Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Gollum the Great]

After what happened last game I find it difficult to trust either Legate or Lommy, but I won't let that bias me. Agan seems jumpy, Legate the guy with a massive brain he always is, and Mac and Rikae ready to go for Agan's throat. The others have made to few (if any) posts for me to make any decisions off of.
Tinkertetonk. Be back soon.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Ah, but if you played a cautious wolf, someone might note that that is exactly the strategy that always worked for you before. At least, this way, you have the above excuse ready-made.

ooops.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Stirring the pot? I can see what you mean in Lommy's case, but vague suspicions aren't worth much, are they (until everyone starts echoing them, and, before you know it, you have a pointless, useless bandwagon on your hands which isn't even helpful after the fact for finding baddies...).

Of course vague suspicions aren't worth much, but that was all I had at the point, so why shouldn't I share it?

Talking about useless bandwaggons: I'd like to jump on Aganzir's against Sally.

Lommy is too nice and seems to try to not make any enemies (apart from Aganzir).

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Talking about useless bandwaggons: I'd like to jump on Aganzir's against Sally.

Hey darling it's not a bandwagon, it's random suspicion though the grounds could be called feeble since it's only this early in the game (but that was all I had at the point, so why shouldn't I share it?). If you go back and read like five games I've last been playing you can see similar suspicions regardless of what my role has been.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Agan seems jumpy

Your reasons please.

Oh and before long you will probably find out that my throat is very popular among these lonely people. Fetishists...

edit: garr xed with Mac

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

After what happened last game I find it difficult to trust either Legate or Lommy, but I won't let that bias me.

Yes, and are you aware that until the last day when I was rightfully lynched, I was a wrongfully suspected innocent?

EDIT: x-ed since Gollum

[Gollum the Great]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Yes, and are you aware that until the last day when I was rightfully lynched, I was a wrongfully suspected innocent?

I remember that, rather funny.

I try to sound helpful - from Agan

I don't know about the others, but your posts haven't helped me.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

I don't know about the others, but your posts haven't helped me.

Then the problem is certainly with you, not me.
The point was that in my opinion there weren't enough differences in helpfulness between me and Legate's posts at that point to justify Groin's entirely different treatment of us. It had me wondering if he was trying to get a strong ally in Legate.

And what actually were your reasons to call me jumpy, my dear Madam/Sir?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I get what you're saying, but given how I feel about Rikae's "accusation", I don't know how suspicious Mac really is. Maybe Mac was jumpy, but innocents can get jumpy and defensive too.

Well technically it's possible they're both baddies, if there are just lover pairs who don't know of one another.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Groin - innocent enough. He's calling me silly, though.
Eönwë - another young gentleman who calls me silly. More innocent than guilty, but that means absolutely nothing at this phase.

Someone should be reeeally careful now... After all, we know how easily Lommy is seduced by saying silly!

edit: xed with Lommy

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Well technically it's possible they're both baddies, if there are just lover pairs who don't know of one another.

Possible, of course, but I feel better about Mac than I do about Rikae, but don't think I'd discounted the fact they could both be up to no good.

[Gollum the Great]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And what actually were your reasons to call me jumpy, my dear Madam/Sir?

You post often, make long posts, were swift to accuse and are quick to defend yourself. You're also out for lots blood and seem very excited about the game (not that blame you). That is my idea of jumpy.

PS, I'm male.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

You post often, make long posts, were swift to accuse and are quick to defend yourself. You're also out for lots blood and seem very excited about the game (not that blame you). That is my idea of jumpy.

My idea of jumpy means quickly defending oneself against the smallest of suspicions and therefore I don't consider myself more jumpy than I usually am. Posting much and being accusatory, on the other hand, aren't a part of that idea.

And yeah I like blood. Downer blood is especially tasty.

edit: xed with Legate & Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Now I know what's wrong with me. I've been wolf in the past two games, and I last played as innocent in early June. So small wonder if I have problems accustoming myself to really hunting wolves. I mean, I do pay attention to suspicious things people say, but I don't go as far as to start really suspecting them. I'm not thinking about who's a wolf, I'm just commenting everything that people say... Not good. Maybe I should let Greenie back here now and go re-wire my brain meanwhile...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think Mac and Rikae are weird.

I am not feeling anything especially strange about Rikae, and I have not been paying much attention to their exchanges (rather because I am really not the one for deep analysis of these exchanges), but Mac at least seemed weird to me from the beginning, and I have him marked as one to eventually vote for.

Lommy is really too tra-la-la-ley, happy and nice.

Yes, actually, this is true, too. Too unconflicting, and as I recall her from the last game, there is perhaps something similar in there. And she seems to be more... reserved to talk about various topics, keeping just out of the main spotlight, while still contributing enough to be noticed.

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

I remember that, rather funny.

Depends for whom...

EDIT: x-ed since the Gollum I quoted

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Yes, actually, this is true, too. Too unconflicting, and as I recall her from the last game, there is perhaps something similar in there. And she seems to be more... reserved to talk about various topics, keeping just out of the main spotlight, while still contributing enough to be noticed.

Bah, give me any topic and I'll talk about it.

[Macalaure]

++*
Lommy

+
Legate ~ something's wrong there
Sally
Eonwe ~ another one who's being too nice
Brinniel ~ has talked exclusively about the rules so far
Groin ~ gives me a bad feeling

o
Kitanna ~ always have a hard time reading her
Gollum ~ no idea
Lily ~ one post, and that was a list - easy way to appear involved
Lalaith ~ no idea

-
Aganzir ~ too argumentative to be a wolf, methinks
Nogrod ~ no alarms yet, which is alarming
Rikae ~ accuses and defends me, which is what innocent Rikaes tend to do, but evil Rikaes might as well

--
Fea ~ strikes me very innocent

?
Shasta, Gwath, McCaber, Eomer ~ these fellows really better show up. This large number of silent ones is especially worrying since we are lacking modkill.


It's nice that we have so many baddies in this village (well, presumably): I can call six people suspicious without having to worry about who of them I'm necessarily wrong about.

(*edit: no, this was no vote - sorry about the stupid formatting)

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Aganzir ~ too argumentative to be a wolf, methinks

Or just a bold wolf?
She seems very - dare I say it?- phantom-ish (in her own little way) to me this game. I don't know whether that's good or bad thing.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Rikae ~ accuses and defends me, which is what innocent Rikaes tend to do, but evil Rikaes might as well

And now your defending her too, but not obviously so. Hmmm... The plot thickens

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

The point was that in my opinion there weren't enough differences in helpfulness between me and Legate's posts at that point to justify Groin's entirely different treatment of us. It had me wondering if he was trying to get a strong ally in Legate.

That's actually a good point, too, and I noticed it too. (Great. Now I seem like doing nothing but quoting Agan and agreeing with her, but she simply says things which make sense now. This is also why I am inclined to trust her: she probably would not have made such an effort had she not had the best intentions of the village in her mind. Well, of course she could have just her own best intentions, which include helping to get rid of other lover pairs... or she is simply bored and has lots of time...) Anyway, trying to "jump on the train" of me would fit well with a Guilty Groin, and I am inclined to think about it as of a likely possibility. Still though, for example Mac I suspect more strongly than him (or, have more grounds for it).

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Bah, give me any topic and I'll talk about it.

Really? Okay, you said it yourself, sweetheart...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm a bit surprised by how much people have been able to chat. Far as I can see, we know nothing, and it's deliberate. We're not supposed to know anything; we're supposed to grope blindly in the dark, providing delicious entertainment for the mod in the process. Well, I'm not falling for that yet. I presume only that there are villains. It's probable that some will stay quiet and some will be very involved in discussion, trying to determine, in public to greater the acclaim, the nature of the game.

Whether you're doing that by reference to the last game, I'm not sure. I would say that it's dangerous to let the past game affect your appraisal overly. I'd say that there's been far too much talk over little not to have some active villains, acting the wise.

Well, I'm all for a bit more substance. So:

++Rikae

Have at it.


Edit: crossed with Mac, who has seemingly got the first vote in. Curse him, stealing my thunder...

[Kitanna]

I have to hurry and vote. I stand by my suspicions of Rikae. I don't like her "joke" accusation toward Mac, seeing as she admitted it wasn't necessarily an entire joke. I feel bad about her.

++Rikae

I find the talk around Agan and Agan herself. But I'm not sure I find anything overly suspicious about here. I probably won't be back, though I'll try, but I've voted now just in case.

Edit: I see Eomer beat me to the Rikae vote...jerk :P

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Edit: crossed with Mac, who has seemingly got the first vote in. Curse him, stealing my thunder...

No! yet again you beat me to it! Stealing my thunder.

Now I will stay longer and see if anything makes me change my mind.

edit: x-ed with Kitanna- another person stealing my Rikae vote. Grrr!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Rikae

And, Aganzir, I agree on the gender thing - we should lynch all the females in alphabetical order.

Thanks a lot, darling.

Well, anyway - I'm finally here and I can say right away that I don't suspect anyone. Maybe I'll just make a list.
Groin - No read.
Lommy - Basic lommism, meaning that she feels innocentish but knowing her she could as well be a naughty evil thing who is laughing at us all.
Aganzir - She's indeed playing a bit oddly. Maybe she's a cobbler. She tends to be more smooth as a real baddie and certainly more smooth as a gifted. but then somehow she doesn't feel like an ordo.
Legate - That guy is plain silly. Which means that I should be worried - he plays very differently from what I remember, or at least gives different vibes. He seems somehow more joking and absurd and cheerful than he usually does in WW. As though he had nothing in the world to worry about.. Then another thing related to Legate - I don't know why, but I'm a bit uneasy with the seeming air of"Oooh Legate he's a good wise player let's listen to what he says!" around. Not that we shouldn't listen to him also, but if he's a baddie that attitude can be pretty dangerous.
Kitanna - No read.
Gollum - No read.
Nogrod - Has been surprisingly quiet, I wonder if this is again one of those games where he promises to talk less...
Brinniel - Nice and confused, as always. No idea of what her role could be.
Sally - No idea.
Shasta - Where is he?
Gwath - Where is he?
Rikae - A hard case. No idea as yet.
Mac - Seems innocentish?
McCaber - Where is he?
Fea - I haven't the foggiest idea, could be anything.
Eönwë - No read.
Lalaith - Where is she?
Eomer - Where is he?

This is all I can come up with this far. Nice jokes at the beginning, guys.
Ahem.

Maybe I'll just shut up when I have nothing more to say.


EDIT: x-ed since Gollum

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hey darling it's not a bandwagon, it's random suspicion though the grounds could be called feeble since it's only this early in the game (but that was all I had at the point, so why shouldn't I share it?). If you go back and read like five games I've last been playing you can see similar suspicions regardless of what my role has been.

I said "useless bandwaggon" as a joke, what I just meant was: I agree with your point. I wonder... what I said was absolutely no attack against you, why did you defend yourself? You confused me there, honey.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I said "useless bandwaggon" as a joke, what I just meant was: I agree with your point. I wonder... what I said was absolutely no attack against you, why did you defend yourself? You confused me there, honey.

I didn't get your joke, bunny, and thought it was a weak point since you had just said yourself that you posted something because it was all that you had.

edit: xed with Eönwë

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Then another thing related to Legate - I don't know why, but I'm a bit uneasy with the seeming air of"Oooh Legate he's a good wise player let's listen to what he says!" around. Not that we shouldn't listen to him also, but if he's a baddie that attitude can be pretty dangerous.

I definitely agree, but then on the other hand we all know those young men are crazy about him. I guess we just have to understand them...

Anyway there was especially this:

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Legate: Back to his usual self: giving good analysis and entering in the disscussion to help stimulate a chance of catching a real wolf.

Aganzir: Trying to sound like she's helping everyone by posting and showing that she's here. Her posts are somewhat helpful, but they're mostly full of petty arguments on the best way to capture a wolf (something along those lines).

Sorry if I overestimate myself but I don't really see how Legate was at that point so much more helpful than I. Yes I admit I was joking more than he but still. It's the way you have formulated the post; Legate is helping and clever while I try to sound helpful (instead of actually trying to be helpful) and my arguments are petty (although I was joking, I wasn't doing it all the time).