Tears of Mirrormere Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thinlómien · 11-18-2008, 04:00 PM

You people are making all this date stuff unnecessarily complicated. Legate dear, do you understand you could actually have saved that 45 minutes of work if we had just simply decided Durin's day could have been November 10th?

Anyway, if the matter is now settled, I'm not complaining by any means...

Kath and Groin - more great bios, I see. I'm especially curious to see what will happen if Ori and Hepti meet if he scorns women and she scorns men...

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Originally Posted by Groin

Very unorthodox for a dwarf girl, but very well done, it will be interesting the way that your character plays out.

Not actually. I think the only unorthodox part is the one about military training, but it actually came there accidentally... And don't you call her a girl, she's older than your Tror...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-18-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

You people are making all this date stuff unnecessarily complicated. Legate dear, do you understand you could actually have saved that 45 minutes of work if we had just simply decided Durin's day could have been November 10th? Anyway, if the matter is now settled, I'm not complaining by any means...

Silli, I wanted to ensure we are not going to be uncanonical! And in any case, I feel better when knowing that whatever thing I write about, it is supported by what is written.

Besides, if anything indicated for example that the Durin's Day will more likely occur later than earlier, I would go for supporting Groin's original idea (of having it on the last day).

Anyway, I am looking forward to any possible exchanges between Ori and Hepti too

That sure should happen, at least once...

Thinlómien · 11-18-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate

Silli, I wanted to ensure we are not going to be uncanonical!

Yes, yes, canonicity guard strikes once again...

Anyway, I'd like to say two things to everybody now that I still remember - there are two things you should come up with for your characters in case you already haven't.
1) You should think what your character has mainly been doing in the colony, how is his/her ordinary life there. Writing will be difficult if you don't know this.
2) You should think about which other characters your character knows. It will be easier if you have friends or family around. Also, the colony is after all rather small, so you've probably at least seen almost everybody, so it would make sense you'd know at least one of the other characters. And like I said, it's always easier to start if you have someone you can easily interact with...

I will look for possible friends/acquaintances/enemies/relatives for my characters tomorrow and then make some suggestions. Right now, I'm too tired to take up such task and it's late anyway...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-18-2008, 05:09 PM

Yes, good points, and actually good idea with the other characters - it occured to me that I could for example write (maybe just for my own orientation, but maybe also for others', also for them to eventually consult it with me) a table, resp. a list of all the characters, and note to each what relation, or at least what feelings my character has towards each of the others (and how well he knows them, if just casually, or more, friendly etc.). I will do that separately for each of my characters... in this way, I think maybe everybody could do it like that? It would be an easy way to clear things up, first for yourself, then for the others, too. (And eventually, the first drafts can be rearranged by consulting among the players - like that they talk and mutually agree that their characters are actually going to hold a grudge against each other, or quite the opposite, be long-time friends, etc.)

Groin Redbeard · 11-19-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Not actually. I think the only unorthodox part is the one about military training, but it actually came there accidentally...

OK, not very unorthodox (a better word would be original). That military training struck me as strange, but not unlikely

, that and her parents breaking up but that was about it.

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Originally Posted by Lommy

And don't you call her a girl, she's older than your Tror...

Yes ma'am.

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Originally Posted by Lommy

Groin - you said Nali is the friend of masons? That would mean he'd know Vigdis, most probably. Do we want them to be friends or do we want Vigdis have some silly old grudge against him? I think either of those ideas would be good... Also, as a loremaster and old, important dwarf, Nali would probably know Ori. I think we can assume they're friends?

I think that it would be more likely for a certain level of animosity between the two of them. Vigdis you say likes masonry and turned books down a longtime ago, whereas books are Nali's pursuit. Also, Nali might not appreciate a girl (oops...

) such as Vigdis, being a dwarf of high quality he's use to higher class women.

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Don't you think that to a certain extent, all the dwarves would know each other? At least on speaking basis. They won't all be perfect strangers to each other, surely. It'd be something like a small town community. First, they had to travel together from Dale to Moria, and then they've been living in the same area together, and there really aren't all that many of them.

Right, there should be a certain level of familiarity between the Dwarves, but people do tend to hang out with people who they like.

I'll see what I can do for my characters.

Kath · 11-19-2008, 09:42 AM

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Kath - do you think Vigdis and Hepti being friends would sound good? Not probably very close friends as they both strike me as a bit workaholic but I just have the feeling they would probably get along well...

Sounds like a plan Lommy. A bit of a friends when they meet but they don't really seek each other out thing?

Groin Redbeard · 11-19-2008, 11:07 AM

There are so many wonderful characters here that I found great difficulty picking out the ones that my characters most adapt to. Fortunately there is at least one of every type of personality here, no shortages on characters to choose from.

Tror

Thinlomien- Ori and Tror definately know each other and obviously are friends.

Legate- Same thing as I told Lommy, although Oin might be Tror's best friend. Oin is obviosly more of a battle hardened type and Tror would depend on him greatly when in battle, ergo a relationship must have been formed if they are to work closely together.

Gwath- I had trouble with your character. Frar is definately a warrior like Tror and by the looks of it they are pretty much par with fighting ability (but if one is to be better than the other, I'd say you win), now Tror can take this as rivalry or he can simply acknowledge that you are the better man. Personally I think a bit of rivalry between the two would be nice

, what do you think?

Folwren- Your character Kenan is pretty much in line to Tror's way of thinking. Although he is younger than your character I think that Kenan and him are pretty much alike. Unfortunately I don't know where to go with it, should there be a quiet fatherly friendship between the two?

Nisa

Kath- Nisa might have a crush on Hepti, would that be fine. *smiley*

Ilya- I think that it would be probable that Nisa and Adela would know each other, being the same age and all. Would this be alright with you?

Lilly- Lys, if it is alright with you, would be the one that Nisa would hang out with the most. Although your character is a bit rough (personality wise) something just keeps telling me that Nisa and her would get along. Would this be fine?

Arry/Lilly- Children would be a soft spot for Nisa, giving her gentle nature, would it be fine if the children new her?

Kitanna- The same with your character Iari, she's so cute and think that Nisa could resist to lover her. *big grin*

Lommy- That girl (oops... this is getting fun *big smile*) Vigdis would grind with Nisa's gentle nature. Do you think that it would be alright to have a some resentment towards them (working class vs. aristocracy)?

Nali

Lommy- They would definately know each other and intrigue each other.

To your character Vigdis, I've been thinking about it and Nali might actually like Vigdis more than I thought. Maybe just some mere admiration for her work, but I don't know if Vigdis will accept this or be disgusted by it.

Durelin- I thinking that it might be possible that on some occasion your character, Korin, made an insult/joke at Nali and being the silent serious fellow he is, took it to heart and has had contempt for her since. Something along those line *smiles* if this sounds good to you that's fine, but I don't think that Nali would get along with Korin even if that didn't happen.

Folwren- Do you think that Nali and Keanan might get along? Being around the same age I thought that they might know eath other, those oldtimers kind of stick with each other.

All you players who have feisty dwarves- Nali is a thinker and might often listen to the debates that the other dwarves have, but rarely take part in them. So just a note that some of the dwarves, whose nature is to argue, might know him (and he know them).

Wow, my characters have a lot of friends!

I might have to cut back on them before the game begins! *winks*

Durelin · 11-19-2008, 11:33 AM

Hmm, I guess Kor and Korin are a little purposeless...do you want me to give them a craft? I mean, they could easily be fine basic laborers. But mostly they're *here* simply for the adventure and because of pride for their people. Especially Korin. Kor is more of a tag along.

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Originally Posted by Groin

I thinking that it might be possible that on some occasion your character, Korin, made an insult/joke at Nali and being the silent serious fellow he is, took it to heart and has had contempt for her since. Something along those line *smiles* if this sounds good to you that's fine, but I don't think that Nali would get along with Korin even if that didn't happen.

I think Korin would rub a lot of people the wrong way - probably she wouldn't get along with Nali or Nisa. Kor on the other hand will probably get along with everyone, because outwardly he is quite nice and polite and soft-spoken, though I am sure especially some of the warrior types might think he's a little odd. Nali might actually like him, though...we'll have to see I think.

I think we'll see as the game gets started what characters just seem to gravitate to others...but I agree with Folwren that at least all of them should know each other by face/name. It's also simpler that way for the game.

Dimturiel · 11-19-2008, 12:23 PM

I just realised I did not say what exactly Bain does as a craftsman. Well, I was thinking he might be a smith-working mostly with jewelry, but also with weapons from time to time. Also, I was thinking that the obvious people he is most aquainted with are those that have the same profession as his. I believe they were bound to have spent quite a lot of time together in the colony, especially at the beginning when they have probably been working together at all sorts of things...

Kath · 11-19-2008, 02:22 PM

Haha that would be absolutely fine Groin!

Groin Redbeard · 12-04-2008, 01:29 PM

Wow, when sun goes down, things get active in the Downs.

I'm going to have to catch up on some of y'all's posts.

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Kath- Nisa might have a crush on Hepti, would that be fine. *smiley*

What was I saying here? I just found remembered that I said this, I must have confused Hepti with your Svori character, Kath. That's really embarrassing, I have to read posts more carefully next time, sorry!

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Originally Posted by Folwren

When I posted, I had no realized that Tror would be second in command, after Balin, and therefore now Lord of Moria. If you think it appropriate, I can edit my post and have it reflect that position with how Kenan addresses him.

I don't think that Tror has realized that this is so. Balin has only been dead for so short a time and he would most likely snap at anyone who called him lord before Balin was properly buried. Leave things the way they are, Folwren, I'm sure it's fine.

I'll get a post up tonight for Tror and Nisa. Since Kath has already posted (yeah!) is it alright if we announce the death of Balin?

Kath · 12-04-2008, 01:34 PM

Haha oops Groin! Well Nisa can like Svori maybe?

Yep, yep I'm fine for you to go ahead and bring Balin in now.

Thinlómien · 12-04-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

Haha oops Groin! Well Nisa can like Svori maybe?

Isn't his name Svior, not Svori?

And it is fine by me too to bring Balin in now.

11-18-2008, 05:09 PM	#4
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yes, good points, and actually good idea with the other characters - it occured to me that I could for example write (maybe just for my own orientation, but maybe also for others', also for them to eventually consult it with me) a table, resp. a list of all the characters, and note to each what relation, or at least what feelings my character has towards each of the others (and how well he knows them, if just casually, or more, friendly etc.). I will do that separately for each of my characters... in this way, I think maybe everybody could do it like that? It would be an easy way to clear things up, first for yourself, then for the others, too. (And eventually, the first drafts can be rearranged by consulting among the players - like that they talk and mutually agree that their characters are actually going to hold a grudge against each other, or quite the opposite, be long-time friends, etc.) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-19-2008, 11:07 AM	#7
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	There are so many wonderful characters here that I found great difficulty picking out the ones that my characters most adapt to. Fortunately there is at least one of every type of personality here, no shortages on characters to choose from. Tror Thinlomien- Ori and Tror definately know each other and obviously are friends. Legate- Same thing as I told Lommy, although Oin might be Tror's best friend. Oin is obviosly more of a battle hardened type and Tror would depend on him greatly when in battle, ergo a relationship must have been formed if they are to work closely together. Gwath- I had trouble with your character. Frar is definately a warrior like Tror and by the looks of it they are pretty much par with fighting ability (but if one is to be better than the other, I'd say you win), now Tror can take this as rivalry or he can simply acknowledge that you are the better man. Personally I think a bit of rivalry between the two would be nice, what do you think? Folwren- Your character Kenan is pretty much in line to Tror's way of thinking. Although he is younger than your character I think that Kenan and him are pretty much alike. Unfortunately I don't know where to go with it, should there be a quiet fatherly friendship between the two? Nisa Kath- Nisa might have a crush on Hepti, would that be fine. smiley Ilya- I think that it would be probable that Nisa and Adela would know each other, being the same age and all. Would this be alright with you? Lilly- Lys, if it is alright with you, would be the one that Nisa would hang out with the most. Although your character is a bit rough (personality wise) something just keeps telling me that Nisa and her would get along. Would this be fine? Arry/Lilly- Children would be a soft spot for Nisa, giving her gentle nature, would it be fine if the children new her? Kitanna- The same with your character Iari, she's so cute and think that Nisa could resist to lover her. big grin Lommy- That girl (oops... this is getting fun big smile) Vigdis would grind with Nisa's gentle nature. Do you think that it would be alright to have a some resentment towards them (working class vs. aristocracy)? Nali Lommy- They would definately know each other and intrigue each other. To your character Vigdis, I've been thinking about it and Nali might actually like Vigdis more than I thought. Maybe just some mere admiration for her work, but I don't know if Vigdis will accept this or be disgusted by it. Durelin- I thinking that it might be possible that on some occasion your character, Korin, made an insult/joke at Nali and being the silent serious fellow he is, took it to heart and has had contempt for her since. Something along those line smiles if this sounds good to you that's fine, but I don't think that Nali would get along with Korin even if that didn't happen. Folwren- Do you think that Nali and Keanan might get along? Being around the same age I thought that they might know eath other, those oldtimers kind of stick with each other. All you players who have feisty dwarves- Nali is a thinker and might often listen to the debates that the other dwarves have, but rarely take part in them. So just a note that some of the dwarves, whose nature is to argue, might know him (and he know them). Wow, my characters have a lot of friends! I might have to cut back on them before the game begins! winks __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow Last edited by Groin Redbeard; 11-19-2008 at 11:22 AM.

11-19-2008, 12:23 PM	#9
Dimturiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2005 Location: the road less travelled by Posts: 910	I just realised I did not say what exactly Bain does as a craftsman. Well, I was thinking he might be a smith-working mostly with jewelry, but also with weapons from time to time. Also, I was thinking that the obvious people he is most aquainted with are those that have the same profession as his. I believe they were bound to have spent quite a lot of time together in the colony, especially at the beginning when they have probably been working together at all sorts of things... __________________ Is this the end? No more the hunt, the journey and the goal? That terrifies me most: no more the goal! -Ray Bradbury, Leviathan '99

11-19-2008, 02:22 PM	#10
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Haha that would be absolutely fine Groin! __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

12-04-2008, 01:34 PM	#12
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Haha oops Groin! Well Nisa can like Svori maybe? Yep, yep I'm fine for you to go ahead and bring Balin in now. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”