WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[satansaloser2005]

Everyone has EITHER a role OR some kind of posting requirement. Most have both, but not everyone does. Some people's role dictates how they behave, while others have....well, let's just say cracked out instructions. The point of the game was that no one was just a standard role or an ordo who could float through the game.


And please stop telling people if you don't have a posting requirement/that you do and what it is. Posting requirements (such as volume level or other crap) have nothing to do with a person's role and are just to make the game more random. The fact that someone does or does not have a posting requirement has no bearing on their alignment.


That is all. Well, not quite, but I must pop out for a second, so that's all for now.

[Kath]

Ooh and there we have the first real misunderstanding of the game! It does seem to be due to the language barrier again I think - there wouldn't have been half such a strong reaction if Nogrod hadn't used the word 'lie'. Lets just watch that a little.

Now I have to vote soon because I need to get to bed. I'm going to have a wander through the thread, see if I can think of anything.

My only comment right now is that I'm a little worried about a Day 1 vote for Gwath. I know his playing style is irritating but how many times has he been lynched early recently - if we're giving newbies a bit of leeway I think we should do the same for him.

I'm thinking something similar about Nog actually. This time especially it seems suspicion against him is based around that unfortunate comment.

[satansaloser2005]

Lynch Gwath toDay and I'll modfire the lot of you. Only applies to toDay, but I'm sick of the poor kid lynched at the start of the game. He lives through the Day. (And no, I really won't modfire the lot of you, but I'd appreciate it if you don't kill him on the first Day.) Manage to lynch Phantom and I'll send you all cookies.


That is all! *cheery face* Oh wait, I lied.



One of the people in our youth group just had a baby so tonight instead of having normal youth service we're going to go see her and her spawn. I shouldn't be gone past the deadline, but in case I am I'm trusting all of you to stop posting at 10pm and be good little minions until I get back. Just to let you know so you don't wonder why the Day's not being called.


K. THAT is all. Enjoy!

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lynch Gwath toDay and I'll modfire the lot of you.

Ha ha. What now, village?

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Ha ha. What now, village?

Lynch you toMorrow?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nilp

LYNCH ME.

Ha. My guess is that Nilp isn't allowed to self-vote.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Ha. My guess is that Nilp isn't allowed to self-vote.

That's child's play. I'd rather have you lynch me.

[Lariren Shadow]

I don't really have a lot of time so here is just a plain list:
Guilty:
Shasta
Wilwa
Dury
Izzy
Nerwen
Rikae
Lommy
Kath
Nienna

Not Guilty:
Fea
Brinn
Mira
Nog
Mith
Legate
Gwath
Bubbles
Nilp

Therefore I am voting

++Durelin

[Isabellkya]

I really don't understand what all this fuss in relation to Nog is about. He has some quite sensible points, and for the most part I think I've understood what he is saying. Though, it seems where any misinterpretation has come in - has been in possible ambiguous statements in relation to roles and what have you.

I think I get why he used LoTR as the "roles". Instead of just saying roles over again, and possibly getting it confused with assignments/obligations/posting requirements... etc. Then again, now he says he is a LoTR character? Well, it could be true... why not? We know we have wereducks... but what are the "names" of the other roles? Would they just be Seer, Ranger, Cobbler.. etc?


Meh. I've got to get back to peeling potatoes and eggs now.


X'd with Brinn, Lari and Nog.

[Isabellkya]

Ah. I see now. Makes sense.

[Kath]

Oh now having just seen sally's post I want to vote phantom! I said we should earlier and now I have mod approval. And the promise of cookies!

Other than phantom I would be tempted to vote Brinn. Haven't seen a huge amount from her since all the randomness - could be due to RL stuff but not sure.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. I don't like Kath, but that's just the typical way she always unnerves me.
Fea may be normal, looks normal, more or less, this far not any bad, really.
Brinniel I am not sure of, there was something sinister in there.
wilwarin538 looks more or less sensible, as well as Shastanis Althreduin and to an extent, Durelin. Isabellkya too.
Nogrod is just Nogrod. Mith looked normal, too. Lommy as well, to the point that it makes me wonder a bit.

Mirandir is one of the crazies posting four pages about nothing, eh?
Nerwen is the craziest person possible, I won't be surprised if that was a Duck.
Rikae was weird. Mac was weird. Lari is somebody. Nienna as well. Gwathagor. Nilp. I like the last one. Where is he? Is he around? Had he posted? I didn't notice.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Everyone has EITHER a role OR some kind of posting requirement. Most have both, but not everyone does. Some people's role dictates how they behave, while others have....well, let's just say cracked out instructions. The point of the game was that no one was just a standard role or an ordo who could float through the game.

Okay. Thanks.

Oh my. These situations suck always. Whether to speak openly or to tactically try to shut up and hope the baddies don't connect the dots?

What Sally just said cleared a few things but her announcement also gave us some clear guidelines to what some people are not and I do not believe all the Ducks here are that stupid they shouldn't read the following from her words. Also in this game I think one needs to talk as the conventional tactics might be so wrong anyway. And I'm a bit tired with all this nonsense anyway.

So let's talk this out.

If everyone has something (role and/or a requirement) so as not to make any plain ordos in this game it means that:

- most people have both a role and a requirement to do something
- those that have no role must have a requirement of sorts
- there are people with only a role but not a requirement

Rikae's reactions I can now find the most curious. She probably has a role and - as someone intelligent as she is and if being gifted - she would not have reacted that way. I thought already before Sally's revelation that her vote for me was a wolvish reaction/retaliation (especially as she is able to come back later and talk herself out of it if necessary whereas I need to go to sleep for toDay in an instant - so the unnecessarily early vote was very convenient indeed - and the way she had to add the framing of the "age-old feud" between us which I think is more than a bit overexaggerating it), but this kind of makes me more positive of it.

The ranger(s) should now think carefully as Sally's reveal might bear consequences.

[Mithalwen]

Well it is time I went and I hope to be more use later in the game - this really did catch me on the hop. I will resist the temptation to vote Kath (unfinished wereduck business), Nogrod (old times sake) or Fea (mercy killing - whatever she is having to do she is hating it.

So with the exemptions given earlier and the Gwath veto...

++Lariren Shadow

Far to chatty in a slightly manic way - huge post count .... unnerving. Nothin better to go on for now.

[Kath]

Alright, I'm going to go with:

++BRINN

Because that's a more useful if less fun vote than phantom. I don't know whether she might have RL reasons for having posted little other than bater recently but I can't hang around to see if she reappears with more later.

[Nogrod]

I'm torn apart just as I would have to vote.

I suspect Rikae quite a bit but am not sure if it is enough to lynch someone who does not speak nonsense all the time.

I still suspect Dury and am in confusion how to look at her more consiliatory tone of late; whether it speaks good or evil of her.

I would be more than happy to lynch the phantom as Kath proposed but sadly that would not help us even a tiny little bit.

I am drawn to vote for one of our nonsensers as well. If we have a game of talking and suspecting we should all play it. That would include at least Lari, Mira and Brinn. From those belonging to the same group I'd refrain from voting for Mith (it looks like she is not in this game wholeheartedly), Gwath (like Sally said; too many speedy lynches to be fair to him) and Nienna (first game benefit of doubt).

EDIT: x'd from my last one

[Mithalwen]

Now I am in I will give it as much attention as I can... but my heart.... is with the Phantom and lynching him will hurt me more than him

[Brinniel]

Garr, I got a vote because I was in class all day? I'm here now, though I can't promise I'll post too much. Keep in mind that Tuesday-Thursday, I'm gone for at least eight hours of the day, not to mention I've had a really frustrating week which has put me in a sour/stressed out mood. I only got three hours of sleep last night...

[Brinniel]

Okay, due to this behaviour modification, we really need to watch how we vote. That means we shouldn't vote for someone because they're too chatty, don't post enough, act annoying, etc. You never know...it could be a modification assignment. Instead, we should suspect/lynch based on who and what reasons players suspect one another. Going in that direction is more likely going to catch us a were-duck rather than just examining posting style, lack of serious participation, etc. In fact, I think it may be smart to carefully look at those who do choose to vote for someone based only on behaviour.

I'm glad Sally rejected a possible Gwath since I don't think it'd be fair for him to be lynched toDay after being wrongfully lynched on Day 1 last game. I won't vote Nogrod toDay either since I promised not to and too long have I been responsible for his death.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Okay, due to this behaviour modification, we really need to watch how we vote. That means we shouldn't vote for someone because they're too chatty, don't post enough, act annoying, etc. You never know...it could be a modification assignment. Instead, we should suspect/lynch based on who and what reasons players suspect one another. Going in that direction is more likely going to catch us a were-duck rather than just examining posting style, lack of serious participation, etc. In fact, I think it may be smart to carefully look at those who do choose to vote for someone based only on behaviour.

Hear! Hear! That was really sensible.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Instead, we should suspect/lynch based on who and what reasons players suspect one another.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Hear! Hear! That was really sensible.

Unless you have an obligation to protect someone and/or attack someone else because of what your "role" * is...

I don't like the way too many of you look like trying to fool others or act like total ignorants... Sally wished to make this insane, and I think there are people around who don't know whether the alliances / feuds you have been ordered to make are clear (eg. you don't know whether people you should defend or like/dislike LotR-wise are good or not in-gamewise, and vice versa).

Why are you guys hiding? You have a role? It looks like most of us have. Don't hide behind it. If you all act like a "ducking away" gifted there will be no game but just a lottery! We all have secrets so let's play with this rare chance of gaming full-steam!

You're not that important, anyone of you alone, when we all have some roles to fill!

*Role in this sense of whether you're Aragorn, Gandalf, Hama, Frodo... whatever; and who is your LotR friend or enemy.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Garr, I got a vote because I was in class all day? I'm here now, though I can't promise I'll post too much. Keep in mind that Tuesday-Thursday, I'm gone for at least eight hours of the day, not to mention I've had a really frustrating week which has put me in a sour/stressed out mood. I only got three hours of sleep last night...

*hugs*

and just fyi i student teach all day so i apologize for the large gaps in my posting and that also means that i must accomplish sleep.

So far it seems like a lot of people are accusing a lot of other people based on very little considering there has only been one day's worth of posting. After toNight we should know much more or even after voting toDay. I'm going to read back through and see if i can come up with anything concrete and if not i'll probably be voting based on gut feelings.

X-ed with everyone since the Brinn quote

[Durelin]

So, about those who have been voted so far...

Nogrod bothers me but I do not think he is of evil sorts.

Lari seems like a fine choice, really. I'd like to give her a chance to do some more posting toDay, though. So far she's been pretty much all banter, and one thing in one of her few substantial posts bothered me:

Originally Posted by Lari

Clearly we are a trio of were-librarians...I feel an idea for a WW game coming on...

Or we were all hanously bored at work so we kept going on this. Or two of us where hanously bored, goaded on by the third and one of us actually has to post banter and nothing else. You don't know. Maybe all of us have to post only banter and nothing serious.

Did you really feel the need to defend yourself from my nonsensical summary? That's pretty odd.

Brinniel so far has been on the edge of everything, and I'm not sure what to think of her. I see she's around now, though, and really has some good things to say. Except that I have no idea how we're ever to vote for someone except based on their behavior...you can base it purely on who votes for whom but is that necessarily separate of their behavior... An easy vote at the time...

So Gwath. I wish he was...um...around, but...Mac's vote really bothers me. Okay, 'random' Day 1 vote (though people always claim it's never random - watch me!), but...

Originally Posted by Mac

There are some people for who I could justify a vote for, but I don't feel extremely comfortable with either. I think I'll vote for someone who only bantered so far. It's Nienna's first game and Miri told us she will post something worthwhile later, so they're off the hook. Unless I'm forgetting someone, this leaves Brinn and Gwath.

Just a funny way of going about it. Just say it's random, or try a little harder to rationalize it. And you know, Fea and Nilp's contribution to the game has been about the same as Gwath's and Brinniel's, Fea just slightly higher in post count, so I'm not sure why they were not included in your options.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Garr, I got a vote because I was in class all day? I'm here now, though I can't promise I'll post too much. Keep in mind that Tuesday-Thursday, I'm gone for at least eight hours of the day, not to mention I've had a really frustrating week which has put me in a sour/stressed out mood. I only got three hours of sleep last night...

Ah, that would explain the incredibly terse posts.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

but my heart.... is with the Phantom and lynching him will hurt me more than him

What's happened to you lately? Have you consulted a doctor?


Of those "banterers only" I could vote for, I can only say the following right now.

Mirandir seems to have been the "lynch her!" - person. Calling a lynch for anything and all the time - jokingly of course - but still that seems to have been her modus operandi. I do not think she is a good-willed person but probably a cobbler more than a wereduck/-goose whatever.

Lari has made some interesting things after that banter-phase, like this speculation of a "good-cobbler" which Mac questioned for a reason. I think her explanation of that as a goodie who has more than one vote looks quite terribly fabricated (there was that kind of role earlier but that was not a cobbler) - and in a way something she possibly felt she had to come up with when she thought she was in trouble being questioned. That is no cobbler. Cobbler is something and wants to do the other thing.

The best possibility of a good cobbler I could come up with is one who wants to look foul but to make the case of the goodies behind that foul-mask (and that would require some extraordinary game-mechanics where the trust of the wolves could pay off to the good-cobbler and the village - maybe I'll include one in my next game from this idea?).

But her later idea about her, Nienna and Mira being together with a task from Day2 on looks even more weird. Like she wanted to press the indistinguishability of the three from each other. A wolf would love to make that impression: I am something these two are as well... and we're indistinguishable anyway we three? So you can't choose...

Brinn I really don't know what to say about her. She hasn't basically made any sense and she is one who should be able to do that. *Huge disappointment* I know she's the master-deceiver and manages to look innocent everytime - but she has also been unduly lynched for that a many times. And to get personal: she has been responsible of killing me in quite a many games lately far too early. *bad girl!* (takes back a bit after seeing her last post)

Need to think a minute about this all.

Where are you guys? There are gazillions of people in the invisible mode online but only a few post here so many of you must be around!

Many people have a role eg. they won't post as not to be suspected. Just check who could post and who is not doing it and make your calculations from that toMorrow. (meaning Mith is innocent as well as Brinn - possibly - and what about Legate, Lommy... bad! Unless they come up with a huge post in the near future explaining their silence right now with the fact that they are doing great tasks taking all their attention for hours).

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

and what about Legate, Lommy... bad! Unless they come up with a huge post in the near future explaining their silence right now with the fact that they are doing great tasks taking all their attention for hours).

Does talking to each other on MSN count?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Does talking to each other on MSN count?

I don't want to get a tough with this as Mith did the last time around but there is actually something that kind of is bad for the game there.

Not that people shouldn't socialise at all when a game is underway but when people interact privately while a game is on there is a feeling of... Well, hard to say.

I know we have lived under a same roof during weekends while a game has been on but that's a bit different. Or then I'm just an oldie not seeing the exact similarity.

Whatever. I have no time for this discussion anyway as I need to wake up quite early and I need to decide on my vote like now (2AM here).

So just to make a mild protest.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What's happened to you lately? Have you consulted a doctor?

Well Nogrod, you see, I am not quite myself at the moment, but it is pointless to consult a cardiologist or even a psychiatrist as there is no cure known to medicine. Woe is me....


Your early vote is a bit of a change too....

Well I have had a quick read through and what a lot has happened. I need to digest have a think another quick read and drive 20 miles to a cyber cafe so I shall be gone a little while and back for a long one. I shall not be idle.

[the phantom]

I've gotta fever! And the only prescription... is more Mithalwen.