Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

But why did she voice it in the first place if she really thought I was the seer?

I wouldn't go so far as to say she voiced it. She merely made a comment that is impossible to understand that mentioned you in it.

As I said earlier, it was a bit reckless to make a comment that is difficult to explain your way out of, but she may have been banking on no one even bothering to say anything about it. I don't know.

I understand your reaction completely, but I'm thinking this sort of thing falls right into line with the sort of person Fea is.

And why did she explain it that openly after being asked about it?

Now this I'm not with you on. The fact that you asked her about it made it clear to her that her theory was wrong (if it was correct you would've reacted much differently), so why not just explain?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

Well, it took time for you to see it... I only referred to it something like five times...

Sorry about that. I'm having difficulty keeping everything straight tonight. I'm trying to do several other things at the same time. Big day tomorrow.

[Mnemosyne]

Also, Nog, the reason I at least was going after Gwath was because he took up your argument so willingly and voted rather quickly too. Looks tricksy, that.

[the phantom]

As far as saying that Fea was trying to call attention to Nog in hopes that he'd die during the Night...

Why would she do that?

If she's a WereWolf- kill him tonight.

If she's the WereBear- kill him tonight.

Why bother hinting or anything of the sort?

Unless you're saying she's the Black Pawn, but if that's the case she could've been more careful and then right before deadline post her case as to why Nog is the White Bishop and request he be lynched. Plus, is a Pawn all we're gunning for anyway?

Yeah, yeah, it's better than hitting a Gifted, but still. I don't know. If she's guilty then the Black Pawn is the only thing that I think she could be. I don't think the chance of such a small pay-off is worth it, especially as her behavior is consistent with typical meddling reckless devious Fea that we know and love.

And no, I'm not trying to say your votes are bad. You've given your reasons, and I can see where you are coming from. Frankly you have a better case of guilt than any that I have right now, so I'll at least give you that.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

Wouldn't you - both as a seer or as an ordo - have asked her to check what she will answer?

I guess this is where we split ways. No- as a Seer who dreamed Hansy as the WereBear I would not have questioned her. Definitely not! It would call attention to it. It would scream "Kill me, WereCreatures!"

What would I do? I would make some sort of subtle comment back (a wink or nudge basically) letting her know that she was doing well, or something along those lines. I would figure "She's spotted it, so if she's a WereCreature I'm dead tonight anyway. I might as well gamble that she's not and see if I can forge a useful alliance."

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

As far as saying that Fea was trying to call attention to Nog in hopes that he'd die during the Night...

Why would she do that?

If she's a WereWolf- kill him tonight.

If she's the WereBear- kill him tonight.

Why bother hinting or anything of the sort?

Unless you're saying she's the Black Pawn, but if that's the case she could've been more careful and then right before deadline post her case as to why Nog is the White Bishop and request he be lynched. Plus, is a Pawn all we're gunning for anyway?

I assumed they were saying she's the Black Pawn. Although, now that you mention it, one of the other baddies might try to get a reaction out of the suspected Seer, as a test.

Your theory, meanwhile, is that innocent Fea was trying to hint to the Seer? Very foolhardy– but possible, knowing her.

EDIT: X'd since tp at #193.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yeah, yeah, it's better than hitting a Gifted, but still. I don't know. If she's guilty then the Black Pawn is the only thing that I think she could be. I don't think the chance of such a small pay-off is worth it.

What I think is that she has no good intentions - whatever her role is. You may be right about her being the Black Pawn. It's the most probable answer. I agree. But as you said yourself: better a cobbler hanged than a gifted - or do you have a more believable case against a baddie? With Fea I feel we get someone who's not on the good side.

I wouldn't go for Fea with null reasons on Day1. Nope. Never. But now I think we're really after a baddie - even if just a cobbler she might be - and who knows if we get a bigger fish...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Now this I'm not with you on. The fact that you asked her about it made it clear to her that her theory was wrong (if it was correct you would've reacted much differently)

I can see the way you defend Fea both socially and argumentatively, but with the latter I still disagree. Wouldn't you - both as a seer or as an ordo - have asked her to check what she will answer? Would you have left that kind of thing just to the chance if the baddies notice it or not and you gain nothing of it? Of course you would have asked about it were you an innocent as it's a possibility to get hints from a baddie. Sure you would. Only if you had no pressing need for any information would you have left that kind of a chance untested? So what are your loyalities this time tp?