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Old 11-11-2008, 03:02 PM   #1
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What? He's a she?
I admit I assumed her to be a he, but since she referred to herself as a girl on this thread...

English is a silly language, really.


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I admit I assumed her to be a he, but since she referred to herself as a girl on this thread...

English is a silly language, really.
That's been known for a long while

Well, I have probably subconsciously stemmed from the assumption that Ilya is a Russian male name...
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:23 PM   #3
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Okay, now on to something productive... (and no, this time it's not going to be a factory). Let me see.

From those who are around, I could pick as a Rep, like I said before, Shasta, Nogrod... possibly also Greenie, or Morm. And Boro... well, maybe just not because I am not sure what his opinions on me are... I would not like to see myself lynched by my own hands, so to speak Greenie then won't be bad, she seems genuine, but her and Brinniel (whom she voted for) together... not sure if I want to give possibilities for strong coalitions. Although, some will probably arise anyway.

And I really don't like it, especially... well... you know why... but I would be actually also inclined to vote also... *gasp* The Phantom!

Really. Putting Nogrod aside, actually... EEEK! See, okay, he may be impulsive, he may be irresponsible, he is... though... now, right now his impression on me is... eeeeek... he behaved quite reasonably all the day (as much as phantom can!) and some of his questions and opinions and contributions seemed really genuine and caring about the village... *shrugs*

Well, great. Strong words at the beginning, and this is how it ends But really. I have to think. Huh.

EDIT: x-ed since Gwath and with Lommy and the... person... I just named... eek...
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:25 PM   #4
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:58 PM   #6
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EMMA (f.) - probably Ger. 'entire, whole'; ilya "all", thus Ilya itself or Ilye
And to further up my dork count, the handle is for Ms. Austen's Emma, not for my name. Although, yeah, it is also kinda the Russian form of Elijah, too. Silly English. And silly Russian. And silly Elvish, come to that.

It's really interesting to read all y'all's lists, so I'm making one, little sense though that makes.

Aganzir - I got nothing.
Boromir88 - Seems the sensible sort, but I don't know yet.
Brinniel - Everybody seems to trust her, and there's no reason from her posts for me not to, so naturally I'm highly suspicious.
Diamond18 - I dunno if that post was just her usual voice, but it felt weird to me.
Eönwë - No idea.
Gil-Galad - He's a friend of Perky. That means wolf.
Little Green - Makes a lot of sense. Probably innocent and my suspicions are further proof of an undiagnosed paranoia syndrome.
Gwathagor - ли́чно я с ним незнако́м. (I don't know him).
Ilya - Possibly a Tolstoy protagonist.
Legate - One of the vets that have overwhelmed me with posts. They all make sense, but I'm a little skittish right now of people who are posting long posts and posting a lot, not because it's a bad thing. The more people post the more we have on them, I'm just not used to the high rate and length of posts, is all.
Lommy - I agree with Legate. She seems genuine.
Kath - I don't know why, but I'm trusting her right now.
McCaber - Also seems innocent, although poking the phantom could be a great cover for a wolf.
mormegil -Also one of the vets who's already intimidated me.
Nerwen - No se.
Nogrod - Makes a lot of valid points. Not sure I'd want him for my rep just yet, but seems very focused.
Rune - Also a friend of Perky's. Totally a wolf.
Sally - Dunno.
Shasta - I like his handle. Has a lot to say, but I'm not sure I'm getting all of it.
The Ka - Also love the handle if it's from where I think it's from. I'd like to hear more from her.
the phantom - How does one judge an entity? I'm buying into tp so far, although I don't want to make him a rep, just because I know he'll contribute anyway.

As to making "quiet" people reps in order to draw more out of them, I think there ought to be a mix of uber-posters and lurkers. Or to put it another way, it's a good idea to flush out those of us who aren't speaking, but it's also a good idea to let at least one experienced writes-a-lot have the power to vote, so that all the reps can't fall back on tp's or Legate's or Shasta's Day 2 arguments.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:19 PM   #7
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Partly because anyone who becomes a rep seems, to me anyway, less likely to be lynched, for they will have the protection of their voting power.~the phantom
I disagree, not in the way that it's wrong, but I would like to see that someone is not considered a viable lynch by the other representatives, solely for that fact that said person is a representative. Because, I would bet at least once in this village, wolves would elect one of their mates as a rep.

I think we're un-needlessly complicating the "Who I want as a rep" situation. I don't like the idea of putting a suspected/possible wolf as a rep, for the purpose of getting a concrete vote out of them. Nogrod, if you're not a wolf, I know you won't let the quiet ones slip unnoticed, and if you are a wolf, you still won't let the quiet ones slip unnoticed.

What's the reward here? I want someone who I trust is innocent, as well as someone who will represent my voice. That simple. We have an advantage in numbers, and the advantage of not allowing the wolves get control of who gets lynched. Yes, ordo's will make mistakes, but at least I know they mean for the best. Because the fact is, as hard as we could try to not get a wolf in as a rep, it's going to happen, period. That doesn't mean we should help them out and hand them the reigns.

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Boro? Legate? Anyone else?~the phantom
Do you mean if you were to cast me as a rep? Oh the power of having the phantom's endorsement would be overwelming.

Ok, but seriously now, I think I said before whether I have any voting power the next 24 hours or not, I'm still going to be active and lobbying. That's not going to change. Or if you want to put it this way, I aint gonna shut up.

That's enough for me about the dynamics of representatives, when I return from dinner I will log my thoughts and make a decision on my rep.
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English is a silly language, really.

I must agree.
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:32 PM   #9
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I would say I'm keeping an eye on them, but in this village, one can hardly avoid paying attention to those three. ~Lommy
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Hmm interesting...you should probably know by now that whether I'm a representative or not I'm going to be doing some heavy lobbying during the 2nd 24-hour period. I would also expect that from Legate, the phantom, and any of the other more vocal players. I can certainly imagine a quiet wolf, who is not a representative, slipping under the radar even more so then they would if we all just had 1 vote. In this way, it would make the less talkative bunch take a stand, and voice their suspects.

However, I don't fully like move for playing carefully and cautiously. Look, I take risks, that's what you're going to get from me, and if I'm a rep, that's what you're going to see. I don't think making somebody a rep will change their style a great deal, if at all. All it would really do is get a concrete vote out of them. But while the voting in the game will be different, I don't think the dynamics are going to change as dramatically as what some of you are making it out to be. The bottom-line is we have lots of well-honed WW people in this village, and it's going to come down to the same situations, do we have some quiet wolves who want to stay out of the spotlight, or some bold one's who like attention, or in all probability both?

I don't like playing it safe, and I've always found people who try to play it safe suspicious. Kath, Brinn, Rune, would make great reps, if they're innocent. The phantom, Legate, Nogrod, also would be great reps if they're innocent. See the point? Just because we have a different voting system now doesn't mean it's going to change someone's ability just by slapping on the "Representative" title.

Edit: Crossing of mass proportions

-went and checked, crossed since Legate's 140
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Well, I have probably subconsciously stemmed from the assumption that Ilya is a Russian male name...
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Werewolves, I have an idea! We can make peace! If you will agree not to kill us during the night, we will agree not to try and lynch you during the day. Why continue this conflict? Let us strike a truce!
I thought you wanted some fun. Anyway, if I was to take this seriously, I would say that this would be an easy way for you to disguise your views and opinions of people. But I don't
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:00 PM   #11
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Ok- It's votin' time!

Well, this is a very unproductive day.

I'm was thinking of voting Nogrod- he seems very reasonable and is talking a lot of sense (but maybe trying to be too helpful). He would have gotten my vote but for his time constraints. And now it seems if I do vote for him then he becomes a rep. So, I won't force it on him.

Then there is Ilya, but I don't really know her well enough yet, though she seems innocent enough.

Then there's Greenie. I just feel good vibes from her post, and she seems innocent, and also seems to be looking at things similarly to me. But then she voted Brinniel, which I wouldn't do. What the heck...

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Old 11-11-2008, 06:06 PM   #12
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Good. Freaking. Gravy. I'm at work for only a few hours and....wow.

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Telling you all now that toDay I'm going to be extremely scarce. So on the off chance someone wanted me to be a rep (not likely, but still) don't do it. I'm going to have enough trouble keeping up as it is, at least tonight.
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:16 PM   #13
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Ilya looks like she'll be around and will give opinions, so I don't mind that selection at all. I hope to get to know her better via her status as Rep.

And I agree with Gwath's nomination. On Day 1 I can hardly expect Nog to pick accurately, but I do expect that he will use good standards for voting.
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I should probably vote now, just on the off chance that rehearsal runs long. So without further ado...

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E-eek.

Just could not resist: Really a bad one from my point of view.

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Well, this is a very unproductive day.
Really? And what would you consider productive (than five pages)? And that says the one who gives two one-liners and then votes.

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I'm was thinking of voting Nogrod- he seems very reasonable and is talking a lot of sense (but maybe trying to be too helpful). He would have gotten my vote but for his time constraints. And now it seems if I do vote for him then he becomes a rep. So, I won't force it on him.
And this I call kind of an alibism, of sorts. But okay. Well, I am really raising my eyebrows at this post.

And now finally goodnight.
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Really? And what would you consider productive (than five pages)? And that says the one who gives two one-liners and then votes.
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And this I call kind of an alibism, of sorts. But okay. Well, I am really raising my eyebrows at this post.
No, it's just me at 00:20 in the morning.

still reading page 7...
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I really want to go to sleep in an hour.

Could you Eönwë answer to my questions before that since you are one I'm considering.

I'll go, have something to eat and take a shower. Back soonishly.
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Another list, to help me get my thoughts in order and to see just who I want to go back and look at since I haven't had time.

Aganzir - No alarms, I'm glad to see she's here today.
Boromir88 - Seems sensible.
Brinniel - Still innocent.
Diamond18 - Where is she?
Eönwë - No read.
Gil-Galad - No read.
Greenie - Not much of a read, but what I've seen of her so far I think innocent.
Gwathagor - No read.
Ilya - No read.
Legate - He's pinging my alarms a bit.
Lommy - She and Agan seem like our brawling innocents.
Kath - Seems helpful, but in the shadows. I'd like to hear more.
McCaber - No read - hardly surprising. Pops in with a comment and pops out again.
mormegil - Seems sensible.
Nerwen - Still innocent.
Nogrod - Probably innocent.
Rune - Seems sensible.
Sally - No read.
Shasta - Obviously a wolf.
The Ka - Ka is one I'd like to go back and look at.
the phantom - Obviously a... well... hmm. I think he seems innocent-ish, but you never can tell with this guy.
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Shasta, may I ask what's your motive in pointing out a Legate-phantom-Boro triangle? I'll give you the jovialness with the phantom, but I'm not sure how I've been friendly towards Legate; considering I said he rang me suspicious alarm and I have yet to recant that statement.

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Either just by random innocencentness or through wolvish intent, a wolf will end up a representative at some time during this game, so why help them out? I like being risky, but it better have a big pay off. I don't see a big reward in handing a suspected wolf a right to vote. As I said, this is our advantage, a chance for wolves not to muddy-up the voting tally, we should use it. If I can help it, I would not like to give the wolves voting power.

On morm...Nothing stands out about a guilt or innocence. He was involved early, talked about devising a plan, which I know morm loves organization, and definitely off-the-wall plans. He was an early possibility as a representative, but now is out of the race, due to his business/lack of time.

On Nogrod...it struck me odd at first why he wants to advocate the less-loud villagers as representatives, considering he usually goes after them. But, now it looks like an attempt to get more involvement out of the quieter ones. I just don't think it's going to work, because I don't think being a rep will change anyone's style. Also, if Nogrod can not be a representative, it could be an attempt to keep the power out of people who could potentially be dangerous for a wolf-Nogrod. What is Nogrod really up to? Care to answer?

I feel good about Ilya, but I'm going to run back over Lommy's post. I have this strange churn in my stomach about her, and maybe that's just because several people feel she's looking innocent.
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Shasta, may I ask what's your motive in pointing out a Legate-phantom-Boro triangle? I'll give you the jovialness with the phantom, but I'm not sure how I've been friendly towards Legate; considering I said he rang me suspicious alarm and I have yet to recant that statement.
Hmm. Perhaps it's more of an angle, with Phantom at the center. I just latched on to Lommy's phrase because I saw the same thing she did.
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And lastly, since no one has brought it up yet, it's perfectly possible that innocent people will elect one or more wolves as their representatives and thereby wolves could be trying to seem reasonable and trustworthy just to gather innocent rep votes.~Lommy
-from somewhere way back on the 3rd page
Wolves will lay low, stay out of things to let innocents lynch innocents, or they will attempt to get rep votes by sounding reasonable? Which one is it Lommy?

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Hmm. Perhaps it's more of an angle, with Phantom at the center. I just latched on to Lommy's phrase because I saw the same thing she did.~Shasta
Latched on to Lommy? Oddly enough that makes me feel you're innocentish.
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:55 PM   #22
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...Legate-phantom-Boro triangle...
Well- I... er... wasn't aware that either of them were interested in me. And I can certainly say that my interests lie elsewhere, so the theory is flawed.

I'm holding out for one of our dear Mod-Goddesses.
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Well- I... er... wasn't aware that either of them were interested in me. And I can certainly say that my interests lie elsewhere, so the theory is flawed.

I'm holding out for one of our dear Mod-Goddesses.
I never said love-triangle... your dirty mind thought that up all on its own.
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Well- I... er... wasn't aware that either of them were interested in me. And I can certainly say that my interests lie elsewhere, so the theory is flawed.

I'm holding out for one of our dear Mod-Goddesses.

*stops reading long enough to roll her eyes*


Gah. Some initial vibes from what I've seen. Mind you, spur of the moment, gut stuff, most of it kind of silly, so if I read things again I may change my mind. [/sleepy disclaimers]


Phantom: needs to shut his gob. I'm trying to decide if his questions are really to get more *cough* unnecessary *cough* information or if he's just being talkative to be a distraction. But he's always like this. *sigh*
Shasta: he's psychic?!?!?!?!?!?!? *covers head in tinfoil*
Legate: seems fairly sensible and help out-ish.
Boro:
Nog:
Eon: See the post where he says (I believe) that the discussion so far is pointless. This strikes me as very odd. We have to do our best on the first day (not that I like them either) and no discussion is pointless/unhelpful in the wolf-catching effort. Especially in a village this size, the more people talk the more we have to use to evaluate them.
Morm: Monkey with a gun. Yipes. But for some reason my Morm sensor is NEVER right. Ridiculous, really. I think he's innocent, so he must be guilty.
Cabbie:
Gwath:
Brinn:
Ilya: Haven't played with her before, but she strikes me as almost too innocent. Then again, I'm paranoid. WHY ARE YOU ALL LOOKING AT ME?!?!??
Kath:
Ka: cute little posts (at least the ones I've read so far) and fairly friendly. Which isn't to say that Ka's not always friendly, or that wolves have to be rude, but she seems legit, at least for now.
Greenie: Sneaky little minx. Is she a wolf in this game? I'll let you know, but for now I don't think so.
Agan: always a wolf. Always.
Di:
Nerwen:
Fea: is the den mother. obviously. I mean, how hard is it to see, people? She's obviously evil! *runs off flailing* hehe

If there's nothing by your name I think nothing of you. (Take that how you like heh. Kidding, kidding.) Off to term paper world.


EDIT: x'd with two Shasta's. Odd Couple. Oooo....
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