Werewolf XLIV: In the House of Tom Bombadil - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rikae · 03-03-2008, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

On the other hand– Rikae, Volo may look only 50% guilty to you, but from here he looks about 95% guilty; I mean, what would he have to do to convince you of his guilt? You're asking me to take it on faith that he behaves like this when innocent.

You don't have to take it on faith - you can go look at some of his past games. A good example would be the one I modded, WW XXXIII, whre he was the seer and claimed, on Day one, to be immortal. He ended up doublt-lynched with Mac, a wolf. Looking at any of his past games should give you a good idea of how he is, though. I suggest you do so before voting toDay.

Rikae · 03-03-2008, 06:27 AM

While you're at it, look at some of Mith's games and see if she's the type to blatently lie.

Nogrod · 03-03-2008, 07:11 AM

This is looking all the more creepier.

Okay answering two things in a way to both Lommy and Rikae: my tone was a bit "frustrated" I'd myself say it was as I first see you two looking like forming an alliance to get me lynched - and thence give the victory to the wolves - and then Lommy goes on making untrue RL arguments to give me one more push.* I was indeed quite disappointed with her - and in a sense am still.

About the "buddying up" thing. As you have yourself noted already I'm against lynching vocal players early in the game unless there seems to be reasons to actually suspect them over others - and I also know that loudly voiced suspicions may end up generating a lynch. Had I seen something that looked as wolfy as Mac's posts in the early Days I would have surely jumped on either of you two (or Boro for that matter).

Also it's funny that as my last reaction to Mac's revealed innocence was that people should look at Lommy and Rikae if I'm not around anymore the next Day begins with those two buddying up to get me lynched...

But this is no time for retaliatory actions. Two miss-votes toDay and we're done for. And it could be anyone... any three. I mean even if Nerwen is one of my top candidates still I must agree with her that Volo being Volo just isn't enough to let him fly under our radars. And I would like to hear something from Mith.

So what then? I'm sadly still having piles of essays to read and can't play much but I will come back later and try to do my best then.

* Just a quote from the roles & rules, the first lines.

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Originally Posted by Agan

-Three werewolves. They may PM at Nights and pick a kill, which should be sent to me at least an hour before the deadline - otherwise there will be no kill.

Lommy herself said they had left 40 minutes before... But okay, no more of that from my part.

EDIT: X'd with many Rikae's and one Lommy

Rikae · 03-03-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

About the "buddying up" thing. As you have yourself noted already I'm against lynching vocal players early in the game unless there seems to be reasons to actually suspect them over others - and I also know that loudly voiced suspicions may end up generating a lynch.

You always advocate leaving loud players alone, but I've never actually seen you act on it so extremely before. I have also never been thought innocent by you for so long.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

* Just a quote from the roles & rules, the first lines.
Lommy herself said they had left 40 minutes before... But okay, no more of that from my part.

I wonder whether you needed to PM at all, though. Perhaps you could just speak to your fellow wolf?

All this is beside the point, though, really. I think the issue is that you might have killed Greenie knowing she wouldn't be around? This actually makes me wonder whether Lommy was giving us her own reasoning behind killing her sister...

At any rate, please give us your opinions on everybody else -- I'm quite anxious to hear them. Also, can you explain why you helped the Gwath wagon, and then denounced it... and why you voted for Mac so halfheartedly, but only after he was already done for?

EDIT: X'd with Nerwen

Nogrod · 03-03-2008, 07:50 AM

Okay, absolutely the last post for the time being (I'm going to shut the PC down so as not to be able to see any more posts in a while).

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Originally Posted by Rikae

At any rate, please give us your opinions on everybody else -- I'm quite anxious to hear them.

What I gave just a few minutes ago in #461 sadly is the best I have now time for...

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Also, can you explain why you helped the Gwath wagon, and then denounced it... and why you voted for Mac so halfheartedly, but only after he was already done for?

You could go back and read your summary or rather my posting then - and I explained it once already the next Day after being asked. He was looking suspicious but as the Day draw closer to the end I started to have second thoughts among many others - and as I saw still the huge wagon emerging including half of the village I thought it too fishy as there had to be wolves there and they wouldn't lynch a partner that easily on Day1 so Gwath was more probably innocent than not.

I voted Mac as soon as I got the computer from Greenie and I had seen him confess his wolvery, therefore the "as it actually looks pretty clear now, then...." - if that's what you mean. I don't know if that is halfheartedness but more like a statement of the inevitable (he confessed so let's be done away with it then).

Rikae · 03-03-2008, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I voted Mac as soon as I got the computer from Greenie and I had seen him confess his wolvery, therefore the "as it actually looks pretty clear now, then...." - if that's what you mean. I don't know if that is halfheartedness but more like a statement of the inevitable (he confessed so let's be done away with it then).

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Originally Posted by Nogrod's vote

But as it actually looks pretty clear now, then...

++ Macalaure

But that done I must say I'm not at all too happy with this whole thing. There were too many easy bandwaggonings toDay and I must agree with Volo that I do not like it. With the unanimous decision the fellows have just slipped in to join.

Okay, I see... I misinterpreted. I thought you hadn't seen his confession yet. It is strange, though, that you take such a pessimistic view of lynching a "known" wolf, at any rate.

Rikae · 03-03-2008, 08:06 AM

Okay, Nogrod looks a little better, considering the above.

I'm uneasy about the fact that, although she has been talked about as being creepy, no one (but me) is seriously suspecting Durelin. I actually would tend to think, considering the general creepy feelings mentioned about her, the wolves would have taken the opportunity by now to scapegoat her, were she innocent. I also dislike the way that Menel is being completely ignored. To me, his behavior has been more blatently suspicious than Volo's.

So, a summary:

Suspicious:
Menel
Lommy & Nogrod (like I said, I think one is a wolf, probably not both)

Unsure:
Volo
Durelin

Of the two, I think Durelin's more likely a wolf because Menel appears to be protecting her, and there is so much silence around her. No one seems willing to analyze her (I fear I might not have the time, myself). Volo's voting is the one thing about him that really looks particularly suspicious to me.

Innocentish:
Nerwen
Mith

Nerwen has an air of sincerity, though I'd still consider the possibility she's a wolf. Mith I'm basically leaving alone for now, for reasons previously mentioned. Even if she is devious enough to be a wolf after her previous performance, there are two other wolves out there.

I really don't like the fact that so few people are really analyzing - now, when we need it most!

EDIT: Removed redundant "about him"

03-03-2008, 06:27 AM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	While you're at it, look at some of Mith's games and see if she's the type to blatently lie.

03-03-2008, 08:06 AM	#7
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Okay, Nogrod looks a little better, considering the above. I'm uneasy about the fact that, although she has been talked about as being creepy, no one (but me) is seriously suspecting Durelin. I actually would tend to think, considering the general creepy feelings mentioned about her, the wolves would have taken the opportunity by now to scapegoat her, were she innocent. I also dislike the way that Menel is being completely ignored. To me, his behavior has been more blatently suspicious than Volo's. So, a summary: Suspicious: Menel Lommy & Nogrod (like I said, I think one is a wolf, probably not both) Unsure: Volo Durelin Of the two, I think Durelin's more likely a wolf because Menel appears to be protecting her, and there is so much silence around her. No one seems willing to analyze her (I fear I might not have the time, myself). Volo's voting is the one thing about him that really looks particularly suspicious to me. Innocentish: Nerwen Mith Nerwen has an air of sincerity, though I'd still consider the possibility she's a wolf. Mith I'm basically leaving alone for now, for reasons previously mentioned. Even if she is devious enough to be a wolf after her previous performance, there are two other wolves out there. I really don't like the fact that so few people are really analyzing - now, when we need it most! EDIT: Removed redundant "about him"