Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I should also just mention that every single player knows exactly what her or his role is and discussion of so-called hypothetical roles runs a very high chance of getting somebody to accidentally spill more than they intended about things they're not supposed to know about.

I really doubt that. I was a wolf once in a game where roles were kept secret - we knew there was another wolf team but the village didn't, so we had to pay extra attention so as not to slip anything (and we succeeded in that). I don't think our baddies would be any less careful.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Am I wrong to assume that this game is supposed to go something similar to Di's last game, and in that game weren't there multiple lovers working in pairs? Or perhaps we should completely throw that last game out the window and assume that anything is possible?

She said some changes might be introduced but didn't tell anything more. It might or might not be like the last game. We can't know.

edit: xed since Legate

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Agan, just questioning: was there something you read that made you suspect there might be both a 'wolf' team as well as individual lovers? Was that something that happened in the last game?

No. It was something that occurred to me while I was writing the very post in which I mentioned it. And no, it's not a theory I would really believe in unless I am proven otherwise. I didn't play in the last game but apparently there were just separate lover pairs.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

You take the defensive mode rather quickly. Why would anyone want to lynch you just because you speculate a little about gifteds in the beginning of Day1? Isn't that normal?

The point was not that someone would want to lynch me because of speculating about gifteds, the point was that today I am too talkative to be silenced but by death. I should probably have said "if someone has a problem with me talking and being annoying and demanding all the attention &c."

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I don't think so. If there are any Gifteds, that would be a big bonus, and an important thing to know. Because otherwise, we may lynch "weird" people who are behaving unusually just because they are Gifted.

But we won't know if there are gifteds, and we can lynch gifteds without knowing they are gifted anyway. Like I could be a gifted and since I won't be around at deadline you could just lynch me (not that I'd be a gifted - I'm not).

Hah now I know what's the problem with me! My avvie! Lommy once said she can't take anything I say seriously while I have this avatar.

[Lalaith]

Only skim-read so far - I'll read everything closely later tonight.
But I am presuming, for the sake of my sanity, that Di linked to her previous rules for a reason, in that they have some bearing on the current game.

But I don't wonder that this game feels weird. Even if the rules are the same as previously, we will, as Nogs has already shown, face carnage tonight. So there's a certain devil-may-care, eat-drink-and-be-merry-for-tomorrow-we-die feeling about the place.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Aganzir actually looks more like innocent to me lately.

Rikae looks more like innocent to me now, too.

Fea seems to look also innocentish to me.

Anyway:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I really doubt that. I was a wolf once in a game where roles were kept secret - we knew there was another wolf team but the village didn't, so we had to pay extra attention so as not to slip anything (and we succeeded in that). I don't think our baddies would be any less careful.

But about this, I am not so sure. I think such slips may actually happen.

EDIT: Great! At last I didn't crosspost with anybody.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Fea seems to look also innocentish to me.

All I ever ask for in life...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

But about this, I am not so sure. I think such slips may actually happen.

And I said it's possible but very unlikely. If you have to keep in your mind all the time that you know more than the rest, would it make you more careful? And mind you, the game I was speaking of had three newbie wolves and no one slipped anything.

edit: xed with Lal and Fea

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

But we won't know if there are gifteds, and we can lynch gifteds without knowing they are gifted anyway. Like I could be a gifted and since I won't be around at deadline you could just lynch me (not that I'd be a gifted - I'm not).

Wait, one thing. Somehow I did not notice this one before (I probably crossposted with it, later thinking it was the one I already read). What you say does not make sense (syntactically, semantically) with what you reply to. I said: it will be good to know what roles are around, f.ex. if we have Gifteds. Because for example, had I known for sure that there are NO Gifteds in this game now, I would not have any doubts if I found somebody behaving really, really weirdly, and I would lynch him rightaway. But if I knew there are Gifteds, I could start to ponder whether this weirdness is not a Giftedness instead of Wolfiness.
Not sure what you were supposed to say by the comment.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And I said it's possible but very unlikely. If you have to keep in your mind all the time that you know more than the rest, would it make you more careful? And mind you, the game I was speaking of had three newbie wolves and no one slipped anything.

Now thinking of it again, thank you for saying it. Now it makes sense.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

What you say does not make sense (syntactically, semantically) with what you reply to. I said: it will be good to know what roles are around, f.ex. if we have Gifteds. Because for example, had I known for sure that there are NO Gifteds in this game now, I would not have any doubts if I found somebody behaving really, really weirdly, and I would lynch him rightaway. But if I knew there are Gifteds, I could start to ponder whether this weirdness is not a Giftedness instead of Wolfiness.
Not sure what you were supposed to say by the comment.

Err in truth I'm not sure. My thinking process goes in Finnish and I'm positive that when I don't pay too much attention to what I write, at least half of my thoughts are lost in translation. And now that I read it, it doesn't make sense to me either.

I suppose the main point was that there's no way we could find out what gifteds there are, if there are any. Ahh and also I had myself as an example of someone who's behaving weirdly, and meant that if I was a gifted instead of just weird and you had a bandwagon against me towards the end of the day when I would be fast asleep, I wouldn't have a chance to come out before it would be too late.
Okay in truth I have no idea where I was getting at with that post.

edit: xed with Gollum

[Gollum the Great]

After what happened last game I find it difficult to trust either Legate or Lommy, but I won't let that bias me. Agan seems jumpy, Legate the guy with a massive brain he always is, and Mac and Rikae ready to go for Agan's throat. The others have made to few (if any) posts for me to make any decisions off of.
Tinkertetonk. Be back soon.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Ah, but if you played a cautious wolf, someone might note that that is exactly the strategy that always worked for you before. At least, this way, you have the above excuse ready-made.

ooops.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Stirring the pot? I can see what you mean in Lommy's case, but vague suspicions aren't worth much, are they (until everyone starts echoing them, and, before you know it, you have a pointless, useless bandwagon on your hands which isn't even helpful after the fact for finding baddies...).

Of course vague suspicions aren't worth much, but that was all I had at the point, so why shouldn't I share it?

Talking about useless bandwaggons: I'd like to jump on Aganzir's against Sally.

Lommy is too nice and seems to try to not make any enemies (apart from Aganzir).

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Talking about useless bandwaggons: I'd like to jump on Aganzir's against Sally.

Hey darling it's not a bandwagon, it's random suspicion though the grounds could be called feeble since it's only this early in the game (but that was all I had at the point, so why shouldn't I share it?). If you go back and read like five games I've last been playing you can see similar suspicions regardless of what my role has been.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Agan seems jumpy

Your reasons please.

Oh and before long you will probably find out that my throat is very popular among these lonely people. Fetishists...

edit: garr xed with Mac

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

After what happened last game I find it difficult to trust either Legate or Lommy, but I won't let that bias me.

Yes, and are you aware that until the last day when I was rightfully lynched, I was a wrongfully suspected innocent?

EDIT: x-ed since Gollum

[Gollum the Great]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Yes, and are you aware that until the last day when I was rightfully lynched, I was a wrongfully suspected innocent?

I remember that, rather funny.

I try to sound helpful - from Agan

I don't know about the others, but your posts haven't helped me.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

I don't know about the others, but your posts haven't helped me.

Then the problem is certainly with you, not me.
The point was that in my opinion there weren't enough differences in helpfulness between me and Legate's posts at that point to justify Groin's entirely different treatment of us. It had me wondering if he was trying to get a strong ally in Legate.

And what actually were your reasons to call me jumpy, my dear Madam/Sir?

[Thinlómien]

Now I know what's wrong with me. I've been wolf in the past two games, and I last played as innocent in early June. So small wonder if I have problems accustoming myself to really hunting wolves. I mean, I do pay attention to suspicious things people say, but I don't go as far as to start really suspecting them. I'm not thinking about who's a wolf, I'm just commenting everything that people say... Not good. Maybe I should let Greenie back here now and go re-wire my brain meanwhile...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think Mac and Rikae are weird.

I am not feeling anything especially strange about Rikae, and I have not been paying much attention to their exchanges (rather because I am really not the one for deep analysis of these exchanges), but Mac at least seemed weird to me from the beginning, and I have him marked as one to eventually vote for.

Lommy is really too tra-la-la-ley, happy and nice.

Yes, actually, this is true, too. Too unconflicting, and as I recall her from the last game, there is perhaps something similar in there. And she seems to be more... reserved to talk about various topics, keeping just out of the main spotlight, while still contributing enough to be noticed.

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

I remember that, rather funny.

Depends for whom...

EDIT: x-ed since the Gollum I quoted

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Rikae

And, Aganzir, I agree on the gender thing - we should lynch all the females in alphabetical order.

Thanks a lot, darling.

Well, anyway - I'm finally here and I can say right away that I don't suspect anyone. Maybe I'll just make a list.
Groin - No read.
Lommy - Basic lommism, meaning that she feels innocentish but knowing her she could as well be a naughty evil thing who is laughing at us all.
Aganzir - She's indeed playing a bit oddly. Maybe she's a cobbler. She tends to be more smooth as a real baddie and certainly more smooth as a gifted. but then somehow she doesn't feel like an ordo.
Legate - That guy is plain silly. Which means that I should be worried - he plays very differently from what I remember, or at least gives different vibes. He seems somehow more joking and absurd and cheerful than he usually does in WW. As though he had nothing in the world to worry about.. Then another thing related to Legate - I don't know why, but I'm a bit uneasy with the seeming air of"Oooh Legate he's a good wise player let's listen to what he says!" around. Not that we shouldn't listen to him also, but if he's a baddie that attitude can be pretty dangerous.
Kitanna - No read.
Gollum - No read.
Nogrod - Has been surprisingly quiet, I wonder if this is again one of those games where he promises to talk less...
Brinniel - Nice and confused, as always. No idea of what her role could be.
Sally - No idea.
Shasta - Where is he?
Gwath - Where is he?
Rikae - A hard case. No idea as yet.
Mac - Seems innocentish?
McCaber - Where is he?
Fea - I haven't the foggiest idea, could be anything.
Eönwë - No read.
Lalaith - Where is she?
Eomer - Where is he?

This is all I can come up with this far. Nice jokes at the beginning, guys.
Ahem.

Maybe I'll just shut up when I have nothing more to say.


EDIT: x-ed since Gollum

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hey darling it's not a bandwagon, it's random suspicion though the grounds could be called feeble since it's only this early in the game (but that was all I had at the point, so why shouldn't I share it?). If you go back and read like five games I've last been playing you can see similar suspicions regardless of what my role has been.

I said "useless bandwaggon" as a joke, what I just meant was: I agree with your point. I wonder... what I said was absolutely no attack against you, why did you defend yourself? You confused me there, honey.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I said "useless bandwaggon" as a joke, what I just meant was: I agree with your point. I wonder... what I said was absolutely no attack against you, why did you defend yourself? You confused me there, honey.

I didn't get your joke, bunny, and thought it was a weak point since you had just said yourself that you posted something because it was all that you had.

edit: xed with Eönwë

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Then another thing related to Legate - I don't know why, but I'm a bit uneasy with the seeming air of"Oooh Legate he's a good wise player let's listen to what he says!" around. Not that we shouldn't listen to him also, but if he's a baddie that attitude can be pretty dangerous.

I definitely agree, but then on the other hand we all know those young men are crazy about him. I guess we just have to understand them...

Anyway there was especially this:

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Legate: Back to his usual self: giving good analysis and entering in the disscussion to help stimulate a chance of catching a real wolf.

Aganzir: Trying to sound like she's helping everyone by posting and showing that she's here. Her posts are somewhat helpful, but they're mostly full of petty arguments on the best way to capture a wolf (something along those lines).

Sorry if I overestimate myself but I don't really see how Legate was at that point so much more helpful than I. Yes I admit I was joking more than he but still. It's the way you have formulated the post; Legate is helping and clever while I try to sound helpful (instead of actually trying to be helpful) and my arguments are petty (although I was joking, I wasn't doing it all the time).