Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Di

I just had an idea.

The points Roa made about choosing between Rikae or Legate to lynch set off alarm bells in my head. Not directed at Roa, but at the fact that Rikae's reveal conveniently "forces" the village to choose between two options.

And Rikae revealed right around the time we were all discussing......

Cailin.

I love you, little sister.

This is exactly what I've been thinking.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Cailin

She may have been scried and knows the GW is going to challenge her tomorrow.

Since when do Wizards know when the other Wizard scried them? Or the Seer dreamed of them? I don't recall seeing that in the rules.

No, no... that doesn't work.

[Cailín]

It's nice to see you are all so obsessed with me.

Did anyone actually read my defence, because it's all quite puzzling to me.

Why would an unsuspected wolf or EW reveal if I was a wolf, merely to save me? I'm already under so much suspicion that there is absolutely no chance of this working. If it works today, it will not work tomorrow. So, Di, you are obsessive, unwilling to debate, and mad.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Cailín

Why would an unsuspected wolf or EW reveal if I was a wolf, merely to save me?

Not for any reason I can think of. But if you were the EW, that would be a different thing... (just like I said before, but you might have crossed with that)


edit: xed with Legate and Di

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Cailín

So, Di, you are obsessive, unwilling to debate, and mad.

I'm not mad, I'm excited. I'm pretty sure I've uncovered an evil plot.

(And I LOVE all the drama today. It's what I joined this game for, after all.)

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by morm

Lommy, the biggest problem I have with you analysis is that you have an assumption that, in my mind, is invalid. I don't think the EW would reveal the identity of the other wolves. It seems easier to have the wolves remain undected if they don't know each other.

I never claimed I assumed so. I just wanted to see what turns up if we assume so. And there was nothing interesting, as you see.

Originally Posted by Nilp

P.S. <3 Dury and her shamelessly letting others promote her. Will you be my mistress?

I just might have to vote Nilp after all.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Actually, you seemed to be thinking about Agan since Day One. Why? What was it that was suspicious about her?

I think that was pretty much all I was talking about yesterDay... Anyway, her tone/style, mostly, and later the fact that she "suspected" me. Usually she 99% right aabout my role so this total misinterpretation made me rise my eyebrows even more.

Originally Posted by tp

Lommy, remember that WerePenguin game? Remember the way Boro and Ang set off my alarms from the get-go. That's how I'm feeling with Cailin.

Yes, I do. But I don't like the way you're trying to befirend me... I don't trust you.

McCaber, morm and Kath are real submarines. Greenie has slipped under my radar too.

I don't like it how Lalaith is so blindly working on the principle that the EW is dying to find the GW. Surely he wants to find her, but is it his sole scrying principle? I doubt that. After all, he's far less desperate for a duel than the GW...

Originally Posted by Greenie

I disagree. Even if the wolves knew one another's identities, I'd still think it quite probable there is a wolf among a bandwagon against a fellow.

On Day1 when they get more kills if they all survive the Day? Unlikely.

Originally Posted by Cailiomer the Schizo

I also don't understand why Lommy posted:
STOP TRUSTING MY JUDGEMENT ON AGANZIR!!!!!!!!!!
Or something similar. Weird thing to say. Very eager to direct the accusations but unwilling to take too much responsibility?

The simple answer: I was annoyed. I was not sure about Agan's role and it irked me that peple believed me simply because we're RL friends. That doesn't make me infallible about her, wuite the contrary.

Originally Posted by Rikae

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Downloaded a program to do that even on my American keyboard.

That almost freaks even a Finn out... (We have separate keys for ä and ö.)

Originally Posted by Rikae

Lalaith said I'm a very likely scry, and I agree. I'm sure the people who matter know what I am by now.I really am not this great player everybody thinks I am, and the fact that everybody thinks so makes me more prominent than I rightly should be. I would not give a role to me - you don't get the skill to match the hype - but I don't doubt I've been scried.

This is an interesting line, and weird, but it kind of matches with the current speculations about her role...

Originally Posted by Izzie

I've only skimmed the thing between Lommy and Aganzir, and vaguely remembering the game where it was an all-female wolf pack..Volo's game.. I remember (if correctly) Lommy and Aganzir were both wolves - and Lommy claimed gifted. So I wouldn't put it past either of them to be up to shenanigans together. I think most of us believe that the wolves and EW don't know each other. Could be very true, but I don't think the EW has to let ALL of the wolves know/communicate between themselves. If they'd picked two particularly sneaky schemers, s/he could've informed the two of each other and let them loose on the board.

That was an awesome game, but I wouldn't compare it to this one. I only claimed to be gifted when I was feeling I'd get caught anyway, more to stir the pot than to actually save myself or any of my fellows.

Why Lalaith seems EW ish to me is that she's thinking so much from the Ew perspective. Also, she looks like she was asking advice from Roa the ex-EW.


edit: xed with everything but Di's post after mine...

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Cailín

Why would an unsuspected wolf or EW reveal if I was a wolf, merely to save me? I'm already under so much suspicion that there is absolutely no chance of this working.

I'm not sure that Rikae was entirely unsuspected. But I think you would have to be the EW for a wolf to do something this desperate. That assumes, of course, that you, as EW, would have revealed yourself to at least one of your minions. Hmm.

[Gwathagor]

So, IF Rikae is trying to distract us from Cailin with a phony "reveal", then Cailin must be the EW. And if that is the case, tp, then it is useless to try to lynch Cailin and really does make more sense to lynch Rikae, as Roa has pointed out. However, the Rikae-Cailin connection is highly speculative.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by the phantom

This is exactly what I've been thinking.

Which is why I don't trust that thought.

[the phantom]

Which is why I don't trust that thought.

If I said I didn't believe it anymore would you hop onto the bus?

Because I'm perfectly willing to let you drive this thing, so long as it goes where I'm thinking it should go.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If I said I didn't believe it anymore would you hop onto the bus?

Because I'm perfectly willing to let you drive this thing, so long as it goes where I'm thinking it should go.

I never hop on buses. Or BANDWAGONS. Which is where this is heading. All that I seen against Cailin so far has not really convinced me she's evil.