rather bad feeling. It's Day3, so her newbie protection has expired.

unsure
Nerwen
Nilp
Nogrod
Rikae - there's more to her than she shows, therefore I think I'll be careful about voting her.
Wilwa

Innocent enough
Brinn - as others said, she seems to be holding something back. Otherwise, not worried.
Durelin
Gwath
Kath - has been reasonable enough toDay.
Mith - question mark about her actual role, but that will resolve itself eventually.

Innocent
Fea
Isabellkya

For me, it will come down to Lari or Nienna and whoever out of the unsure group decides to act suspiciously between now and soon.

[Nogrod]

Okay.

I think it as obvious as any thing in this odd game can be, that Mith is the phantom's apprentice. Remember how much she talked about tp in the first Days and compare it to her now. So that was a posting requirement: before you get your "mission" done (or whatever it is) you'll have to idolise tp but then you are released from it.

Now what follows from that? We surely don't know. Maybe she has a power to distract the ducks once in the game? Maybe she gets new powers after being attacked at Night? Maybe she became immortal as the narration suggests?

But whatever the answer is, I would strongly advice against lynching her. At least for the time being. We owe her a deathless Night anyway and she might still help us.

There's a possibility she was turned into a duck when being attacked, but I do doubt that one. It was said in the narration that the ducks were permanently scarred from the blinding light PA flashed. It doesn't feel like joining them but defeating them to me.

X'd since wilwa...

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Nogrod;590476]Okay.

I think it as obvious as any thing in this odd game can be, that Mith is the phantom's apprentice. Remember how much she talked about tp in

Now what follows from that? We surely don't know. Maybe she has a power to distract the ducks once in the game? Maybe she gets new powers after being attacked at Night? Maybe she became immortal as the narration suggests?

But whatever the answer is, I would strongly advice against lynching her. At least for the time being. We owe her a deathless Night anyway and she might still help us.

QUOTE]

Nogrod maybe you looked at my first post ..... I long ago said that TP and I had a Pythia /Deity relationship but I will not hobble like a hag after his bright feet....

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Gwath, about me

seems to be either an ordo who is very busy and doesn't have the time to put extensive thought into this game

Yes...which I'm sorry for, when I signed up I thought I'd have more time then I actually do, but I'm trying my hardest.

Ok, so I read through today, I'm gonna do a list thing, and yes lots has changed for me since yesterDay, I'll admit my past list was put together quite quickly and with quite a small degree of though. But right now I'm in no rush so quite a bit more thought has gone into this:


Fea: I'm thinking she's got a pretty crazy "assignment" for how she has to post, it would actually surprise me if she's a duck, I'm thinking she's either an ord or has a made up role or something.

Brinn: hmmm, I actually don't have to much of a read on her, though I'm leaning morish towards innocent, nothing really pops out to much for me

Durelin: I said yesterDay there was bad feelings and such, still kinda there, and no I don't have anything to back them up, but I don't think I'll vote for her

Nogrod: Starting to not feel as good about him, what Izzy said in her post at 692 kinda struck something with me, I'll be coming back with more of my own oppinion after, don't want to base it just on what someone else said

Izzy: feel pretty good about her too, not actually much to say

Nerwen: uh, her last minute votes, or lack thereof, really bug me, and I know she has this "assignment" to be all peppy and stuff, but that's all I'm seeing from her, I'm not seeing really any effort despite the large amount of posts, the voting thing though mostly I don't like

Rikae: yeah, I had put her in the "sure about" column yesterDay, honestly that had been somewhat of a random placement, all the cobbler suspicions are making quite a bit of sense, though I'm greatly curious to see what she thinks will happen toNight, for all we know it's something good, so I'm inclined to keep her around toDay, though next Day I wouldn't hesitate to vote for her

Mith: I trust her, I'm thinking the wolves thought her a Seer and chose her as their kill, and she wasn't the Seer but something else, seemingly the phantom's apprentice. This could be good for us, so I'm not gonna vote for her, and think about it, the wolves probably tried to kill her and it didn't work, so if we tried it may not work either anyway. But I think we should keep her around.

Kath: liking what I see, she's making sense and seems to be thinking very logically, if she has an "assignment" I can't figure out what it may be.

Lari: uhm, yeah, still not liking, her banter from Day 1 won't leave my head and since then she just seems so.....so.....I don't even know, this is a gut feeling, though I'm seeing that some attention was brought to her because of her vote yesterDay, I'll need to go check out what happened there more closely.

Mac: not really standing out either way for me, though he seems to be useful, I'm inclined to think well of him

Nienna: she's here and there for me, at times I find her pretty clean at others there's things I don't like, won't be voting for her but will be keeping a close eye on her

Gwath: haha, my personal spell checker I suppose ....I was quite suspicious of him yesterDay, and I still stand by my reasoning, I don't think I'll be voting for him again however, but I still don't trust him...though I like that he puts a capital W on my name

Nilp: wow, so mixed up, I honestly find him amusing, and very odd, but not suspicious, he was added to the game last minute and I honestly believe his role is to mess with our heads

Don't believe I missed anyone.....so that's it for now, I'll be gone for about the next 2.5 hours, ish. Then I should probably be back pretty consistently til the end of the Day.

x'posted since Gwath

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Yes...which I'm sorry for, when I signed up I thought I'd have more time then I actually do, but I'm trying my hardest.

Perhaps, and perhaps you're just taking advantage of the potential excuse I suggested in my post, i.e. busyness. Hmmm.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Kath

when you are around you're just posting nonsense half the time. I'm suspecting you because I don't believe that three people's role requirements would be to post nonsense which seemed to be your argument.

No, that was not my argument. And while I have made a few nonsense posts, saying that half of my posts have no substance is a bit of an exaggeration. While you say you aren't suspecting based on style, you still seem to be suspecting based on behaviour.

[Brinniel]

Nogrod, I agree with you. Not only because of her earlier talk of phantom, but also because she seemed to be one of the more obvious targets for last Night. It makes sense.

I don't think she's on the ducks' side, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's on our side either. But either way, I say it's smartest to leave her alone for now at least.

[Isabellkya]

Hmm.

Could see myself voting for toDay:

Lari - Because she is looking to be guilty of having feathers. Though, I'm slightly disinclined to actually vote for her, since toDay seems like it would be a cop-out for me.

Mac - For the most part, he looks really innocent. The last time I remember him looking this innocent - he was super furry.

Nienna - She is starting to creep me out. I have the feeling she is following people too much.


Maaaybe:

Nerwen - She is probably just an Ordo with a heinous posting requirement of cheerleader. Though her voting of Lommy yesterDay is suspicious.

Brin - She is probably restrained by her posting requirement as well. However, I'm not entirely comfortable in her jump of suspicions against Lommy.


Not so much toDay:

Mith - Eh. She knows things. What and how she knows what she knows, I've no idea. Definitely something funny going on.

Rikae - She knows things. I suspect how and what are different compared to Mith. Again, I've no idea. Another one who is inflicted with funniness.

Nog - He is definitely a Duck. I just don't know if full were or not.


Nah, looking a bit sparkly:

Gwath - Meh. Nothing looks overtly suspicious.

Dury - Same as Gwath.

Kath - Same as Dury.


Nah, no idea:

Fea - She definitely seems to be heavily restrained by her posting requirement. So, she is probably an ordo.

Nilp - He is crazy. Why he would claim to be the Apprentice, then disregard it - not sure.

Wilwa - She is more innocent, but I've still no idea.


X'd since Kath's #708.

[Mithalwen]

Ok need to go but while I don't retract a thing I have said...

++Kath

Sometimes revenge is a dish best served very cold.

[Nogrod]

Bah, I fought with my Firefox for a while and then it went down, but there's always the bad old Explorer...


I do agree with the comments that Rikae looks cobblerish. Looking at the way her posting develops toDay is interesting indeed...

First she tried the card of knowing things others don't - especially knowing something about the "real seer" (what would be more easy to say in a game of frustratingly odd roles left and right?). Then she started calling us to lynch her if we dare to suspect her. And there was no heavy suspecting towards her in between these two first ones.

Then came this which really freaks me out:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Leaving me alive is great - for my side - as you shall see toNight.

Promising to do something so that we should not lynch her toDay - but at the same time remaining incomprehensive, almost threathening.

Later she came back and got more specific by saying she is able to neutralize the efforts of "our worst enemy, in a way, if lucky".

So first it would be great and we could see it toNight - and then it was only possible, in a way, if she got lucky...


So what is she? Not a gifted on our side. No and no. I had this same feeling already on Day1 as you can see if you go back there. But neither do I think she is a member of the duck-trio - or is she just aiming at this kind of reaction? Maybe she is the bad counterpart of Mith who gets her speciality after accomplishing something?

Or maybe she is the cobbler as she feels like being? Confusion, missed energies, possibly wishing to die instead of letting us to get a duck? The cobbler-role(s) sure must be modified as well, so maybe she actually knows something - and is a cobbler at the same time?

Anyway, if she is a cobbler we should probably try to lynch a duck first.

[Macalaure]

Voting time for me.

I still don't have a good feeling about voting Lari, and I don't like it how often she is mentioned. I have some vague picture of Nog, Rikae, and Wilwa, but I don't have any clue about the other two in my unsure group - Nerwen and Nilp. I'd like to lynch them just to find out, but that's not a good idea in general. I'm not entirely sure I'm doing the right thing with this vote either, but it's my best guess:

++Nienna

[Nogrod]

When has Mith changed her sig into this?

Originally Posted by Mith's signatire

... unforseen by even the Valar, good and evil united, and the forces of greyness swept over the lands unchecked, doing deeds of compassion and cruelty far and wide.
And Mithalwen beheld all that was done, and saw that it was good - and evil

Just a freaking idea. Mith - and possibly Rikae as well - are kind of "real neutrals". Not on our side and not on the side of the ducks.

That would make things quite problematic.

And which would be their victory-conditions? "To survive" comes to mind... but I don't think so as they would have played differently then... *confused*

[Durelin]

I'm inclined to ignore Rikae right now because I know she wants to be lynched. Besides, she's fun to have around when she's like this. Her vague suggestions of extra knowledge and dangerous powers seem very much like she's just having fun...but as she's said herself, she's not on our side... Really considering this game in general I wonder if we should worry about her a bit more than we'd usually be inclined to...

I agree that Mith should not be lynched toDay. I am not sure why she's still being vague, but obviously she does not have a straightforward role. Pretty typical, eh?

Originally Posted by Mith

All I ask is that I am not lynched while I am still delivering ducks for the village. I can't prove I am not bluffing but even if it were a bluff why not profit from it while you can?

I suppose you can't tell us how you are able to 'deliver' ducks to us, either? I don't know how many people voted for Lommy following your lead yesterDay and I don't know how many will follow your lead toDay. I voted for Lommy because I actually found her guilty. Granted, I find Nienna rather suspicious, too, and you mentioned her earlier as your target. So we'll see, eh?

Originally Posted by Izzy

Mac - For the most part, he looks really innocent. The last time I remember him looking this innocent - he was super furry.

Hehe, oh I remember that. His Day 1 behavior was a little inconsistent, but I can see what you mean.

Originally Posted by Gwath

Wilwarin, to me, seems to be either an ordo who is very busy and doesn't have the time to put extensive thought into this game, or a wereduck who is trying to avoid suspicion by being non-comittal and low-key.

Indeed. Nienna seems the same way to me. I find Nienna more suspicious only because I recall wilwa came across this way to me last game, as well.

Lari has been quite similarly non-comittal and on the edge of things, and her vote looks really bad. Maybe too bad, considering.

(Edit: crossed with everyone since Mith's vote...and oookay, I guess she changed targets.)

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Just a freaking idea. Mith - and possibly Rikae as well - are kind of "real neutrals". Not on our side and not on the side of the ducks.

Originally Posted by Izzy

If Mith were neutral - why would she tell us that we could get rid of her after she finds the Ducks? Doesn't seem too neutral to me.

Maybe Mith is the postulated good cobbler and Rikae the bad cobbler.

[Isabellkya]

Ahahaha.
I wonder if Rikae searches for the Hunter ... and "neutralizes" them - taking away their ability to hunt.


*off to pontificate more to self*


X'd with Dury.