Tears of Mirrormere Discussion Thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Legate - I have no idea why I'm writing this as it's so obvious, but Ori and Óin are surely friends?

Of course. Indeed pretty unnecessary to even ask that

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Legate- Same thing as I told Lommy, although Oin might be Tror's best friend. Oin is obviosly more of a battle hardened type and Tror would depend on him greatly when in battle, ergo a relationship must have been formed if they are to work closely together.

The first part sounds good - although that doesn't necessarily mean that Óin considers Tror his best friend, because for certain, he knows at least Ori probably for lot longer and had gone through more and more dramatic situations with him (like being almost baked by a Dragon ). As for the battle thing, Óin is more of a "solo" type when it comes to fighting: he has this military experience and knows about tactics and sticking together, but he is not a "professional" warrior. It was just his "racial responsibility" to go to Azanulbizar when he was younger. Then, it is probable that in all the occassions when Tror and him fought together (i.e. here in Moria when they were chasing the Orcs out), he was together with him in a few battles, but Óin is not the one into big battles, but rather a member of a small group who flanks the people etc., where I would probably expect Tror to be the leader of the main wave. So, what do you think?

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh, but that was even more accidental. Dwarf women just always struck me as rather independent, and of course it was no way an official divorce of anything, if that eases your conservative mind, my friend...

Well, I would have hoped you did not have any "official" divorce in mind in the first place - for that will sound really out-of-place. *incanonity police goes back again to its office*

Say what, I will re-read all the characters and will post another longer post (now this sounds like WW! Oh my!), now concerning the possible relations of my characters towards everybody.

And, by the way, I did not seem to see any answer, not from Groin, nor from anybody else: I take it that I should take Lóni, then?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I guess in general most of the relations would form really "on the run", during the game, when we'll see which characters appeal to whom etc. But at least now, as for any deeper relationships, for Óin (I have noted it also for myself, but half for you others, possibly only as some outline which may serve you for inspiration):

Trór - well, I already said that above. Most likely, Óin is going to regard Trór in the context of his memories, sort of identifying him unconsciously with Thráin or Thorin Oakenshield, the military leaders he knew (aside from Balin). He also sees him as a young leader who has the pespective to become a "Thorin of Moria" (or Thráin), if the colony continues to exist.

Nisa - As you also write, she probably knows Óin a bit better, and I think Óin finds her a kind and nice young girl, although he just thinks it and does not say anything much to appreciate her or such.

Náli - Óin counts both him and Lóni as "veterans" and I find it likely that THEY are of the "good old friends" type. So, I actually think this "buddy"-feeling is with those two, while Trór is a (perspective) youngster for Óin still. The more, all these explorations and things make it likely that Óin was somewhere just with Náli and Lóni several times, exploring some levels of Moria and perhaps making a discovery or two.

Frár - same as above with the veteran thing. I think they could know each other for a long time, like the types who meet with other friends around a... barrel of beer or something.

Kór&Kórin - actually, I am pretty convinced Óin likes their music and would like to hear them more, although he does not get to tell that to them usually, he admires them mainly because he is not such a good musician as many others are.

I also think that Óin would have some friendlier and more than just "I know about that one" attitude to Kénan (though maybe a bit more formal, like, sort of reserved, "two old gentlemen who are not much extrovert"?).

Say what you think, if you agree or disagree on something... and if anybody thinks of anything else, just tell me.

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As for Onli, I am not particularly clear on all relations he has, but I am pretty positive that he was trying to make acquaintances with everybody around here. He surely was in more contact (on a business-basis, mostly) with:

Trór (trying to get on a friendly side with the high-ups), Náli (mapping carefully the progress of any of his new finds), Ori, Vigdis, Óin (same as with Náli), Buri, Lys (!!!), Vitr (!!!) - I think Onli was trying to exploit the family in the past, by the way - Bain, Gror (surely started to get all friendly with him immediately after he appeared, trying to get news about what's going on in Erebor), Dalin, Svior and Hepti.

Enough in contact, I believe, for them to make their opinion on him. He is this smooth-talk like people who stop you and try to sell you something, I hope you all get the picture. So not everybody must necessarily see through him, but I am convinced that there will be people - but that's rather on you to choose - who will dislike him (and some who could be simply annoyed with him, but not more perhaps?). Also, there may be somebody who has either problems or on the other hand, who likes his ferret. Óin, for one, is a bit annoyed with the animal popping up at him when he returns from some lonely journey to upper/lower levels.

[Folwren]

Groin, I finally having time to answer your inquiries about your characters' relationship with my character, Kenan.

Folwren- Your character Kenan is pretty much in line to Tror's way of thinking. Although he is younger than your character I think that Kenan and him are pretty much alike. Unfortunately I don't know where to go with it, should there be a quiet fatherly friendship between the two?

Well, there are two options. Either we can go ahead with what you just suggested, a quiet fatherly friendship between the two...in which case Kenan would view Tror as somewhat...foolish maybe? to loose his temper a lot - of course, failing to see that is how he is himself. Probably at this point in time (with Kenan being 210 and Tror 140), Kenan does not give advice like a father would a son.

A more likely scenerio would be for the two dwarve's characters to clash - for the two of them to not even like the sight of one another. This could be easily explained - they had a quarrel over something and neither can get over it. This could provide some interesting writing fodder for us, if the game ever gets boring.

So, you decide what you want with these two characters and how they relate to each other. I am not necessarily looking for enemies at this point, I am honestly thinking that Kenan will have no difficulty in making other people mad at him.

Do you think that Nali and Kenan might get along? Being around the same age I thought that they might know eath other, those oldtimers kind of stick with each other.

Yes, I think that this is a likely do. The opposites in character types will help in any friendship we wish to create.

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So! When do we start?

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Folwren

So! When do we start?

I have asked Groin if we should suggest that pio would open the thread on Monday so that I'd have my first post written already then and could post it rightaway, but he has not replied... I need a few days to write a proper thread for Balin.

edit: like Legate nicely pointed out, I should have written "a proper death", not "a proper thread"

[Groin Redbeard]

Sorry Legate, I just finished sending Lommy a PM. I quoted and pasted her so much that I must have put her in here by instinct. I fixed it, is it better?

Originally Posted by Folwren

A more likely scenerio would be for the two dwarve's characters to clash - for the two of them to not even like the sight of one another. This could be easily explained - they had a quarrel over something and neither can get over it. This could provide some interesting writing fodder for us, if the game ever gets boring.

I like this idea better of the two. Tror and Kenan, for themost part, will be at odds and the friendship part will be left up to Nali. Smart observation with Nali and Kenan, opposites attract in chemistry.

Originally Posted by Folwren

So! When do we start?

Hopefully Lommy will have her post done on monday and it will open then.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fine now, Groin And now, here comes Lóni - we should be complete now:

NAME: Lóni

AGE: 224

RACE: Dwarf of the house of Durin

GENDER: Male

WEAPONS: A simple shortbow with twenty arrows. The arrowheads are ones made by a smith* in the recaptured Moria. Lóni is a good „sniper“, but for possible close-combat he never forgets to carry a flangless light mace with him, which is not very different from a simple club.

APPEARANCE: Lóni is a bit taller than an average Dwarf, even perhaps an inch or two taller than his brother, even though being the younger one. Like his brother's, his beard is golden, and his one eye is mild grey. He lost his right eye during the Battle of the Five Armies, being slashed (just „touched“, almost, but enough to damage his eye) by an axe – probably Dwarven one, though carried by a goblin. He still has a scar running from the root of his nose towards his right cheek.

Lóni does not have as much liking of jewelry like his brother does, although he wears two silver rings on his fingers. He likes to wear bright yellow cloak with orange hood, since his coming to Moria he wears it over a simple leather armor. Into the battle, he carries a hauberk of bright mail hanging down to his knees and a helmet covering the sides of his head and his nose, and it has a round-shaped honey-yellow stone set in the forehead covering. The helmet is a part of treasure found in Moria, protected from goblin loots by lying along with its former owner in a deep cistern near the entrance to deep mines under Caradhras. Lóni always cares about his arms and armor to be in a perfect condition.

PERSONALITY/STRENGTHS/WEAKNESSES: Lóni is an outgoing fellow, friendly and kind to those around him, ready to support them with a helpful remark. He does not have as much wisdom and knowledge as his brother has, nor has he had the patience to study old tomes and scrolls, but he remembers a lot from what his brother had ever told him. When being in a leading place, he tries to do the job well, but at the same time keeping friendly attitude to everyone. He does not desperately wish to lead, but he often ends up in such a position and knows what to do. He is not too talkative, but he knows when it is right to say a few words. Lóni gets hardly ever angry, and overall it is unusual for him to show strong emotions, though his mere presence can be supportive for many.

HISTORY: Lóni was the born the same year when dragon fire descended on the Dwarven kingdom of Erebor. Perhaps this is why his parents both saw Lóni as being born in the times of strife for all Dwarves as a sign of hope, that there will be things which will continue despite all sorrows of the world. Certainly, during all his life, despite the fact that he was not lucky in finding himself a wife, Lóni made his parents and many Dwarves around himself happy. With recounting old tales he learned from his brother, he is a companion sought out by many. Since being young, he mimicked his older brother Náli in many things, consciously or unconsciously, with more or less good results. His brother is very important to him, more important than anybody else. Together, they were in Azanulbizar, in service of King Dáin in the Iron Hills, in the Battle of the Five Armies, later in Erebor, and now in Moria with Balin, whom Lóni had always regarded as a very honorable Dwarf.


*I would like to ask one of you smith-character-owners to be the ones who made Lóni's arrows. It may be a nice feature and the characters may know each other a bit better, perhaps, too. Which will, by the way, mean that your character will have one loss of a friend happening in his life soon (Lóni is going to die relatively early). Any interest?
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LINKED TO PLAYER - CHARACTER LIST ~*~ Pio

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

*I would like to ask one of you smith-character-owners to be the ones who made Lóni's arrows. It may be a nice feature and the characters may know each other a bit better, perhaps, too. Which will, by the way, mean that your character will have one loss of a friend happening in his life soon (Lóni is going to die relatively early). Any interest?

Buri could do it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Buri could do it.

Sounds good. If you wish, we can do it the way that Lóni and Buri are on quite friendly terms, like being really friends - as Buri seems to me, they could get together well quite easily.

[Folwren]

I have fulfilled your wishes, Lommy! I hope I have not exceeded them.. I have posted for Kenan and brought Balin in. If that's a problem, I could edit it.

Thanks, Groin! It would have been interesting to see what you wrote, but I rather like it this way.

Let me know if anything needs to be changed, anyone.

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Kitanna, I have mentioned in my post that the Grandkids would be at the Durin's Day party, if you are looking for a place to post and wondering where your kids would be.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Arry

Others of you Dwarves who are at the party already, I hope you'll say 'hello' to Vitr and Lys as they make their way through the crowd.

Korin has done so! And I gave her a craft! Yeah. Kor is maybe just a bum...a bit of a beatnik.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Folwren

I have fulfilled your wishes, Lommy! I hope I have not exceeded them.. I have posted for Kenan and brought Balin in. If that's a problem, I could edit it.

You did well. Whoever wants may write about Balin being taken in now...

Although, I think we should wait a few days still and give Kath, Ilya and Himaran chances to post cheerful celebration posts before the news strike. But of course there's no point in waiting them if it's going to take ages. So let's see...

[Ilya]

Hey all! Sorry I've been AWOL for a while. Will make it my goal to put up a post tonight.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Hey all! Sorry I've been AWOL for a while. Will make it my goal to put up a post tonight.

Never mind and nice.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Trór - well, I already said that above. Most likely, Óin is going to regard Trór in the context of his memories, sort of identifying him unconsciously with Thráin or Thorin Oakenshield, the military leaders he knew (aside from Balin). He also sees him as a young leader who has the pespective to become a "Thorin of Moria" (or Thráin), if the colony continues to exist.

Thorin of Moria? That would be an honor!

It sounds like Tror and Oin would have more of an professional understanding rather than a true friendship, this sounds good.

Originally Posted by Mr. Incanonity Guy

Also, there may be somebody who has either problems or on the other hand, who likes his ferret. Óin, for one, is a bit annoyed with the animal popping up at him when he returns from some lonely journey to upper/lower levels.

Well Tror for one would be very anoid by it, Nisa would think that it's cute, and Nali would dismiss it as typical silly younger generation.

Lommy, I replied to your PM. Monday it is!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*cough* Groin, are you sure you are not mistaking me with Lommy? In the post above where you quote "her", that is