Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Mnemosyne]

Can we just shut up about any special voting powers the WQ may or may not have and start suspecting already?

...Yeah, I'm no longer torn.

phantom, the longer you keep this up the worse you look.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Perhaps when I and others do analysis and offer possibilities and such, we're well aware that the WereBeasts are reading them and looking for ideas, and perhaps we're not saying everything we think and/or know in order to mislead them.

I know. There are a number of things that I'm not surprised haven't been brought up.

At the same time, WereBeasts are allowed to keep their own counsel, have already discussed this among themselves (unless they're the Queen) and they know (although you may be the cobbler) that you're not one of them. I know you have a high opinion of yourself, but how much good do you really think you're doing?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Dur

the phantom - I think he's being subtly bold. Kath said "he's too laid back, too not involved to be something important" and that's basically why I suspect him a bit. I think the manipulating will come when it needs to, and otherwise he's playing it cool. But what does that mean? Not sure.

Originally Posted by Dur

Remember how I said the manipulating would come? Well look what happened yesterDay!

And I manipulated how? I was barely around in the final stretch. Only one Nog vote came from me, and technically it shouldn't have been enough to accomplish a lynch. I wish I knew what manipulation you are trying to credit me with, because truthfully I consider it a compliment when somebody tells me I have successfully manipulated people. Explain your compliment please, Dur.

Originally Posted by Dur

Even if I'm wrong, and he's not a werecreature, he deserves it for all this saving people nonsense.

Really? It's bad to save people?

Now, if Fea and Izzy are Wolves then perhaps you have something, but I'm thinking they're not. Quite strongly. And for all you know those two are the White Queen and White Bishop, so would you still suspect me for saving them if that is the truth? Sorry dear, but not a great case. Though I promise if those two turn out to be bad that I will be lynched quietly without a fight.

Originally Posted by Dur

was protected by phantom the Black Knight (*points to arrow icon*)?

The arrow icon shows up in every post I've ever made on the Downs.

EDIT: punc

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mnem

I know you have a high opinion of yourself, but how much good do you really think you're doing?

We'll find out when this is all over. I'm pretty certain I've already done one rather good thing, but we'll see.

EDIT: wrong person quote

[the phantom]

Nearly forgot...

++Mith

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by phantom

And I manipulated how? I was barely around in the final stretch. Only one Nog vote came from me, and technically it shouldn't have been enough to accomplish a lynch. I wish I knew what manipulation you are trying to credit me with, because truthfully I consider it a compliment when somebody tells me I have successfully manipulated people. Explain your compliment please, Dur.

The whole "oh, is poor Izzy doomed" thing. Trying to save people at the last minute for no apparent reason is manipulating. The "what can we do, who can we vote for" thing that always seems to happen at the end involves manipulating. But I don't care about that. It's barely there, you're right. What I DO care about is you're silly explanation toDay about how you though Nog was innocent, and even thought maybe he was a gifted! Oh, but maybe he wasn't, so you voted for him to save Izzy...why? I guess because she seemed more innocent? I've already ranted about that I think. Though actually you're only reason stated yesterDay for voting Nogrod was "because you felt like it".

Originally Posted by phantom

Really? It's bad to save people?

Once again, I already did my spiel about that. You voted for someone you thought was probably innocent to save another person who you thought was probably innocent.

Originally Posted by the phantom

The arrow icon shows up in every post I've ever made on the Downs.

Sorry, in any other contexts I don't bother to read your posts.

Originally Posted by the phantom

We'll find out when this is all over. I'm pretty certain I've already done one rather good thing, but we'll see.

I think you need a new strategy! You're not the Good Wizard, there is no reason for you to be so bold.

So, right now...

Voted for:
phantom

Probable Baddies:
Sally
Brinniel
Izzy

Maybe Baddies:
Hansy
Lari
Mnemo

Maybe Innocent:
Rikae
Fea

Have no idea:
wilwa
Eonwe (who might be modfired if he does not vote today? :\)

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Though I promise if those two turn out to be bad that I will be lynched quietly without a fight.

Really?

Really?

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

phantom did mention that the whole "double vote" thing could have other stipulations on it, but now that we've gotten it confirmed that Day One was indeed a tie I'm inclined to think that the "double vote" was just a theory put out there which we've been focusing on entirely too much..

Cobblerish tactics, I say! (not you Mnemi btw) Though I won't accuse one of many phantoms of cobblerism. Yet.

edit: x-ed with no-one. How sad! (and quiet)
edit2: AND there are 5 invisible members around (not including me)

[Eönwë]

Ok, I shall be voting shortly...

[Eönwë]

Ok, it comes down to this:

++Sally

Because it seems that she's trying to lead us astray with her comments and ideas, and making thinngs more complicated (more than usual). (I love you really Sally, but if you're evil then I can't not try to lynch you) She also seems a little more careful than usual at the same time. Sort of like she's doing the right stuff, but with the wrong intentions or something. Doing the same things as one of the good people, but purposefully bad. *is confused at self*

I think I suspect her more of being the BQ or BP, but she doesn't seem completely benign to me.


Ok, so I might be back just before DL, but I can't promise anything (It's 6am my time).

Bye for now!

PS. I think I'm the only European Downer left- maybe that's why it's so quiet.

edit: x-ed. Weird

[the phantom]

That's weird, Steve. You talk about Sally being the Black Pawn, and then vote for her. Basically, if you're right, then we don't lynch a WereCreature, there are two kills again, etc...

If you think you know who the Black Cobbler is, don't lynch xem. Try and get xem Night killed. Yes, there are ways to increase those odds. Read Mith's last game for examples.

[Kath]

Having been relatively happy about Mnemo and less so about sally yesterDay I find that my opinions have pretty much reversed themselves after toDay's posts. Mnemo all but yelling at phantom to stop talking about possible White Queen abilities was just very, very odd. There is almost no chance that he's going to get the answer right, we're going to have to wait until either a reveal or the final narration to get the answers to that, so it's interesting and it gets discussion going and it makes people take a really close look at the voting records but it isn't dangerous to the White Queen because quite honestly if phantom had figured out what the role actually was I don't believe he'd say it out loud.

sally on the other hand I think is making sense. She is having a good think about WQ possibilities and generally feels good to me. wilwa's vote for her I can sort of follow, there is logic behind it even if I disagree with it, whereas Eonwe's strikes me as a little odd. It's sort of come out of the blue from a little PS into full blown suspicion.

I'm not going to do a full analysis of everyone toDay. I'm simply too tired for it. I will hang around though and stick my nose in on occasion.

[Kath]

That's weird, Steve. You talk about Sally being the Black Pawn, and then vote for her. Basically, if you're right, then we don't lynch a WereCreature, there are two kills again, etc...

Also a good point. I think this was mentioned earlier anyway but there is no point in killing the Cobbler. If you think you've figured out who it is then you can simply ignore them, if you're not listening to them what harm can they do? But there's no point in killing them when there are other villains who have kills to use.

[the phantom]

I keep forgetting to mention the kill- Mira.

I mean really... Mira? She sure as heck wasn't the Seer. And the Night before, Nerwen sure as heck wasn't either.

In a sense, I believe the Black Queen and Black Pawn are helping us. I'm thinking that the WereWolves are making it a priority to avoid killing those two each Night, which has led them to make kills that are rather... safe.

Surely that can be used to find our culprits.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Steve

Really?

Really?

Yes. A promise is a promise. Though I'm rather confident that I won't have to make good on that promise.

[wilwarin538]

Well, I think I will just be voting now, that way I can get to my studying and stop being distracted:

++Sally

For reasons stated above, she's weirding me out.