The Good and The Bad - a Quick Look at the Movies - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eönwë · 06-16-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

There are many many current movies where the evil, bad ambassador is granted parley, and even though you know the guy is as rotten as his teeth usually is, are granted parley. Look at Troy, Gladiator, King Arthur, Braveheart, The Patriot, Kingdom of Heaven all these movies have "Rules of War" and treating with the enemies' ambassador/leader. I saw Prince Caspian about a week ago (absolutely loved it by the way!) and the evil Telmarine King dude is treated with dignity and respect when he is bartering a deal with the good King Edmund. So, I don't by the "modern audience won't understand" excuse for this one. Beheading the MoS is just inexcusable.

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Originally Posted by MatthewM

Haven't you seen 300?!?! "THIS IS SPARTA!"

I was going to say, that. But even though 300 has next to no plotline compared to LOTR, even there it was treated as shocking. I mean, look at the messenger's last words: "NO man threatens a messenger. This is blasphemy! This is madness!" Anyway, there it had no story and was done for visual effect. In LOTR EE he kills him it so casually (but then If we're talking about ROTK I have quite a few complaints there).

And also MatthewM, I don't know if thiss has been said before, but I like the way Gandalf speaks the Black Speech in Rivendell.

Macalaure · 06-17-2008, 02:30 AM

What should be added to The Bad, I think, are the Stairs of Khazad-dûm, a completely unnecessary scene featuring a defiance of the laws of physics and, on top of that, the first attempted Dwarf tossing. It does create some tension, but one has to wonder whether a Balrog(!) alone wouldn't have sufficed for this purpose.

Talking of the Balrog, I would add him to The Good. He did not look the way he was supposed to, but the way he was presented was rather effective.

MatthewM · 06-17-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

And also MatthewM, I don't know if thiss has been said before, but I like the way Gandalf speaks the Black Speech in Rivendell.

Yes, that's on the list under the Good category. I agree!

Mac- I agree, the Balrog should make the Good list.

06-17-2008, 02:30 AM	#2
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	What should be added to The Bad, I think, are the Stairs of Khazad-dûm, a completely unnecessary scene featuring a defiance of the laws of physics and, on top of that, the first attempted Dwarf tossing. It does create some tension, but one has to wonder whether a Balrog(!) alone wouldn't have sufficed for this purpose. Talking of the Balrog, I would add him to The Good. He did not look the way he was supposed to, but the way he was presented was rather effective.