Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Brinniel]

I have three theories about Fea and Eomer:

1) They are the two lovers. The only question about this is why would they play the gifted card now? But as Noggie stated, out of anyone in this game it is these two who could pull this off. They are some of the most manipulative players I know.

2) Fea and Eomer are two baddies able to communicate at Night, but aren't lovers...perhaps cobblers working together. Considering there were only two pairs of lovers to start with, this is possible.

3) Fea is a cobbler seer and dreamt of Eomer to discover he's a baddie too (but probably not a lover since she wouldn't want to expose him).

Originally Posted by Gwath

I am the Ranger. I have protected Kitanna, Nogrod, and Aganzir. (No, I'm not going to tell you the fourth one.)

*sigh* I know you're the ranger, Gwath. I was hoping our baddies wouldn't draw you out enough to reveal, but it seems we've reached a point where there's no other choice.

[Brinniel]

This a lot for everyone to chew on, and I admit I've been only skimming the thread in between classes. I'll read more thoroughly when I get back to my room.

I'm currently in the library and am about to leave for dinner. I'll be back to post more sometime within the hour.

[Nogrod]

Gwath: your argument was that you are convinced of the fact that Fea is lying about Eomer. But still you decided to vote for Eomer and not Fea???

Even if I myself don't actually believe in the two rangers theory (and I might be wrong with that) I would have considered the possibility that Eomer is indeed a ranger as well and thence - and looking at the way he has reacted to the revealments - I'd say he looks more innocent than Fea.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well obviously Brinniel's the real seer and I'm just faking it.

++Brinniel

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Fea

Well obviously Brinniel's the real seer and I'm just faking it.

Precisely.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well, darling, if you're a seer, you obviously haven't dreamed of me.

Saying "You're lying!" is not the same as saying "I dreamed of you last night and your role is, in fact, ____."

So your opinion? Really doesn't matter to me.

[Nogrod]

Does anyone remember the times there used to be these false seers around?

Maybe Di is taking a path down the memory-lane? I mean wasn't it that the false seer was not told s/he was "false"?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Even if I myself don't actually believe in the two rangers theory (and I might be wrong with that) I would have considered the possibility that Eomer is indeed a ranger as well and thence - and looking at the way he has reacted to the revealments - I'd say he looks more innocent than Fea.

No, Eomer is no more innocent than Fea. Because if he were telling the truth, there would be three rangers.

Alright since I've been making hints for some time now and its basically out in the open, I suppose I should clarify. This is what I know:

Innocent:
Nogrod
Shasta
Gwath
Brinn

Don't Know:
Sally
Gollum
Groin

Baddie of Some Sort:
Fea
Eomer

That narrows things down quite a bit.

To be more specific...

On Night 1, I dreamt of Mac. I chose him because I remembered how sneaky he's been in past games, so I wanted to know whether I could trust him.

On Night 2, I dreamt of Nogrod. It was a last minute decision and I almost chose Fea, but decided it'd be safer to dream of someone I was more on the fence about in case I was wrong about my suspicions of her. Nogrod is innocent. And I'm glad to know I can trust him since we do tend to agree on a lot. Though now that we're in this mess, I rather wish I had chosen Fea instead.

On Night 3, I dreamt of Shasta. He was one of my suspects at the time and I was tired of wondering about him, so I chose him. Shasta is innocent.

Last Night, I dreamt of Gwath. My main reason for choosing him was because he kept falling under my radar. And I discovered that he's the ranger. At the time, I was a bit disappointed I still hadn't caught a lover, but now I'm glad to know Gwath's identity because I know not to believe Eomer.

There's really no need for me to reveal who I've protected. All you need to know is that I've done quite the inadequate job compared to Gwath who has spared us two kills. Good work, mate.

I've also known all along that there were only two pairs of lovers, but lovers aren't the only evil ones around. This is what Di informed me:

Your goal is to protect ordinary mortals from the spirits of the dead who have possessed some from among you, and are out for blood. Two sets of star crossed Lovers from beyond the grave have returned. There are also mischievous immortals afoot. This information has come to you in a dream, and marks you as special among the mortals, so be careful how much knowledge you reveal.

"Mischievous immortals" is what she said. That means there's more than one...perhaps some cobbler-like characters. But I'm not sure what the immortal part means...does it mean they cannot be killed? I don't know.

Anyways, that's why I suspect Eomer and Fea may not be lovers, but are simply distracting us. But I can't say that for sure. The whole 'immortal' thing is why I'm a bit hesitant to vote either of the two, but I'm willing to risk it if it's the only way for all of us to know for sure.

Now it's time for me to turn my attention back to the election. Things seem to be slow now, but I'll check back in little while.

So until I return,
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Watcher

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Fea

Saying "You're lying!" is not the same as saying "I dreamed of you last night and your role is, in fact, ____."

I don't know your role and I've said so. And perhaps you are a seer...just not one that's on the village's side. The reason I said you're lying is because the claim to Eomer's role...I just can't imagine Di placing three rangers in this game.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I just can't imagine Di placing three rangers in this game.

We're really going to need to compare notes later because the stuff I've been told versus the stuff people are telling me? Doesn't mesh.

I was told there are two sets of lovers, and that I had an equally gifted counterpart to my seer-ness. You were told that there are two sets of lovers, a set of mischievous immortals, and you dreamed of a ranger, with yourself as the seer.

I was told of at least two less roles than you were, which means little more than that our Moddess is having a field day right now rolling on the floor watching us struggle.

Brinn, so you're a ranger as well? How's that work?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I was told there are two sets of lovers, and that I had an equally gifted counterpart to my seer-ness. You were told that there are two sets of lovers, a set of mischievous immortals, and you dreamed of a ranger, with yourself as the seer.

From the face of it it looks like Fea is the false saeer and Brinn is the right one, but I might be wrong as well. If I remember it correctly, the false seers have had a kind of percentage by which their dreams turn out true or false.

But how about that "people will be killed if they lynch / kill you"?

And really, what those mischievous immortals are? Maybe Fea will take people with her after all - it might be good for the game balance?

I still suspect Shasta. Check my early posting for details...

Although the victory conditions seem to be a bit muddy. I mean do a false seer count as an inocent? Or a mischievous immortal?

Darn darkness...

[Nogrod]

Okay.

Using PM's to prove a point is not good politics... also what I said about the concept of false seers still applies.

Nevertheless I must say - what I think I said already before - that your revelation feels more believable than Fea's although you hadn't revealed before this moment.

Looking at the explanation of your dreams... I'm not so sure how I'll take them even if I'm inclined to believe you.

But what is this talk about three rangers while you say yourself being the seer and being at the same time failing to protect anyone unlike Gwath? I mean this kind of makes me wonder...

Puzzled as ever...

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But what is this talk about three rangers while you say yourself being the seer and being at the same time failing to protect anyone unlike Gwath? I mean this kind of makes me wonder...

Gwath is a ranger and I'm the watcher, which means I'm both a seer and a ranger. If Eomer was a ranger too, there'd be three of us...but I don't believe that's so.

The two successful protections (of you and Aganzir) came from Gwath. I was protecting other people those Nights...and was not so successful obviously.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Fea

Brinn, so you're a ranger as well? How's that work?

I get both one dream and one protection each Night. It's basically a two gifteds in one package deal. On one hand it's pretty awesome...on the other, it's a lot of pressure.