Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Rikae]

Bah. I have to go, no time to catch up, but I'll be back later. There's one thing I'ld like to ask, though.
Sally, why did you put on that hunter show yesterDay? Did you have a reason, or was it just random....?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Sally, why did you put on that hunter show yesterDay? Did you have a reason, or was it just random....?

She had, I think, a reason.

I'm just not settled on which. I'm thinking, and willing to assume, that she wanted to see who would react, and how. I definitely don't think she's a wolf. She's cocky and gutsy, but rarely suicidal unless she's already considered a goner. Which she wasn't. She was up to something, I'm sure of it. Sal, is it too soon to tell us?

The phantom: everybody's going to kill me for saying this, but I figure he's probably been dreamed of. With eight dreams available over the past few Nights, I can't imagine the White- hang on, I just idiotically realized that Brinn just did this. Anyway... I concur with Brinn's statement.

Durelin I think is downright evil, based on the fact that I think Brinn is right about who was dreamed of by Kath, and just yesterday Durelin spent all this time saying that Sally and the phantom were blacker than black. Either she was ironically oblivious, or Durelin was trying to cause trouble. If she guessed Kath was the seer (which if she's a wolf, it seems fair to assume, since the wolves killed Kath...), she might have wanted the village to kill off 'known' innocents before finding out they were known.

++Durelin.

Dury, defend yourself.

[satansaloser2005]

Mnemo is ill. She will try to return to the game as soon as she feels like opening her computer, which she hopes will be sometime this afternoon/evening. That is all.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

She had, I think, a reason.

I'm just not settled on which. I'm thinking, and willing to assume, that she wanted to see who would react, and how. I definitely don't think she's a wolf. She's cocky and gutsy, but rarely suicidal unless she's already considered a goner. Which she wasn't. She was up to something, I'm sure of it. Sal, is it too soon to tell us?

The phantom: everybody's going to kill me for saying this, but I figure he's probably been dreamed of. With eight dreams available over the past few Nights, I can't imagine the White- hang on, I just idiotically realized that Brinn just did this. Anyway... I concur with Brinn's statement.

Durelin I think is downright evil, based on the fact that I think Brinn is right about who was dreamed of by Kath, and just yesterday Durelin spent all this time saying that Sally and the phantom were blacker than black. Either she was ironically oblivious, or Durelin was trying to cause trouble. If she guessed Kath was the seer (which if she's a wolf, it seems fair to assume, since the wolves killed Kath...), she might have wanted the village to kill off 'known' innocents before finding out they were known.

++Durelin.

Dury, defend yourself.

Great minds, hun. Great minds.

I'm not commenting on which players Kath may have dreamed, but in my book Phantom and I are not black players. Add to that the fact that I found Durie sort of suspicious from the beginning, on a hunch but still suspicious, also adds to my willingness to vote her. Her vote for Phantom yesterDay and then her reluctance to break the tie between what we (sort of) know were at least three innocents doesn't make her look any shinier.

[the phantom]

Just checking in briefly before I begin my daily chess board mopping duties (i.e. going to work- but it'll be fun today, I'm taking some kids to the circus!).

Very little has happened over night, and unfortunately I don't really have time to stir up any discussion at this time. But perhaps the Dury vote will do that. I'll see where we're at when I return.

[Durelin]

I've never been lynched as a wolf (or any werecreature for that matter), and that's not going to change.

Originally Posted by Sally

Her vote for Phantom yesterDay and then her reluctance to break the tie between what we (sort of) know were at least three innocents doesn't make her look any shinier.

But we don't know for sure. We can't. And we certainly didn't know a thing yesterDay.

And who did you break the tie with - someone we definitely know is innocent, so you really can't use that logic against me, dear.

Originally Posted by Fea

Either she was ironically oblivious, or Durelin was trying to cause trouble.

This is why I always regret playing these days.

I'm glad you all knew who the seer was and exactly whom she dreamed of. As if it really seems that way, with your voting records.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Durelin

I've never been lynched as a wolf (or any werecreature for that matter), and that's not going to change.



But we don't know for sure. We can't. And we certainly didn't know a thing yesterDay.

And who did you break the tie with - someone we definitely know is innocent, so you really can't use that logic against me, dear.



This is why I always regret playing these days.

I'm glad you all knew who the seer was and exactly whom she dreamed of. As if it really seems that way, with your voting records.

Point by point of this post.


Yes, but there's a first time for everything, love. Don't get cocky, the Black Queen could still get you. Unless of course you are the Black Queen, in which case the Bishop and Knight could still get you.

Very true, but I'm confident in the alignment/role of two of those players and one has been confirmed for all of us. I'm not saying I made the right choice, but I did make the best choice at the time. And I can use that logic, as mine was a misled, incorrect but well-meant innocent lynch, whereas you could have been orchestrating the thing all along. Not saying you were, but it's a possibility. And, if it would have helped the village, I'd have switched to myself yesterDay if it prevented the lynch of an innocent. But it wouldn't have. Besides, I was hardly going to kill Phantom, and between Hansy and Izzy he looked the most skittish and evil.

Awwww, don't despair. We still love you, you lovely little lupine, you.

As it happens....never mind. And yes, my voting record. Voted to save an innocent Gwath, voted to save a gifted Noggie, and then sadly voted to kill an innocent Hansy, though I didn't know that at the time and my secondary goals were to protect the more innocent looking lynchees. So 2/3 (3/3 in motive) lynches in favor of the village wellbeing looks absolutely horrible, I agree.


EDIT: Off to class. Back in an hour, though it might be just to check in before I go to work. I'll let you know either way.

[wilwarin538]

Wow, so I find myself greatly confused, Brinn's post about Kath's possible dreams seems to make some sense, but Sally and phantom's reactions to are really mixing me up.

Anyway, I'm gonna go back and read everything that happened toDay, again. See what I can try to figure out. I'll probably only get the chance to post once more, and my vote will be quite early.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Fea

If she guessed Kath was the seer (which if she's a wolf, it seems fair to assume, since the wolves killed Kath...)

Considering phantom bragged yesterDay about knowing who the seer was, this doesn't seem like a very good argument.

You're so wrong again, Fea, but this time at least you have a bit better reasoning...so maybe this time you're actually a wolf.

Originally Posted by phantom

You don't realize what you've done, Brin.

But you will soon enough.

Enough of that. Come out and say things if you're going to continue behaving so high and mightily. You too, Sally.

I think it's been pretty obvious this entire game that I have no clue what's going on. Why? Because I'm one of those helpless (white) pawns trying not to be manipulated too much.

Sally and phantom are cobbler lovers. That's the only explanation I can come up with for you two.

[Rikae]

Ok, wow.

I think I just figured something out.

Somebody was interestingly specific about something, both yesterDay and toDay. If my interpretation is correct, the Black Knight should be toast. Why don't we toast xem now, then? *gets marshmallow roasting stick* Why take a risk on xem protecting xemself toNight?

The explanation I can think of for what I saw makes sense of a few puzzles. If you convince me I'm right, you have my sword*.

*voting support

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Ok, wow.

I think I just figured something out.

Somebody was interestingly specific about something, both yesterDay and toDay. If my interpretation is correct, the Black Knight should be toast. Why don't we toast xem now, then? *gets marshmallow roasting stick* Why take a risk on xem protecting xemself toNight?

The explanation I can think of for what I saw makes sense of a few puzzles. If you convince me I'm right, you have my sword*.

*voting support

I'm wondering if you're saying what I think you're saying.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Fea

Durelin I think is downright evil, based on the fact that I think Brinn is right about who was dreamed of by Kath, and just yesterday Durelin spent all this time saying that Sally and the phantom were blacker than black. Either she was ironically oblivious, or Durelin was trying to cause trouble. If she guessed Kath was the seer (which if she's a wolf, it seems fair to assume, since the wolves killed Kath...), she might have wanted the village to kill off 'known' innocents before finding out they were known.

Really, is that a good enough reasoning alone to vote for Dury? Just because some players caught onto Kath doesn't mean everyone would've...and if everyone had, then Kath would've been a rather poor seer, which I don't think she was. And for one thing, while I did have a slight suspicion that Kath might be the seer, I didn't let my opinion be swayed based only on that reasoning. There were only a couple of things that made me think Kath was seerish, one being her comment about not wanting to get Night killed (though really that could've been any non-ordo) and the comments she made about Nogrod that I noticed only after his death. I didn't see her hints about tp and Sally being innocent until after her death because I didn't bother to look. Yes, I had a small suspicion that Kath was seer, but usually I'm very wrong about these things and could've easily been again. It'd be a very bad idea to assume that just because she looks seerish that she is the seer, and therefore a bad idea to just assume that the other two were innocent as well. Because if I were wrong and she turned out evil, then my judgement of everyone else would be horribly off.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get to is that Durelin could've really been completely oblivious to Kath, or even if she did notice Kath looked seerish doesn't mean she'd let her hinted dreams (which she may not have even caught onto) off the hook just because of that in case Kath wasn't the seer. Of course it's possible that Dury is in fact a baddie; I'm really not sure of what her role may be. But for Fea to vote for her based only on that reason is very weak.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Considering phantom bragged yesterDay about knowing who the seer was, this doesn't seem like a very good argument.

Oh yeah, I was going to ask phantom:

So were you right all along about who the seer was?

Of course, to keep up his reputation I'm sure he'll answer yes regardless of whether he's telling the truth or not.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

I'm glad you all knew who the seer was and exactly whom she dreamed of. As if it really seems that way, with your voting records.

Due to the fact that it seemed apparent that the White Seer had dreamed only of innocents, her votes were not binding. As I was in no way attempting to personify the role of Seer, I felt no reason to mirror her actions, and was consequently free to follow my own intuition.

This statement you've made is ridiculous: suggesting that we should mimic the votes of somebody who doesn't know who is evil is suggesting the same as if you said we should all bandwagon with the opinion of a newbie ordo. Either way is a cop out. Don't bother defending yourself if your defense is simply weak mud-slinging.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Really, is that a good enough reasoning alone to vote for Dury?

Yes. Yes it is.

I will not recant my vote today. It simply isn't going to happen.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Fea

This statement you've made is ridiculous: suggesting that we should mimic the votes of somebody who doesn't know who is evil is suggesting the same as if you said we should all bandwagon with the opinion of a newbie ordo. Either way is a cop out. Don't bother defending yourself if your defense is simply weak mud-slinging.

That's your argument against me, hon, thrown right back at you. Sorry you don't like it.

[Durelin]

Basically you're suggesting that I "should have known better", but instead voted for people we think the seer might have dreamed innocent, so therefore I am evil.

I'd call that mudslinging -- that I am either "too stupid" to haved recognized who the seer was and who they dreamed of, or I am a wolf. And either reason is a good one to vote for me.

Bleh. I need to stop wasting my time. Maybe I'll be back later. I'll at least come back to vote, don't worry about that.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

That's your argument against me, hon, thrown right back at you. Sorry you don't like it.

No. Your rebuttal states that I should have voted for who the Seer voted for. Which is foolish when the Seer was voting on hunch just like everybody else.

My accusation states that you were intentionally trying to kill the people the Seer was hinting were innocent.

Major difference being, I was trying to kill wolves, and you were trying to lynch innocents.