Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

EDIT: Haha - X'd with Legate doing actually a list of suspicions (was there any after all?) and trusting...

Ah, good point, I had not even realised it I thought it's going to end up kind-of not that productive... although... well, you see. In either case, my opinions are going to change, most likely. And then also, my view is actually the worst on those who are around, but too quiet. Let's say, Kath, just by random. Or Nerwen, possibly (I think I even said that it's a bit awkward). But, well, the main point is that the Americans have not yet posted in their last hours, so...

One thing which became clear to me now too - Brinn is not getting a Rep vote from me, because she already has two, and I have no reason to give her more. Nog would be fine, but if he's not going to be around much... Have to see.

EDIT: x-ed with these Noggies and Lommies. Gaah, what I just said about Kath. I never can't seem to get a reading about her. I don't like her because I don't understand her Too shadowy for me.

[Thinlómien]

I was just thinking... I could vote Ilya too for a rep, just to find out more who she is and how she plays this game. I think I know everybody else's playing styles well enough...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I was just thinking... I could vote Ilya too for a rep, just to find out more who she is and how she plays this game. I think I know everybody else's playing styles well enough...

What? He's a she?

I wondered about Shasta, too, though, when you mentioned it... hmm...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

What? He's a she?

I admit I assumed her to be a he, but since she referred to herself as a girl on this thread...

English is a silly language, really.


edit: xed with Ka(a)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I admit I assumed her to be a he, but since she referred to herself as a girl on this thread...

English is a silly language, really.

That's been known for a long while

Well, I have probably subconsciously stemmed from the assumption that Ilya is a Russian male name...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, now on to something productive... (and no, this time it's not going to be a factory). Let me see.

From those who are around, I could pick as a Rep, like I said before, Shasta, Nogrod... possibly also Greenie, or Morm. And Boro... well, maybe just not because I am not sure what his opinions on me are... I would not like to see myself lynched by my own hands, so to speak Greenie then won't be bad, she seems genuine, but her and Brinniel (whom she voted for) together... not sure if I want to give possibilities for strong coalitions. Although, some will probably arise anyway.

And I really don't like it, especially... well... you know why... but I would be actually also inclined to vote also... *gasp* The Phantom!

Really. Putting Nogrod aside, actually... EEEK! See, okay, he may be impulsive, he may be irresponsible, he is... though... now, right now his impression on me is... eeeeek... he behaved quite reasonably all the day (as much as phantom can!) and some of his questions and opinions and contributions seemed really genuine and caring about the village... *shrugs*

Well, great. Strong words at the beginning, and this is how it ends But really. I have to think. Huh.

EDIT: x-ed since Gwath and with Lommy and the... person... I just named... eek...

[Gwathagor]

Nogbod!

[Ilya]

Ok, to clear up the question raised about me:

From the Quena Lapseparma:
EMMA (f.) - probably Ger. 'entire, whole'; ilya "all", thus Ilya itself or Ilye

And to further up my dork count, the handle is for Ms. Austen's Emma, not for my name. Although, yeah, it is also kinda the Russian form of Elijah, too. Silly English. And silly Russian. And silly Elvish, come to that.

It's really interesting to read all y'all's lists, so I'm making one, little sense though that makes.

Aganzir - I got nothing.
Boromir88 - Seems the sensible sort, but I don't know yet.
Brinniel - Everybody seems to trust her, and there's no reason from her posts for me not to, so naturally I'm highly suspicious.
Diamond18 - I dunno if that post was just her usual voice, but it felt weird to me.
Eönwë - No idea.
Gil-Galad - He's a friend of Perky. That means wolf.
Little Green - Makes a lot of sense. Probably innocent and my suspicions are further proof of an undiagnosed paranoia syndrome.
Gwathagor - ли́чно я с ним незнако́м. (I don't know him).
Ilya - Possibly a Tolstoy protagonist.
Legate - One of the vets that have overwhelmed me with posts. They all make sense, but I'm a little skittish right now of people who are posting long posts and posting a lot, not because it's a bad thing. The more people post the more we have on them, I'm just not used to the high rate and length of posts, is all.
Lommy - I agree with Legate. She seems genuine.
Kath - I don't know why, but I'm trusting her right now.
McCaber - Also seems innocent, although poking the phantom could be a great cover for a wolf.
mormegil -Also one of the vets who's already intimidated me.
Nerwen - No se.
Nogrod - Makes a lot of valid points. Not sure I'd want him for my rep just yet, but seems very focused.
Rune - Also a friend of Perky's. Totally a wolf.
Sally - Dunno.
Shasta - I like his handle. Has a lot to say, but I'm not sure I'm getting all of it.
The Ka - Also love the handle if it's from where I think it's from. I'd like to hear more from her.
the phantom - How does one judge an entity? I'm buying into tp so far, although I don't want to make him a rep, just because I know he'll contribute anyway.

As to making "quiet" people reps in order to draw more out of them, I think there ought to be a mix of uber-posters and lurkers. Or to put it another way, it's a good idea to flush out those of us who aren't speaking, but it's also a good idea to let at least one experienced writes-a-lot have the power to vote, so that all the reps can't fall back on tp's or Legate's or Shasta's Day 2 arguments.

[Boromir88]

Partly because anyone who becomes a rep seems, to me anyway, less likely to be lynched, for they will have the protection of their voting power.~the phantom

I disagree, not in the way that it's wrong, but I would like to see that someone is not considered a viable lynch by the other representatives, solely for that fact that said person is a representative. Because, I would bet at least once in this village, wolves would elect one of their mates as a rep.

I think we're un-needlessly complicating the "Who I want as a rep" situation. I don't like the idea of putting a suspected/possible wolf as a rep, for the purpose of getting a concrete vote out of them. Nogrod, if you're not a wolf, I know you won't let the quiet ones slip unnoticed, and if you are a wolf, you still won't let the quiet ones slip unnoticed.

What's the reward here? I want someone who I trust is innocent, as well as someone who will represent my voice. That simple. We have an advantage in numbers, and the advantage of not allowing the wolves get control of who gets lynched. Yes, ordo's will make mistakes, but at least I know they mean for the best. Because the fact is, as hard as we could try to not get a wolf in as a rep, it's going to happen, period. That doesn't mean we should help them out and hand them the reigns.

Boro? Legate? Anyone else?~the phantom

Do you mean if you were to cast me as a rep? Oh the power of having the phantom's endorsement would be overwelming.

Ok, but seriously now, I think I said before whether I have any voting power the next 24 hours or not, I'm still going to be active and lobbying. That's not going to change. Or if you want to put it this way, I aint gonna shut up.

That's enough for me about the dynamics of representatives, when I return from dinner I will log my thoughts and make a decision on my rep.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

English is a silly language, really.

I must agree.

[Boromir88]

I would say I'm keeping an eye on them, but in this village, one can hardly avoid paying attention to those three. ~Lommy

When you signed up for this were you really expecting something different?

Or maybe quietness is not the right factor but the kind of carefulness of some of us around. If we pick them as representatives they will have to take a stand.~Nogrod

Hmm interesting...you should probably know by now that whether I'm a representative or not I'm going to be doing some heavy lobbying during the 2nd 24-hour period. I would also expect that from Legate, the phantom, and any of the other more vocal players. I can certainly imagine a quiet wolf, who is not a representative, slipping under the radar even more so then they would if we all just had 1 vote. In this way, it would make the less talkative bunch take a stand, and voice their suspects.

However, I don't fully like move for playing carefully and cautiously. Look, I take risks, that's what you're going to get from me, and if I'm a rep, that's what you're going to see. I don't think making somebody a rep will change their style a great deal, if at all. All it would really do is get a concrete vote out of them. But while the voting in the game will be different, I don't think the dynamics are going to change as dramatically as what some of you are making it out to be. The bottom-line is we have lots of well-honed WW people in this village, and it's going to come down to the same situations, do we have some quiet wolves who want to stay out of the spotlight, or some bold one's who like attention, or in all probability both?

I don't like playing it safe, and I've always found people who try to play it safe suspicious. Kath, Brinn, Rune, would make great reps, if they're innocent. The phantom, Legate, Nogrod, also would be great reps if they're innocent. See the point? Just because we have a different voting system now doesn't mean it's going to change someone's ability just by slapping on the "Representative" title.

Edit: Crossing of mass proportions

-went and checked, crossed since Legate's 140

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

English is a silly language, really.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, I have probably subconsciously stemmed from the assumption that Ilya is a Russian male name...

Yep and Yep.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Werewolves, I have an idea! We can make peace! If you will agree not to kill us during the night, we will agree not to try and lynch you during the day. Why continue this conflict? Let us strike a truce!

I thought you wanted some fun. Anyway, if I was to take this seriously, I would say that this would be an easy way for you to disguise your views and opinions of people. But I don't

[Eönwë]

Well, this is a very unproductive day.

I'm was thinking of voting Nogrod- he seems very reasonable and is talking a lot of sense (but maybe trying to be too helpful). He would have gotten my vote but for his time constraints. And now it seems if I do vote for him then he becomes a rep. So, I won't force it on him.

Then there is Ilya, but I don't really know her well enough yet, though she seems innocent enough.

Then there's Greenie. I just feel good vibes from her post, and she seems innocent, and also seems to be looking at things similarly to me. But then she voted Brinniel, which I wouldn't do. What the heck...

++A Little Green for Representative

[satansaloser2005]

Good. Freaking. Gravy. I'm at work for only a few hours and....wow.

*goes to catch up*



Telling you all now that toDay I'm going to be extremely scarce. So on the off chance someone wanted me to be a rep (not likely, but still) don't do it. I'm going to have enough trouble keeping up as it is, at least tonight.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

E-eek.

Just could not resist: Really a bad one from my point of view.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Well, this is a very unproductive day.

Really? And what would you consider productive (than five pages)? And that says the one who gives two one-liners and then votes.

I'm was thinking of voting Nogrod- he seems very reasonable and is talking a lot of sense (but maybe trying to be too helpful). He would have gotten my vote but for his time constraints. And now it seems if I do vote for him then he becomes a rep. So, I won't force it on him.

And this I call kind of an alibism, of sorts. But okay. Well, I am really raising my eyebrows at this post.

And now finally goodnight.

[Boromir88]

Shasta, may I ask what's your motive in pointing out a Legate-phantom-Boro triangle? I'll give you the jovialness with the phantom, but I'm not sure how I've been friendly towards Legate; considering I said he rang me suspicious alarm and I have yet to recant that statement.

I'm just wondering why you tp and Boro are so much against some risks or tests on Day1 in this kind of a game?~Nogrod

Either just by random innocencentness or through wolvish intent, a wolf will end up a representative at some time during this game, so why help them out? I like being risky, but it better have a big pay off. I don't see a big reward in handing a suspected wolf a right to vote. As I said, this is our advantage, a chance for wolves not to muddy-up the voting tally, we should use it. If I can help it, I would not like to give the wolves voting power.

On morm...Nothing stands out about a guilt or innocence. He was involved early, talked about devising a plan, which I know morm loves organization, and definitely off-the-wall plans. He was an early possibility as a representative, but now is out of the race, due to his business/lack of time.

On Nogrod...it struck me odd at first why he wants to advocate the less-loud villagers as representatives, considering he usually goes after them. But, now it looks like an attempt to get more involvement out of the quieter ones. I just don't think it's going to work, because I don't think being a rep will change anyone's style. Also, if Nogrod can not be a representative, it could be an attempt to keep the power out of people who could potentially be dangerous for a wolf-Nogrod. What is Nogrod really up to? Care to answer?

I feel good about Ilya, but I'm going to run back over Lommy's post. I have this strange churn in my stomach about her, and maybe that's just because several people feel she's looking innocent.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Fea

Any future direct quotation of Immanuel Kant shall result in modfire. *shudders*

Fea, amazing.

Originally Posted by tp

Werewolves, I have an idea! We can make peace! If you will agree not to kill us during the night, we will agree not to try and lynch you during the day. Why continue this conflict? Let us strike a truce!

I don’t think that would work in Fea’s or any of the mod’s plans. Also, just curious if it ever does happen, I take it modfire doesn't have a limit when there's mutiny on plot?

They want entertainment, from what I gather… Like any twisted author who prays on their characters *folds arms and pouts*.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I'm also toying with the idea of voting someone rather quiet just to force them to think and post.

I’ve been thinking of voting for someone who’s not so much quiet, but not as twisted the rest of us old biddies. Not because it’s fun (okay, maybe a little), but I’m really curious what will happen with the representative decision(s) if it’s not just a bunch of veterans sitting around and arguing.
It might be a little bit to help cast away the whole ‘well, y’know what we say about history…’ and, ‘the weak or strong choice’ debate.

So, maybe a new or recent player might help. In the few games I’ve been in, sometimes the less seasoned have been our better (or most unexpectant) voices of reason. Goes to show what the outside world can bring.

[the phantom]

So Aganzir has selected Brin to represent her, and Green went ahead and made her an official rep. Interesting...

Originally Posted by Boro

But people gripe about how he has to have all the attention, yet you (and others) continually, and specifically, pinpoint him out.

Ha ha! Yes, I've noticed that before. People will make negative remarks about me being the center of attention, and of course they are the ones making it true by talking about me and my status in the village rather than simply conversing with me like anyone else.

And Nogrod- are you saying that you do not want to be made a Rep? Just wanting to get a clear picture here.

And I know I promised an updated list, but I can't make one that is worth anything. I haven't found my footing yet. Too many people have been silent thus far. I've gotten vibes from those who have talked, but nothing that would convince me. I'm having a more difficult time than usual trusting anyone for some reason. It might just be my mood, I'm not sure...

[Thinlómien]

I should go to sleep soon. I'm almost for taking a dice to decide whether to vote Shasta, Kath or Ilya... Funny, I have always been so much against random votes, but it feel so much less criminal when it's about voting a representative than about a lynchee... (I first wrote "lynching a representative"... )

[Kath]

I'll be a Rep if you like Nogbod, though being in England and the deadline being at 4am my time and my bedtime currently being, ooh, half 11 ... well, just so you're aware of how early that vote would have to be. It would be interesting though. The reason I'm so quiet so often is simply that I'm overwhelmed by the post count, with fewer people it might make me speak more!

I'm intrigued by the seeming consensus on Brinn's innocence. Not that I think she's guilty, but why has she been so mentioned and yet so trusted? It almost seems back to front given the reaction to, say, Legate.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And Nogrod- are you saying that you do not want to be made a Rep? Just wanting to get a clear picture here.

Well, I'm not thinking exactly like "we're doomed if tp is not one of the reps" or that "we're doomed if tp is one of the reps".

To be honest I think we face quite a new situation here. It would be great if we managed to pick some great minds to solve our problems and to give us a wolf with their considerate and wise voting in the end of Day1. But just looking at the numbers and the insecurities of Day1 I do think it's not an obvious result (even if I do believe in reasoning in this game).

So on the other hand it might be good to have a few wolves on the representative's board on this Day1 just to force them to play. I mean if we had like two or three wolves on there they would be easier to catch playing it together (or trying to avoid giving the impression of that) than if they all had a chance to lay low outside the governing body of the reps.

Also, putting some quiet or really careful players into the representative government might ease our chances to have a take on them as they would then leave a definite mark of their stance. Yes, innocents can have it wrong but as the wolves know they are faking it they - at least some of them - could be caught that way.

So, I have no clear picture about wishing you to be a rep or not tp. Maybe I'd like to see someone of whom I feel to be more evasive to be my representative on this first Day at least?