Werewolf XLII, Mist in the Barrow Downs

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Greenie made jokes to Sally and promised to "give a tight eye to her" but after being suspected on making serious suspicions on weak grounds she goes on to "admit" she had made them because she had read Sally carelessly. So why didn't she just say it was a joke as it clearly was one?

You got me wrong, I'm afraid. I didn't say it was a joke because it wasn't just a joke. Of course I wasn't being entirely serious, and was posting in-character (and having a character which might seem, well, joke-ish). Bah. I might as well explain it thoroughly, since you guys don't seem to understand just how trivial this matter is.

I read Sally's post (not quite as carefully as I maybe should have) and interpreted it as a semi-serious suspicion behind a joke-ish in-character post. I wasn't sure at all, that early in the game, and her "suspicion" of Nogrod seemed fishy to me. Therefore I mentioned it in my post. However, my in-character role and the insignificant details of the post (like the "throwing pillows is evil behaviour" -thing and all that stuff) might have made it look like a joke among jokes. I keep wondering how certain people could interpret it as a serious suspicion on Sally. Though I found her statement about Noggins slightly fishy, it doesn't mean I think she is a wolf, it was just a detail I paid attention to. Then when I was accused of "failing to see that Sally was joking", I re-read her post and concluded that she probably was.

Is that enough?

Also, to Lommy:

Originally Posted by Lommie

That kind of friendliness (note the smiley) just seems all too wrong to me, it actually reminds me of my wolf attitude - I've made a post just like that as a wolf. There's something quite feigned in the tone and that "did I explain understandably?"+smilie combination."

Well. If you want me to explain why I used a smilie, then I can tell you that it was because I thought "Was that answer enough, or do you want me to explain some more?" sounds much more aggressive and annoyed than I felt.

Then to business.

Mac's theory on Nerwen, Agan and Gwath being the wolves was very interesting, but I don't think it is a valid reason to suspect Nerwen or Agan that they answer Gwath's inquiries about game rules. I would have done the same had I been online then. Nevertheless I'll probably be watching the interactions between the three of them more closely after Mac's find.
Even though I don't find Nerwen and Agan's behaviour especially wolvish, I do find Gwathy's questions a little disturbing. Why not read things like that from the rules post? That reminds me of my first game ever as a wolf, when I wanted to underline my newbieness to use it as an explanation for my oddities ("I'm just a silly newbie, I don't know how the game works!"). Otherwise he looks quite genuine except for his slight eagerness to agree with more experienced players.

Agan looks innocentish, which in her case means that she is probably a wolf. She is perhaps a bit less wary or, should we say, neat (if you get what I mean) than she has been in the two other games I've had with her (and she was a wolf in both). Leaning towards innocent, I guess.

Sally's apparently random vote on Shasta was really weird, as was her regretful tone of "I hope there won't be a bandwagon on this poor fellow". It was like "I don't want you lynched but I vote for you all the same". I would definitely like to have an explanation from Sally on Day 2 if she doesn't appear before DL and doesn't get lynched. I don't think a wolf would have acted that way - though I don't understand behaviour like that from an ordo, either. So, I'm very confused about her.

Rikae's overall confidence is slightly alarming, especially in Mac's case.

Originally Posted by Rikae

my opinion at this point is that Macalaure is innocent as a little lamb.

Just a trivial matter, but the "innocent as a little lamb" brings me in mind of some big bad wolf in a fable prowling around little lambs.

Also Legate's post made me uneasy, I can't put my finger on it but there was a sense of falseness in it, be it the over-cheerful "All right, friends!" -attitude or something else.

That's about all I have in mind for now. I'll be back to vote before the deadline, though I don't know who I'm going to vote for yet. The people I'm most uneasy with at the moment are probably Sally, Gwath, Rikae and Legate. I reserve the right to change my opinion on them if they give me reason to change it.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Rikae's overall confidence is slightly alarming, especially in Mac's case. Just a trivial matter, but the "innocent as a little lamb" brings me in mind of some big bad wolf in a fable prowling around little lambs.

I haven't been wrong about Mac in ages. That's why I focus on "testing" him early on - he's the easiest person to read, for me.
As for the little lamb, I was indeed thinking of wolves and lambs, as in "either Mac is an innocent lamb or a wolf in sheep's clothing."
My first phrase was "pure as the driven snow and innocent as a cute little lamb. With a ribbon around its neck. In a field of daises. With a halo." But I thought that might be a tad over-the-top.

[Nogrod]

(OOC: LG and I are sharing the computer so we'll be able to post less than we might otherwise do...)

I quess I'm buying Greenie's explanation for the moment but I'm still a bit worried about Mac - and Rikae's latest confidence in Mac didn't ease my situation a bit as the old idea I thought I could get myself rid of ("when they both are in a game they are either wolves or lovers of which at least the other one is a wolf") started emerging in the back of my head.

Still I do agree with Rikae on Shasta - and about Nerwen, especially on the "too self-conscious" thing.

Also Sally's vote kind of makes me think about suggesting lynching her just out of pure annoyance. When one declares that one's vote is random there is nothing anyone can think or say about that "choice" as it is no choice and thence it leaves no tracks. That is either a cowardly way of playing or a clumsy trick by a wolf.

Also it's interesting that while announcing her vote to be random that random vote was indeed Shasta. Now with no disregard to Shasta I'd say that was the easiest or smoothest choice, something she might have thought wouldn't be jumped on by anyone... or a vote someone she voted for would come back at her. So was it a random-vote at all or just claimed random-vote? I'm thinking it was the latter and if I'm correct that looks very bad indeed.

You others have already pointed out all the backtracking she made alongside her vote (all the sorrys & hopefully I'm not starting a bandwaggon etc...).

[Macalaure]

Good to see I'm not alone with my suspicions.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Am I correct in thinking, Mac, that you didn't intend the content of your conversation-starter to be misleading, but rather were looking for wolvish behavior of hovering around the edges of a debate?

I have been understood!

Originally Posted by Rikae

my opinion at this point is that Macalaure is innocent as a little lamb.

Meeh.


I'm pretty much in agreement with Rikae's thoughts in her last post.


I would prefer voting for Nerwen or Aganzir, probably Aganzir more. I would like to vote right away, but I'm afraid I need to be careful since I might need to vote Sally in order to save myself. Since I think Sally is innocent, I'm not very eager to do that.

The third wolf next to Nerwen and Aganzir could be Gwatha or Lily, or somebody else who's been hiding well so far. We'll have time to find him.

[A Little Green]

I have to vote now because Noggins needs time to post as well. So without further explanations,

++ Gwath

Simply because he looks most suspicious to me at the moment.

ToMorrow I promise to look at those who have slipped completely under my radar (meaning at least Lommy, Menel, and Noggins).

[Nogrod]

Mac 2
Gwath 1
Menel 1
Sally 1
Shasta 1

Right?

And where are all the people?

I would be quite uncomfortable voting for Mac on these basis alone.

Sadly I haven't had time enough to read Nerwen and Aganzir to actually form a reasoned opinion on them even if I feel there might be something wrong there.

Of those already gaining votes I might be persuaded to vote for Sally (look at my last post for reasons).

EDIT: x'd with Mac

[Nerwen]

Okay, I guess I'm going to be voting for either Mac or Sally. A Little Green sounds better to me after her last post, and I don't want to lynch Gwathagor toDay, since he's new. Besides, I don't really find him that suspicious.

I can't understand why Rikae is so convinced Mac is innocent or why she claims to suspect those who suspect him. I'm trying to be as objective as I can, and I think he's been behaving in a notably peculiar way. And far from "misrepresenting" him, I was simply honestly saying what I thought he meant.

Sally's vote for Shasta was perhaps the single most wolfish thing anyone has done today. Or rather, not the vote itself, since Shasta was already under a bit of suspicion, but the reasons she gave for it. On the other hand– this is Sally we're talking about. She's always weird. Also, it seems she's ill, which may account for some of the extra weirdness.

I'm still not sure what to do.

Edit: ran out of time. Sorry.
2nd edit (at peril of modwrath): X'd with everyone since Mac at #121.