Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by phantom

That depends on the mod, m'dear. I know that when Eomer was a Hunter in my game, his instructions were something like "Any time you want to kill someone, pm me." And it didn't matter if the WWs had already sent me their "kill Eomer" pm. If that Night phase hadn't ended yet, he could still change his pick.

Yeah that is true, I guess it wouldn't surprise me if the hunter's allowed to change his kill. Though at the same time I don't think Shasta would be like, "Oh btw, you're gonna die toNight so if you want to change your hunt choice you better do it now."

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Sally

Excuse me?

What's the matter, dear? Am I wrong about you?

[the phantom]

Oooh. Somebody just got put into a tough spot.

[the phantom]

You don't realize what you've done, Brin.

But you will soon enough.

[Mnemosyne]

...Well, there go my analyses.

Though sally is still acting remarkably cobblerish.

Problem is, it was so freakishly spontaneous!

So, for those of us who are not-known but innocent, we have 3 known innocents on our hands. (Well, maybe one cobbler)

Which means that of the others, 2 are also innocent, one is our dearly beloved WQ, and 3 are killers.

And if sally and phantom aren't cobblers, that makes our chances even better.

[Isabellkya]

Oi to manipulation.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I think -again, I think- what he means is that we kill a wolf toDay, the Black Queen kills the remaining wolf and the Bishop kills the Black Queen. Since they made their kills on the same Night they would both count. It'd be weird though.

I don't think it'll happen though. I think there's only one way to end the game toNight, and I don't like it, so I won't even suggest it.

Ah. I would've thought that if that were the case; then it would go down to whomever submitted their name first. So I suppose it is ultimately up to the Mod hosting.

Mnemosyne, how do you figure we have three known innocents?

It may just be me. But it seems like most people (so far who've posted,) are under the impression that everyone had spotted Kath as the seer. Therefore, everyone should be on the same page with knowledge and thoughts.

I get the feeling that some are wrongly utilizing the benefits of hindsight. What I mean by this, is that you are using what we know now; and twisting it to mean that you've known it all along - or for awhile. Even if some of you had spotted the seer, I don't see how that really makes a huge difference. Yes, you may have spotted her - but that doesn't mean she was/is infallible. That you should forgo looking for baddies, while waiting for her to hand you a name on a silver platter.

It also may just be me, but the tone amongst some whom have claimed to of spotted the seer seems to be akin to - "I spotted her, therefore I'm a known innocent. Play catch up, and listen."

Anywhoo. I'm here. Though it is almost noon my time; so I'll be going away for lunch.

X'd since Fea's #663

[Rikae]

Oh yeah, on the werebear-and-wolves-killing-each-other thing:

I don't remember which, but I'm fairly sure I played a game in which two baddies attacked each other by night and both died. Call it the gingham wolf and calico bear phenomenon.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

But it seems like most people (so far who've posted,) are under the impression that everyone had spotted Kath as the seer. Therefore, everyone should be on the same page with knowledge and thoughts.

No, no no no no no no.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying it was so obvious that everybody should have noticed, because let's face it: not everybody is as perceptive as I am. ()

What I am trying to say is that I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the wolves had no idea just who they were killing last night, and chose their kill on whim thinking, "Hey, maybe we might get lucky." Wolves don't kill that way. With the White Hunter off the map, the wolves really don't need to be picky about who they kill at night, apart from not wanting to draw attention to themselves which even if they did draw attention to themselves, they could always yell that they're being framed.

What I'm saying is that the wolves had to have some idea that Kath, the seer, was the seer, and that if they knew that before the Night phase, then they had to have a decent idea who she'd dreamed of. If they didn't guess who she'd dreamed of, how would they even suspect her as the seer?

You don't look at somebody and say, "Wow, xe seems pretty sure of no player in particular. I think xe's on to something." You look at somebody and goes, "Wow, xe has repeatedly defended this player, has defended this player almost as much, starting the next day, and just started defending this player. Maybe xe, based on this pyramid pattern, might be the Seer."

The wolves must have guessed she was the Seer, and if so, what I am saying isn't that everybody was in the know, I'm saying that the wolves had insight that would have colored their action.

And if the wolves thought that Kath had dreamed of the phantom and Sally, then take a look at when Durelin spends so much time saying how evil the phantom and Sally are.

It absolutely reeks of trying to do away with players that we all now know are innocent.

I repeat, I'm not trying to say everybody should have or did notice any of this.

I'm saying that I noticed it, and that I cannot believe that the wolves, who killed our Seer, had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

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And sorry if I come off as brash, I'm just running on all cylinders, totally manic, and I'm like... energized. I've been rearranging furniture, and I just glazed pottery, and I'm going to make this Caribbean stew I've never made for supper, and just- I'm typing mad fast without editing, so this is me just being wildly inspired by this really amazing lecture I listened to today.

Seriously, life-altering lecture.

[Durelin]

So now you're kinda basing all your arguments against me on the assumption that I am a wolf. But really I guess that's just how this game works.

Originally Posted by Fea

It absolutely reeks of trying to do away with players that we all now know are innocent.

We do? And as this implies - we did? The baddies, the woles in particular, are the ones with the most information on innocents, ya know.

I don't really think you're a baddie. Not really. I'm hardly an important lynch. I might be/seem like an easy lynch at this point, though, I don't know.

Anyway. Your argument has been made, my somewhat of a (rash at times) counter-argument has been made. So let's move on. There are more people left than it feels like there are. You know what I mean?

wilwa's very under-the-radar. Rikae's been rather calm this game (though she's also just been busy)...should we be worried? I kinda want Rikae to be the Black Queen.

Izzy still hasn't managed to get lynched.

Brinniel, Mnemo...they're those types that people keep saying "wellll, I'm worried about them, but..." and that has never come to anything. They both feel rather innocent to me, but I do tend to be wrong.

Sally and phantom need to stop acting like wizardy cobblery types. Though I expect one of them really is our cobbler. I think phantom, and sally is just sally but eh, who cares. Basically I'll probably be completely ignoring them both.