Lack of respect displayed by Gimli

[alatar]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Alatar would be proud of you.

Great... How I came about as having a nitpicking eye is anyone's guess.

If Gimli were so ready to 'let them come' in the Chamber of Mazarbul, he wouldn't have stood on Balin's tomb but stood tall out in front of the Fellowship where, just maybe, his short stance, arm reach and axe attack may actually have been of some benefit. Think that PJ intended no disrespect, as we know he treated each character with the dignity that we fans would expect, but merely had to put poor Gimli somewhere in order to 'get the shot.'

Not sure that PJ intended for Gimli to be showing the Steward's seat any disrespect either; Gimli may have sat on the Ruling Steward's throne - a place of honor for over 26 generations - as there just wasn't anywhere else for the Dwarf to be.

And there was always the possibility that he could fall out of it.

[Bêthberry]

Gimli is the Rodney Dangerfield of the movie.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Well, I never thought of the whole sitting on the throne thing before, but I guess that Gimli standing on Balin's tomb was because he was defending it from the cave troll!

[Sauron the White]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White
This seems to be the perfect time for a Saturday Night Live sketch gently poking fun at .....

never mind.

and reply from MatthewM

Poking fun at? You mean falling short of a laugh, right?

Not right. Not at all. You see Matt, and I know this may hard for younger people to understand, but once upon a time, many years ago when the earth was young and dinosaurs roamed the planet, Saturday Night Live was actually a very funny show with talented people that made you laugh. Then the century turned and it devolved into the dull show you know.

I am glad to see that such a wide variety of people seem to find nothing at all wrong with the Moria scene and have very logical explainations for it.

Perhaps Matthew, you have another film topic for discussion of greater importance. I remember in the past the controversy of hair color was something close to your heart. But I do welcome the discussion and free and open exchange of frank opinion.

[Gwathagor]

Get outta here, StW.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Not right. Not at all. You see Matt, and I know this may hard for younger people to understand, but once upon a time, many years ago when the earth was young and dinosaurs roamed the planet, Saturday Night Live was actually a very funny show with talented people that made you laugh. Then the century turned and it devolved into the dull show you know.

Back when Belushi was on the show.

I am glad to see that such a wide variety of people seem to find nothing at all wrong with the Moria scene and have very logical explainations for it.

My issue with the scene, in regards to Gimli, is the apparent extendability of the Dwarf's neck. From one camera angle, the Dwarf kneels near the tomb of his fallen kinsman. Gimli's head is a over a foot from the stone. Next we see him, without moving, lean/nod his head forward and touch his helm to the tomb.

Must be due to Dwarves having the ability to move quickly even when it looks as if they aren't moving at all, something that will help later in the chase across Rohan.

Perhaps Matthew, you have another film topic for discussion of greater importance. I remember in the past the controversy of hair color was something close to your heart.

To each his own.

But I do welcome the discussion and free and open exchange of frank opinion.

...and who's Frank?

[Sauron the White]

alatar - I agree that the years with Belushi were the very best on SNL.


from Gwathagor

Get outta here, StW

Why would you post something so obviously rude? I enjoy honest discussion about the films, the author, the books and other Middle-earth issues. I respect the educated opinion of many here. I notice that I continually cross swords with people like davem, William Cloud Hicklin and even alatar in the distant past, but all have remained civil and have not resorted to telling me to leave. They deal with issues - not resorting to personal sniping.

Are you afraid of differing opinion?

I am rather confused about what is going on here in the minds of a couple of people.

[Gwathagor]

I'm sorry; it's not personal, really. I do find your antagonistic posting style to be rather galling, but I oughtn't to have said anything. I retract the previous remark and shall reserve my judgment for the time being.

[Hammerhand]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

alatar - I agree that the years with Belushi were the very best on SNL.


from Gwathagor



Why would you post something so obviously rude? I enjoy honest discussion about the films, the author, the books and other Middle-earth issues. I respect the educated opinion of many here. I notice that I continually cross swords with people like davem, William Cloud Hicklin and even alatar in the distant past, but all have remained civil and have not resorted to telling me to leave. They deal with issues - not resorting to personal sniping.

Are you afraid of differing opinion?

I am rather confused about what is going on here in the minds of a couple of people.

I thought your prior comment was pretty disrespectful to Matt to be honest - i think its important not to take things so seriously and accept a bit of stick when it ventures your way that way nobody has to "cross swords".

As regards to Gimli, I'm not sure who mentioned the comic-relief element of his portrayal but i found it quite irritating. I know John Rhys Davies added alot to the comedy value of the character, with his own catchphrases and so on but it was a tad overdone in my opinion.

A viewer with no prior knowledge of the Fellowship would have thought Legolas to be a God, Boromir a loser, and Gimli a midget clown. Each is as ridiculous a notion as the last!

Anyway.. with the tomb of Balin, and the stationing on the Steward's chair. I never picked up on it foremost, though i guess it would have been "frown-worthy" to sit on the Steward's chair not being a Steward, sort of like sitting on our Queen's throne to a slightly lesser degree, which would, i believe, be a massive mark of disrespect.

I don't think the standing on Balin's tomb was so big a deal, after all - he was attempting to protect it with his life against the Troll and nasty Orcsssss.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by TheGreatElvenWarrior

Well, I never thought of the whole sitting on the throne thing before, but I guess that Gimli standing on Balin's tomb was because he was defending it from the cave troll!

Right, the throne room is a debatable mistake, but accusing Gimli of disrespecting his cousin's tomb is outragious. He stayed on top of it to defend Balin until the troll came and nearly smashed them both. Even then he tried to stop the troll by throughing a gigantic axe at it.