WW XXXXI: With a Twist - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-30-2007, 05:09 PM

Okay. YesterDay's votes went this way:

Kath : Nerwen (Nerwen 1)
Nerwen : Mormegil (Nerwen 1, Morm 1)
Mormegil : Nerwen (Nerwen 2, Morm 1)
Nerwen : - Morm (Nerwen 2)
Boromir : Might (Nerwen 2, Might 1)
Might : Eomer (Nerwen 2, Might 1, Eomer 1)
Saucepan : Mac (Nerwen 2, Might 1, Eomer 1, Mac 1)
Farael: Mac (Nerwen 2, Mac 2, Might 1, Eomer 1)
Aganzir : Mac (Mac 3, Nerwen 2, Might 1, Eomer 1)
Isabellyka: Nerwen (Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 1, Eomer 1)
Rikae: Aganzir (Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 1, Eomer 1, Aganzir 1)
Macalaure Aganzir (Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Aganzir 2, Might 1, Eomer 1)
Legate: Aganzir (Aganzir 3, Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 1, Eomer 1)
Eomer: Might (Aganzir 3, Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 2, Eomer 1)
Boromir: - Might (Aganzir 3, Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 1, Eomer 1)
(Aganzir&Mac, these silly switch-votes, I don't count them as they changed nothing)
Nerwen: Mac (Mac 4, Nerwen 3, Aganzir 3, Might 1, Eomer 1)
Boromir: Nerwen (Mac 4, Nerwen 4, Aganzir 3, Might 1, Eomer 1)
Rikae: - Aganzir, Nerwen (Nerwen 5, Mac 4, Aganzir 3, Might 1, Eomer 1)

So, all in all: after looking through the list and through the votes themselves and in what situations they were sent, I find this all going in favor of the Nerwen-voters. Starting, continuing, finishing, finishing and finishing the bandwagon was all too dangerous for wolves to do and it went too unpredictably to be planned, in my opinion. So Kath, morm, Isabell, Boro and Rikae climb higher in trust at me. There is of course the problem that my inborn suspiciousness does not want to accept so easily that there is indeed no Wolf among the Nerwen voters yet, as I said, this speaks for their favor and I will need to look at every single one of them more closely to decide more.

Concerning Nerwen herself, I will probably need to look at her closely yet later toDay. For now, only concerning her voting: her last minute jump on Mac when Aganzir was about to be lynched. This would point for the innocence of Mac and eventually against the innocence of Aganzir, or at least for more value of Aganzir in Nerwen's eyes than the value of Mac. The point is that she obviously saved Aganzir this way, yet ultimately met her own fate by this move as it roused a reaction. And quite logical one: I found Nerwen's action rather odd at the time. She was safe whether Agan or Mac was lynched, thus, her retraction can possibly point only to the logical conclusion that she wanted Mac lynched and/or wanted Agan saved. Why would she do that if Aganzir was innocent? The more if even Mac was a wolf?

EDIT: x-ed with these interesting folks above.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-30-2007, 05:14 PM

*points up* Whoa! Now what the heck is that? I'm getting a serious crisis of thought. The more after what I just concluded.

Farael, so you say you dreamt of Mac yesterNight and Rikae toNight and they are wolves? How do you interpretate the yesterDay's votes?

Rikae, you say you are the Ranger? Care to say in that case whom you protected this Night and the Night before? (cf. my first post toDay above)

EDIT: x-ed with Rikae.

Farael · 12-30-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Farael, so you say you dreamt of Mac yesterNight and Rikae toNight and they are wolves? How do you interpretate the yesterDay's votes?

Well Legate two nights ago I dreamt of Macalaure hoping to clear his name.. I mean come on, this whole deal with Nogrod was too good to be a wolf ploy.

I found him a wolf. That changed my mindset completely... they were clearly not beyond killing off one of their own in order to look innocent.

And let's face it, Nerwen was under heavy fire from a bunch of Ordos, she would've been gone sooner or later... so they chose to finish her off themselves so that they'd look better.

And keep in mind that, since the wolves can communicate during the day, they were able to ask Nerwen if she was ok with it so that no feelings were hurt.

They are clever, but I was luckier.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-30-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Farael

And let's face it, Nerwen was under heavy fire from a bunch of Ordos, she would've been gone sooner or later... so they chose to finish her off themselves so that they'd look better.

And keep in mind that, since the wolves can communicate during the day, they were able to ask Nerwen if she was ok with it so that no feelings were hurt.

Okay, just then why did she switch to Mac when Agan should've been lynched? Even if Agan is by some strange coincidence also a wolf, why not let her die and vote another wolf? You know what I mean?

Farael · 12-30-2007, 05:24 PM

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Okay, just then why did she switch to Mac when Agan should've been lynched? Even if Agan is by some strange coincidence also a wolf, why not let her die and vote another wolf? You know what I mean?

I'm sure they'll be able to tell you better than myself when the game ends what they were thinking, but my guess is that they were willing to kill off a few of their own early on to be put "beyond suspicion" and so coast to an easy win in the end. Let's face it, if they had caught me before I could have caught them, the village would have been in serous trouble!!

Macalaure · 12-30-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Farael

I'm sure they'll be able to tell you better than myself when the game ends what they were thinking, but my guess is that they were willing to kill off a few of their own early on to be put "beyond suspicion" and so coast to an easy win in the end. Let's face it, if they had caught me before I could have caught them, the village would have been in serous trouble!!

This just makes no sense. Wolves that kill of one of their own kind is credible. But killing off half of them? That's suicidal. They need to think of their numbers. One wolf less also means one day more to survive through.

(ed. crossed with Farael)

Farael · 12-30-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

This just makes no sense. Wolves that kill of one of their own kind is credible. But killing off half of them? That's suicidal. They need to think of their numbers. One wolf less also means one day more to survive through.

Not really, keep in mind that Nerwen was drawing heavy suspicions from ORDOS... you finished her off, but she was a goner anyway.

Macalaure · 12-30-2007, 05:24 PM

I was wondering what the twist about this game was, and now I at least know one. We are having ourselves a cobbler here. I don't think a wolf would pose as the seer at this point in the game.

Farael, honestly, even if I didn't know you were posing from knowing my own role, I wouldn't believe you - at least not easily. Your scene up there looks all too cobblerish. It's cobblers who like to make such a spectacle out of themselves.

Farael · 12-30-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

I was wondering what the twist about this game was, and now I at least know one. We are having ourselves a cobbler here. I don't think a wolf would pose as the seer at this point in the game.

Farael, honestly, even if I didn't know you were posing from knowing my own role, I wouldn't believe you - at least not easily. Your scene up there looks all too cobblerish. It's cobblers who like to make such a spectacle out of themselves.

Macalaure I am beyond "fear" of being killed or even lynched right now. True, you may manage to turn the village against me today, but a day later you'll be done for. What I just hope is that you don't manage to find the cursed villager before then.

Farael · 12-30-2007, 05:31 PM

Just in case my last comment wasn't clear, the fact that I know my role and I know two wolves means that I can just enjoy having fun and speaking up without fear of getting lynched/killed at night. Yes, I mean to help the village as much as I can for the possibility that the cursed has been turned, but I'm not going to "quiet" anything down... I'll speak my mind!

Macalaure · 12-30-2007, 05:36 PM

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Macalaure I am beyond "fear" of being killed or even lynched right now. True, you may manage to turn the village against me today, but a day later you'll be done for. What I just hope is that you don't manage to find the cursed villager before then.

Well, I am not beyond fear. Although I am just an ordo, being lynched would put the wolves into a better situation.

I find it strange that you are beyond it. With the help of the ranger, you could at least survive one more night, which means one more dream and one more chance to catch the cursed who might have turned into a wolf tonight, or in the coming night. With the considerable possibility of one more wolf, the real seer would care to remain alive.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-30-2007, 05:19 PM

Oh my, I'll probably need to sleep on this. You can't start pulling these things at me in time like this. The more that I now trusted both of you. :roll seventy eyes at once:

12-30-2007, 05:09 PM	#1
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Okay. YesterDay's votes went this way: Kath : Nerwen (Nerwen 1) Nerwen : Mormegil (Nerwen 1, Morm 1) Mormegil : Nerwen (Nerwen 2, Morm 1) Nerwen : - Morm (Nerwen 2) Boromir : Might (Nerwen 2, Might 1) Might : Eomer (Nerwen 2, Might 1, Eomer 1) Saucepan : Mac (Nerwen 2, Might 1, Eomer 1, Mac 1) Farael: Mac (Nerwen 2, Mac 2, Might 1, Eomer 1) Aganzir : Mac (Mac 3, Nerwen 2, Might 1, Eomer 1) Isabellyka: Nerwen (Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 1, Eomer 1) Rikae: Aganzir (Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 1, Eomer 1, Aganzir 1) Macalaure Aganzir (Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Aganzir 2, Might 1, Eomer 1) Legate: Aganzir (Aganzir 3, Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 1, Eomer 1) Eomer: Might (Aganzir 3, Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 2, Eomer 1) Boromir: - Might (Aganzir 3, Mac 3, Nerwen 3, Might 1, Eomer 1) (Aganzir&Mac, these silly switch-votes, I don't count them as they changed nothing) Nerwen: Mac (Mac 4, Nerwen 3, Aganzir 3, Might 1, Eomer 1) Boromir: Nerwen (Mac 4, Nerwen 4, Aganzir 3, Might 1, Eomer 1) Rikae: - Aganzir, Nerwen (Nerwen 5, Mac 4, Aganzir 3, Might 1, Eomer 1) So, all in all: after looking through the list and through the votes themselves and in what situations they were sent, I find this all going in favor of the Nerwen-voters. Starting, continuing, finishing, finishing and finishing the bandwagon was all too dangerous for wolves to do and it went too unpredictably to be planned, in my opinion. So Kath, morm, Isabell, Boro and Rikae climb higher in trust at me. There is of course the problem that my inborn suspiciousness does not want to accept so easily that there is indeed no Wolf among the Nerwen voters yet, as I said, this speaks for their favor and I will need to look at every single one of them more closely to decide more. Concerning Nerwen herself, I will probably need to look at her closely yet later toDay. For now, only concerning her voting: her last minute jump on Mac when Aganzir was about to be lynched. This would point for the innocence of Mac and eventually against the innocence of Aganzir, or at least for more value of Aganzir in Nerwen's eyes than the value of Mac. The point is that she obviously saved Aganzir this way, yet ultimately met her own fate by this move as it roused a reaction. And quite logical one: I found Nerwen's action rather odd at the time. She was safe whether Agan or Mac was lynched, thus, her retraction can possibly point only to the logical conclusion that she wanted Mac lynched and/or wanted Agan saved. Why would she do that if Aganzir was innocent? The more if even Mac was a wolf? EDIT: x-ed with these interesting folks above. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-30-2007, 05:14 PM	#2
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	points up Whoa! Now what the heck is that? I'm getting a serious crisis of thought. The more after what I just concluded. Farael, so you say you dreamt of Mac yesterNight and Rikae toNight and they are wolves? How do you interpretate the yesterDay's votes? Rikae, you say you are the Ranger? Care to say in that case whom you protected this Night and the Night before? (cf. my first post toDay above) EDIT: x-ed with Rikae. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-30-2007, 05:31 PM	#10
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	Just in case my last comment wasn't clear, the fact that I know my role and I know two wolves means that I can just enjoy having fun and speaking up without fear of getting lynched/killed at night. Yes, I mean to help the village as much as I can for the possibility that the cursed has been turned, but I'm not going to "quiet" anything down... I'll speak my mind! __________________ I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

12-30-2007, 05:19 PM	#12
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Oh my, I'll probably need to sleep on this. You can't start pulling these things at me in time like this. The more that I now trusted both of you. :roll seventy eyes at once: __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-30-2007, 05:24 PM	#8
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I was wondering what the twist about this game was, and now I at least know one. We are having ourselves a cobbler here. I don't think a wolf would pose as the seer at this point in the game. Farael, honestly, even if I didn't know you were posing from knowing my own role, I wouldn't believe you - at least not easily. Your scene up there looks all too cobblerish. It's cobblers who like to make such a spectacle out of themselves.