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The bottomline being Gimli is a character who gets reduced to disrespectful and at times gross humour. Standing on Balin's tomb doesn't seem to be so much so as reclining on the Steward's throne having a smoke. And just to point out what WCH already did, Faramir was the Ruling Steward at this time, so Denethor abusing his power and being dead is not a valid excuse (at least in my opinion).
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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The replies here, and there have been many coming at this from various angles, have concerned themselves with the world of the films - as I think is right. Aragorn may not have yet assumed the crown in a formal ceremony but by that time in the tale, everyone knew , including all in that throne room, who Aragorn was and what his position was. Quempel had a great point in that if Aragorn wanted Gimli to sit in the chair of the vacant steward, then that certainly is okay. Who in that room was going to challenge that boon extended to Gimli by Aragorn? And I think they had far greater things on their minds than the mere courtesy extended to a chair and who it did or did not represent. |
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Quite a few things to address. Your comments were disrespectful to me, StW, and I will post whatever topics I please concerning my grudges with the films. Hair color is a big deal to me. Get over it. Alatar said it best - to each his own.
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Do not speak for me. Apparently the subject of the thread was not "clearly indicated" to you, for Boro88 is correct. This thread, although showcasing a movie flaw, has everything to do with the books. Let me try to explain this to you. The book was written. Years later, the movies based off the book are filmed. How in the world are you going to continue to preach on how movies are movies and books are books? I understand that these are two very different medias, and the films have to be treated in a certain way - but the fact remains that Peter Jackson was basing his films on J.R.R. Tolkien's beloved books. There are some things in the films that should not have been, for they are contrary to the books. Gimli sitting on the vacant Steward's chair is completely disrespectful. Quote:
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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Matthew..... look, lets be brutally honest here. You don't like me and have a real problem with me. Months ago, you told me to leave here and your animosity has only grown since then. Now its a full blown case of anger which shows in your nearly every post that has something to do with me.
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I do not speak for you. My mind does not work that way. But I can look at what you wrote and state what it means to me. That is what we all do. You are grasping at straws. You post clearly was looking to poke some holes in Jacksons movies. Period. You did not like the treatment of Gilmi on Balins tomb or on the chair of the Steward. Both of those are things YOU SAW IN THE MOVIES. Hair color. You tell me to get over it. Your individual obsession with your idols hair color borders on being a bad joke. Your complaining about it saying its suppose to be black (again with the books) while in the movies it was brown, makes 14 year old starstruck girls sound rational. Here is your latest example of irrational postings: Quote:
Peter Jackson has no obligation to put any one scene, any one character, any certain hair color in his movies based on anything that Tolkien wrote. No obligation of any kind. He had the right to do anything he wanted with those books. He could use what he wanted to use. He could cut what he wanted to cut. He could change what he wanted to change. He could add what he wanted to add. And it was JRRTolkien himself who gave him that right. Nobody else. Peter Jackson cannot change one page, one paragraph, one word, on item of punctuation in LOTR. He does not have that right. And thats because movies are one thing while books are quite another. JRRTolkien knew that. Peter Jackson knows that. I know that. Its too bad that you claim to know that but it still seeps into your reasoning like polluted water fouling a clear stream. You want to play nice. Fine, I can play nice. You want to take off the gloves and play rough. I can do that too. Believe me young man, you have not seen anything yet. I prefer nice and civil. But be forewarned. Think about what you want to do with this direction. |
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What's wrong with you people?
Some respect please even if you disagree... PS. I just realised what is it in British parlance: manners, please.
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Ironic, considering the title of the thread.
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I do regret if I offended anyone by getting angry. I did feel that I was being baited and probably went a bit far with the play fair or rough remarks. Here is to getting back on track... and on topic.
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![]() StW, you're a provocateur, short and sweet. I assume that the 'direction' above indicates that you will provide MatthewM and like diehard book fans with the 'Unified Theory of Tolkien,' like the physics Holy Grail of the Unified Theory of Gravity, would tie together the Books and the Movies in one sweeping theorem. Short of that, and the proofs that it would require, you then simply hold an opinion. That's cool, but I wouldn't oversell it. By the by, I'm glad that MatthewM has started this thread, as I overlooked another Jackson flaw (over five billions and counting) with the observation regarding Gimli and the Throne of Denethor II - one of over 26 Stewards to rule in the King's stead, and yet his seat is no better than a common stool. Oh, and hair colour? Forgot that one too. I figure that once I get the list to six billion, surely someone will then have the movies recalled. Until then I can only sit and scrawl... ![]()
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