WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Gwath, about me

seems to be either an ordo who is very busy and doesn't have the time to put extensive thought into this game

Yes...which I'm sorry for, when I signed up I thought I'd have more time then I actually do, but I'm trying my hardest.

Ok, so I read through today, I'm gonna do a list thing, and yes lots has changed for me since yesterDay, I'll admit my past list was put together quite quickly and with quite a small degree of though. But right now I'm in no rush so quite a bit more thought has gone into this:


Fea: I'm thinking she's got a pretty crazy "assignment" for how she has to post, it would actually surprise me if she's a duck, I'm thinking she's either an ord or has a made up role or something.

Brinn: hmmm, I actually don't have to much of a read on her, though I'm leaning morish towards innocent, nothing really pops out to much for me

Durelin: I said yesterDay there was bad feelings and such, still kinda there, and no I don't have anything to back them up, but I don't think I'll vote for her

Nogrod: Starting to not feel as good about him, what Izzy said in her post at 692 kinda struck something with me, I'll be coming back with more of my own oppinion after, don't want to base it just on what someone else said

Izzy: feel pretty good about her too, not actually much to say

Nerwen: uh, her last minute votes, or lack thereof, really bug me, and I know she has this "assignment" to be all peppy and stuff, but that's all I'm seeing from her, I'm not seeing really any effort despite the large amount of posts, the voting thing though mostly I don't like

Rikae: yeah, I had put her in the "sure about" column yesterDay, honestly that had been somewhat of a random placement, all the cobbler suspicions are making quite a bit of sense, though I'm greatly curious to see what she thinks will happen toNight, for all we know it's something good, so I'm inclined to keep her around toDay, though next Day I wouldn't hesitate to vote for her

Mith: I trust her, I'm thinking the wolves thought her a Seer and chose her as their kill, and she wasn't the Seer but something else, seemingly the phantom's apprentice. This could be good for us, so I'm not gonna vote for her, and think about it, the wolves probably tried to kill her and it didn't work, so if we tried it may not work either anyway. But I think we should keep her around.

Kath: liking what I see, she's making sense and seems to be thinking very logically, if she has an "assignment" I can't figure out what it may be.

Lari: uhm, yeah, still not liking, her banter from Day 1 won't leave my head and since then she just seems so.....so.....I don't even know, this is a gut feeling, though I'm seeing that some attention was brought to her because of her vote yesterDay, I'll need to go check out what happened there more closely.

Mac: not really standing out either way for me, though he seems to be useful, I'm inclined to think well of him

Nienna: she's here and there for me, at times I find her pretty clean at others there's things I don't like, won't be voting for her but will be keeping a close eye on her

Gwath: haha, my personal spell checker I suppose ....I was quite suspicious of him yesterDay, and I still stand by my reasoning, I don't think I'll be voting for him again however, but I still don't trust him...though I like that he puts a capital W on my name

Nilp: wow, so mixed up, I honestly find him amusing, and very odd, but not suspicious, he was added to the game last minute and I honestly believe his role is to mess with our heads

Don't believe I missed anyone.....so that's it for now, I'll be gone for about the next 2.5 hours, ish. Then I should probably be back pretty consistently til the end of the Day.

x'posted since Gwath

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Yes...which I'm sorry for, when I signed up I thought I'd have more time then I actually do, but I'm trying my hardest.

Perhaps, and perhaps you're just taking advantage of the potential excuse I suggested in my post, i.e. busyness. Hmmm.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Kath

when you are around you're just posting nonsense half the time. I'm suspecting you because I don't believe that three people's role requirements would be to post nonsense which seemed to be your argument.

No, that was not my argument. And while I have made a few nonsense posts, saying that half of my posts have no substance is a bit of an exaggeration. While you say you aren't suspecting based on style, you still seem to be suspecting based on behaviour.

[Brinniel]

Nogrod, I agree with you. Not only because of her earlier talk of phantom, but also because she seemed to be one of the more obvious targets for last Night. It makes sense.

I don't think she's on the ducks' side, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's on our side either. But either way, I say it's smartest to leave her alone for now at least.

[Isabellkya]

Hmm.

Could see myself voting for toDay:

Lari - Because she is looking to be guilty of having feathers. Though, I'm slightly disinclined to actually vote for her, since toDay seems like it would be a cop-out for me.

Mac - For the most part, he looks really innocent. The last time I remember him looking this innocent - he was super furry.

Nienna - She is starting to creep me out. I have the feeling she is following people too much.


Maaaybe:

Nerwen - She is probably just an Ordo with a heinous posting requirement of cheerleader. Though her voting of Lommy yesterDay is suspicious.

Brin - She is probably restrained by her posting requirement as well. However, I'm not entirely comfortable in her jump of suspicions against Lommy.


Not so much toDay:

Mith - Eh. She knows things. What and how she knows what she knows, I've no idea. Definitely something funny going on.

Rikae - She knows things. I suspect how and what are different compared to Mith. Again, I've no idea. Another one who is inflicted with funniness.

Nog - He is definitely a Duck. I just don't know if full were or not.


Nah, looking a bit sparkly:

Gwath - Meh. Nothing looks overtly suspicious.

Dury - Same as Gwath.

Kath - Same as Dury.


Nah, no idea:

Fea - She definitely seems to be heavily restrained by her posting requirement. So, she is probably an ordo.

Nilp - He is crazy. Why he would claim to be the Apprentice, then disregard it - not sure.

Wilwa - She is more innocent, but I've still no idea.


X'd since Kath's #708.

[Mithalwen]

Ok need to go but while I don't retract a thing I have said...

++Kath

Sometimes revenge is a dish best served very cold.

[Nogrod]

Bah, I fought with my Firefox for a while and then it went down, but there's always the bad old Explorer...


I do agree with the comments that Rikae looks cobblerish. Looking at the way her posting develops toDay is interesting indeed...

First she tried the card of knowing things others don't - especially knowing something about the "real seer" (what would be more easy to say in a game of frustratingly odd roles left and right?). Then she started calling us to lynch her if we dare to suspect her. And there was no heavy suspecting towards her in between these two first ones.

Then came this which really freaks me out:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Leaving me alive is great - for my side - as you shall see toNight.

Promising to do something so that we should not lynch her toDay - but at the same time remaining incomprehensive, almost threathening.

Later she came back and got more specific by saying she is able to neutralize the efforts of "our worst enemy, in a way, if lucky".

So first it would be great and we could see it toNight - and then it was only possible, in a way, if she got lucky...


So what is she? Not a gifted on our side. No and no. I had this same feeling already on Day1 as you can see if you go back there. But neither do I think she is a member of the duck-trio - or is she just aiming at this kind of reaction? Maybe she is the bad counterpart of Mith who gets her speciality after accomplishing something?

Or maybe she is the cobbler as she feels like being? Confusion, missed energies, possibly wishing to die instead of letting us to get a duck? The cobbler-role(s) sure must be modified as well, so maybe she actually knows something - and is a cobbler at the same time?

Anyway, if she is a cobbler we should probably try to lynch a duck first.

[Macalaure]

Voting time for me.

I still don't have a good feeling about voting Lari, and I don't like it how often she is mentioned. I have some vague picture of Nog, Rikae, and Wilwa, but I don't have any clue about the other two in my unsure group - Nerwen and Nilp. I'd like to lynch them just to find out, but that's not a good idea in general. I'm not entirely sure I'm doing the right thing with this vote either, but it's my best guess:

++Nienna

[Nogrod]

When has Mith changed her sig into this?

Originally Posted by Mith's signatire

... unforseen by even the Valar, good and evil united, and the forces of greyness swept over the lands unchecked, doing deeds of compassion and cruelty far and wide.
And Mithalwen beheld all that was done, and saw that it was good - and evil

Just a freaking idea. Mith - and possibly Rikae as well - are kind of "real neutrals". Not on our side and not on the side of the ducks.

That would make things quite problematic.

And which would be their victory-conditions? "To survive" comes to mind... but I don't think so as they would have played differently then... *confused*

[Isabellkya]

If Mith were neutral - why would she tell us that we could get rid of her after she finds the Ducks? Doesn't seem too neutral to me.

Rikae was talking about a hairbrush earlier in the Day. And her phrasing on "sides" is a bit on the ambiguous ....side.

[Nogrod]

So I seem to have dwelled too long with Mith and Rikae as my time runs out.

Time wasted? Only time will tell.

So what then?

I'd strongly advice against lynching Brinn or Fea.

Or Kath to that matter; she has shown her qualities today (unlike poor Shasta who never rose to the occasion but went on from half-wittedness to babbling nonsense of strange cultures - blessed be his soul now that he is gone).


With Durelin I'm not too confident but as long as she continues to post that much of substance I'd like to have her around. She might make a difference were she a goodie or then got stumbled with her opinions vs. voting record & stuff like that were she a baddie.

The same goes for Mac. Every other time I get really bad vibes from him and on every other he feels sincere...

Isabellkya could go to the same category. I feel a bit more confident of her than with Dury or Mac, but sometimes she strikes me as a cunning duck balancing between being nice and trying to roll the ball towards those I think innocent (myself included - and that's one of the reasons I'm unhappy with my suspicions on her, that they might be based more on my feelings of her thoughts on me than to any actual things).

Of the rest I have little to say on my own as I haven't had time to go and look for them in more detail (the same goes for Izzy in part though).

There seem to be some things that rise an eyebrow to be sure - and I might pick my choice from that last-mentioned crowd as well. I need to think a minute before I vote.

[satansaloser2005]

Noggie, go to bed dang it!

*is now wishing she had gone with the idea of putting Noggie on a curfew, just to be evil*


In other news, I have an announcement to make soon. I'll keep ya posted.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Noggie, go to bed dang it!
...
In other news, I have an announcement to make soon. I'll keep ya posted.

You really think that makes me think "oh, there's nothing of importance coming in, so I should just go to sleep"?

But really, I have to.

So I have to make a choice. I was looking at things said about Lari and Nienna. First I thought I should vote Nienna but then I looked at her last post and realised it looks more sincere than faulty - and it made me wonder again my own convictions about Mith and Kath.

I also see the case against Lari, but now as it comes to it I'm not so sure anymore. It looks like a too easy a choice to be true - and it's not so clear she's a baddie if you look at her lists etc.

But then I came to think about this.

Nilp has not offered too much anything in a way of actually saying something and could be hiding behind that clownery - and I oppose his lists almost totally (eg. he must have evil intentions as I couldn't be that wrong ) + he voted on Day3 like out of thin air! One should have something to go on on Day3, please!

So it looks more like deliberate "avoiding controversies and staying behind a mask" -tactics than just toying around as an ordo with nothing to do (there are no such persons in this game - and to require Nilp to play a jester is like asking water to be moist and call it psychological pressuring of water...).

++ Nilp

[Nerwen]

YIPPEEEEE! There ARE posts!

This weird thing happened– I brought up the "Mirth page" and it was like, "Last post: Nerwen".

And I'm like, NOOOOO! Nobody's playing anymore!!!

But now it's okay!!!! I'm so happyyyyyy!

*off to read*

[Durelin]

I'm inclined to ignore Rikae right now because I know she wants to be lynched. Besides, she's fun to have around when she's like this. Her vague suggestions of extra knowledge and dangerous powers seem very much like she's just having fun...but as she's said herself, she's not on our side... Really considering this game in general I wonder if we should worry about her a bit more than we'd usually be inclined to...

I agree that Mith should not be lynched toDay. I am not sure why she's still being vague, but obviously she does not have a straightforward role. Pretty typical, eh?

Originally Posted by Mith

All I ask is that I am not lynched while I am still delivering ducks for the village. I can't prove I am not bluffing but even if it were a bluff why not profit from it while you can?

I suppose you can't tell us how you are able to 'deliver' ducks to us, either? I don't know how many people voted for Lommy following your lead yesterDay and I don't know how many will follow your lead toDay. I voted for Lommy because I actually found her guilty. Granted, I find Nienna rather suspicious, too, and you mentioned her earlier as your target. So we'll see, eh?

Originally Posted by Izzy

Mac - For the most part, he looks really innocent. The last time I remember him looking this innocent - he was super furry.

Hehe, oh I remember that. His Day 1 behavior was a little inconsistent, but I can see what you mean.

Originally Posted by Gwath

Wilwarin, to me, seems to be either an ordo who is very busy and doesn't have the time to put extensive thought into this game, or a wereduck who is trying to avoid suspicion by being non-comittal and low-key.

Indeed. Nienna seems the same way to me. I find Nienna more suspicious only because I recall wilwa came across this way to me last game, as well.

Lari has been quite similarly non-comittal and on the edge of things, and her vote looks really bad. Maybe too bad, considering.

(Edit: crossed with everyone since Mith's vote...and oookay, I guess she changed targets.)

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Just a freaking idea. Mith - and possibly Rikae as well - are kind of "real neutrals". Not on our side and not on the side of the ducks.

Originally Posted by Izzy

If Mith were neutral - why would she tell us that we could get rid of her after she finds the Ducks? Doesn't seem too neutral to me.

Maybe Mith is the postulated good cobbler and Rikae the bad cobbler.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Maybe Mith is the postulated good cobbler and Rikae the bad cobbler.

But if Mith had such a power she possibly had last Night, then God forbid what powers the bad cobbler might have! And Rikae told us there would be some fireworks the next Night if she was left alive toDay and that it would be good for her side...

Looking back how insistent Rikae has been on lynching Mith from Day1 I'm now getting more confident those two might be a pair of some kind with weird cababilities.

This is getting both interesting and complicated... and I need some sleep shortly.

[Isabellkya]

Ahahaha.
I wonder if Rikae searches for the Hunter ... and "neutralizes" them - taking away their ability to hunt.


*off to pontificate more to self*


X'd with Dury.