Tol-in-Gaurhoth LI: The Pain of Wargs - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 10-09-2008, 09:24 AM

Okay, Groin would you mind answering a question or two?

You've had quite a crusade on me toDay but I really can't find any reasons why that is. Looking at your determination with it one would think you had something.

First: if you "have always a bad feeling about me in WW" then how do you justify that to yourself as a reason to suspect me in any given particular game?

Now let me give you a suggestion and do answer if you feel you need to. An innocent needs to be careful not to help in lynching an innocent and will thence be a bit careful with his suspicions - not that we shouldn't suspect everyone, on the contrary that's what we need to do - but an innocent should not monomaniacally go after one person if there is no good reason for it. Were you a wolf or a no-brainer (which I know you are not) I could understand the way you play...

Secondly: you say "He is always the perfect wolf because he behaves like a wolf all the time". I'm still waiting for any clarification on that matter both generally and even more so in this game in particular... It's easy to say "X doesn't sit right with me" or "I'm feling bad about Y" or "Z behaves like a wolf" if that's all you say. It requires some actual playing to then elaborate why. But looking at the situation where this was said suggests the intent of the comment was not so much to give further arguments to lynch me (that would clarify or add to the reasons for it) but to just keep up the spirit / discussion of lynching me. An innocent doesn't behave that way if he doesn't have a strong case - or at least I can't see the rationale behind that from an innocent.

So are you a wolf then?

Gollum: I said yesterDay that I won't be suggesting lynching you in your first game just because you decided to make your only suspicion on those that had been the only talkers - without any other reason. But it looks like you are continuing the game in the same mode, not giving forwards even a tiny little bit of reason for your suspicions. Please speak. No "threats" this time. I think I need not do that any more...

Reading through that wannabe-bandwagon gave me bad news as well. Looking at the way Lommy, Legate and Rune go to and fro there between being nice and considerate and backtracking a bit to keep the issue alive fits perfectly with the way a wolf would act...

Okay that's for that thing. When I come back I hope there are other issues to tackle as this may be more or less wasting time.

And to add...

Gwath's explanation is taken in and his status in my suspicion-list has fallen back to where it was yesterDay. Also Mith seems innocentish alongside Brinn (I don't see where you guys see her suspicious - nice, yes, but the RL explanations are too convincing as she wouldn't be that unsporty). Also Gaunt looks very good right now.

Of Di, Kath and Shasta I have nothing to say... for the obvious reason. Let's hope they can change that before the Day draws to a close.

Gwathagor · 10-09-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

You've had quite a crusade on me toDay but I really can't find any reasons why that is. Looking at your determination with it one would think you had something.

Wow, Nogrod. Looking back over toDay's posts, you're certainly right about that. When Groin says anything at all, it's usually about you. Huh.

Diamond18 · 10-09-2008, 10:06 AM

I've only had time to skim the posts, and unfortunately I have a lot of stuff to do today before work but I'll try to check back in with a vote. I hope to have time to read more and find something to base it on, but I don't know.

Sorry for not being around at all; busy RL has collided with a bad cold and left WW in the lurch.

Brinniel · 10-09-2008, 10:12 AM

Phew, I made it back. And I barely made it to class on time.

I was going to vote then, but as you can see I ran out of time. Now I have some extra time on my hands...not much, but at least a little more time to consider who I should vote for.

Groin Redbeard · 10-09-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay, Groin would you mind answering a question or two?

You've had quite a crusade on me toDay but I really can't find any reasons why that is. Looking at your determination with it one would think you had something.

First: if you "have always a bad feeling about me in WW" then how do you justify that to yourself as a reason to suspect me in any given particular game?

I have given a reason: the way that you told Gollum to back off, but like you said that is a pretty flimsy excuse and you're right that was not the real reason why I made a "crusade" against you on toDay.

Like I said before I have bad feelings about you in WW, this being from what I saw in the last game we played together, so I decided to see if you are a Were Warg by trying to cause you to slip. The obvious way of doing this is to accuse you right on, very loudly I might add,

so that you will start pointing fingers and hopefully someone who is better acquainted with you Were Warg personality would jump on you *smiles an evil smile.* However, the more esteemed players seem to have low suspicions of you, so there might be no real danger.

EDIT: X'ed with Thinlomien

10-09-2008, 09:24 AM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay, Groin would you mind answering a question or two? You've had quite a crusade on me toDay but I really can't find any reasons why that is. Looking at your determination with it one would think you had something. First: if you "have always a bad feeling about me in WW" then how do you justify that to yourself as a reason to suspect me in any given particular game? Now let me give you a suggestion and do answer if you feel you need to. An innocent needs to be careful not to help in lynching an innocent and will thence be a bit careful with his suspicions - not that we shouldn't suspect everyone, on the contrary that's what we need to do - but an innocent should not monomaniacally go after one person if there is no good reason for it. Were you a wolf or a no-brainer (which I know you are not) I could understand the way you play... Secondly: you say "He is always the perfect wolf because he behaves like a wolf all the time". I'm still waiting for any clarification on that matter both generally and even more so in this game in particular... It's easy to say "X doesn't sit right with me" or "I'm feling bad about Y" or "Z behaves like a wolf" if that's all you say. It requires some actual playing to then elaborate why. But looking at the situation where this was said suggests the intent of the comment was not so much to give further arguments to lynch me (that would clarify or add to the reasons for it) but to just keep up the spirit / discussion of lynching me. An innocent doesn't behave that way if he doesn't have a strong case - or at least I can't see the rationale behind that from an innocent. So are you a wolf then? Gollum: I said yesterDay that I won't be suggesting lynching you in your first game just because you decided to make your only suspicion on those that had been the only talkers - without any other reason. But it looks like you are continuing the game in the same mode, not giving forwards even a tiny little bit of reason for your suspicions. Please speak. No "threats" this time. I think I need not do that any more... Reading through that wannabe-bandwagon gave me bad news as well. Looking at the way Lommy, Legate and Rune go to and fro there between being nice and considerate and backtracking a bit to keep the issue alive fits perfectly with the way a wolf would act... Okay that's for that thing. When I come back I hope there are other issues to tackle as this may be more or less wasting time. And to add... Gwath's explanation is taken in and his status in my suspicion-list has fallen back to where it was yesterDay. Also Mith seems innocentish alongside Brinn (I don't see where you guys see her suspicious - nice, yes, but the RL explanations are too convincing as she wouldn't be that unsporty). Also Gaunt looks very good right now. Of Di, Kath and Shasta I have nothing to say... for the obvious reason. Let's hope they can change that before the Day draws to a close. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 10-09-2008 at 09:28 AM.

10-09-2008, 10:06 AM	#3
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	I've only had time to skim the posts, and unfortunately I have a lot of stuff to do today before work but I'll try to check back in with a vote. I hope to have time to read more and find something to base it on, but I don't know. Sorry for not being around at all; busy RL has collided with a bad cold and left WW in the lurch. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

10-09-2008, 10:12 AM	#4
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Phew, I made it back. And I barely made it to class on time. I was going to vote then, but as you can see I ran out of time. Now I have some extra time on my hands...not much, but at least a little more time to consider who I should vote for. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum