WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Nerwen]

I hadn't realized how close the voting was at the time of my last post. Indeed, there was nothing to stop Nogrod saving himself by switching his vote to either Shasta or me. (Yes, that's either of us, thankyou, Might.)

So– was his Rikae vote a suicide, or was it arranged for someone to cast another vote for one of the other candidates, and something went wrong? I don't know. Perhaps he simply lost track and didn't realize he could still save himself.

This makes it all the stranger that the wolves killed Shasta. You'd think they'd have every interest in keeping him alive.



OT: I'm sorry to hear you're not well, Saucepan Man.

[Boromir88]

Well, to be honest, I was trying to save Nogrod...as I indicated in my last post voting for Shasta. I never like last second bandwagons, they worry me and usually turn out bad. This one happened to be a pleasant surprise, but in the spur of the moment I figured Nogrod was innocent and didn't like the votes piling up against him.

Now, onto whether Mac and Nogrod conspired a lynching. I highly doubt it. For the moment, I think Mac's sharp instincts were on and he genuinely bagged a wolf in the beginning, it wouldn't be the first time. I would hate to lynch him today when I think there are far more devilish looking people (for example, morm who I was going to vote for yesterday, but doing so would have turned out to be a waste...and today he hasn't done any good for himself by jumping out early and trying to push the Mac-Nogrod thing...or I find those who hardly had any interaction with Nogrod - Isabell, The Might, Valier - far more wolfish looking than those who aggressively went after him yesterday).

Wolves enter into a village with a tremendous advantage, they know who's side everyone is on...we don't. Why would they wish to lessen their numbers right off the start, especially since Day 1 is a "lottery"? I've seen some clever wolves, like Fea and Kuru, throw out jests and jokes in the beginning with eachother, but a wolf sacrificing himself on day 1 from the start? That's something I've never seen. Now, maybe towards the end with the wolves ability to PM Nogrod told his pals he wanted to be lynched...but Mac was onto Nogrod from the very beginning. And I'm thinking Mac, being the instinctive innocent he is, noticed something wasn't right with Nogrod and justly went after him. There are far more wolvish looking things than some crackpot theory that Mac and Nogrod planned this from the beginning.

Let's not forget that yesterday, I believe the possibility that Mac was a wolf was started by Aganzir and there was considerable discussion about it. Is Aganzir a wolf? I don't know, as far as her I'm unsure. I'm simply pointing out that was discussed yesterday and it's possible the wolves would want to come out and try to push that view...which is why I think morm is another wolf.

Also, I'm suspicious of those who had very little interaction with Nogrod yesterday. Granted these individuals didn't post as much as others, but they could be quiet wolves trying to distance themselves. I'm more afraid of them than I am of the slight possibility that Mac and Nogrod planned all that yesterday. Those like Eomer, Isabell, Valier, and The Might...but the one I keep going back to is morm. I find it interesting that Nogrod had morm pegged on his "innocent list" yet I believe that is the only time Nogrod mentioned him, and I don't believe morm had much interaction with Nogrod either. Nogrod both had interactions with Rikae and Legate, but not morm.

edit: crossed with morm

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Now, onto whether Mac and Nogrod conspired a lynching.

Why would they wish to lessen their numbers right off the start, especially since Day 1 is a "lottery"? I've seen some clever wolves, like Fea and Kuru, throw out jests and jokes in the beginning with eachother, but a wolf sacrificing himself on day 1 from the start? That's something I've never seen.

This is something I have seen and that is why I wanted to make sure we consider the possibility.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Also, I'm suspicious of those who had very little interaction with Nogrod yesterday. Granted these individuals didn't post as much as others, but they could be quiet wolves trying to distance themselves. I'm more afraid of them than I am of the slight possibility that Mac and Nogrod planned all that yesterday.

I agree with this Boro, but the problem with it is one day 1 people tend to get ignored because there are 18 total of us. There also needs to be some consideration given to the length of time some of us had. It is difficult enough to talk about every other villager on day 1 but during the middle of a holiday it's a tall request. So what I am asking is that you consider this as suspicion or evidence but do not solely base your theories on this...especially on day 1.

Originally Posted by Boro

Well, to be honest, I was trying to save Nogrod...as I indicated in my last post voting for Shasta

I find this as genuine, honestly.

[Boromir88]

Before I get to bed another thing about Nogrod that came to me...

There was another village when I was the seer and Nogrod was a wolf...we had lynched two wolves and Nogrod, being the sly wolf he was cast, crucial votes to get both of them lynched. So wolves voting for eachother isn't something new, but I did notice a behavior of Nogrod's that might prove useful. I never dreamt of Nogrod in that village, I assumed he was innocent because of his voting record, since I never went after Nogrod and he buddied up to me. But those who suspected him, and were after him, he aggressively lashed back and accused them.

As a wolf a couple times, those people who are onto you can be a real thorn in your side. It takes a bold wolf to kill a thorn in your side at night, because then you look bad the next day. The best way then, if you're a wolf and you have someone suspecting you, to get them lynched. You buddy up to those who trust you and try to lynch those who are a pain in the butt. That's what Nogrod did when I remember him last as a wolf...just something else to consider in the whole Mac-Nogrod, who are the other wolves, scheme of things.

[Nerwen]

Morm, before you decide to suspect me, please go back and look at the reasons people gave for voting me yesterDay. Apart from Shasta's open self-defence vote, they're all really strange. I think I'm being objective when I say that I did not do anything to warrant getting so many votes.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

[Isabellkya]

Boro: ++Kath (Kath 1)
Mac: ++Nogrod (Kath 1, Nogrod 1)
SpM: ++Nogrod (Kath 1, Nogrod 2)
Kath: ++Nerwen (Kath 1, Nogrod 2, Nerwen 1)
Farael: ++Shasta (Kath 1, Nogrod 2, Nerwen 1, Shasta 1)
Boro: --Kath (Nogrod 2, Nerwen 1, Shasta 1)
Valier: ++Nerwen (Nogrod 2, Nerwen 2, Shasta 1)
Rikae: ++Shasta (Nogrod 2, Nerwen 2, Shasta 2)
Shasta: ++Nerwen (Nogrod 2, Nerwen 3, Shasta 2)
Morm: ++Boro (Nogrod 2, Nerwen 3, Shasta 2, Boro 1)
Nerwen: ++Shasta (Nogrod 2, Nerwen 3, Shasta 3, Boro 1)
Isabellkya: ++Nerwen (Nogrod 2, Nerwen 4, Shasta 3, Boro 1)
Aganzir: ++Nogrod (Nogrod 3, Nerwen 4, Shasta 3, Boro 1)
Nogrod: ++Rikae (Nogrod 3, Nerwen 4, Shasta 3, Boro 1, Rikae 1)
Legate: ++Boro (Nogrod 3, Nerwen 4, Shasta 3, Boro 2, Rikae 1)
Shasta: --Nerwen, ++Nogrod (Nogrod 4, Nerwen 3, Shasta 3, Boro 2, Rikae 1)
Legate: --Boro, ++Nogrod (Nogrod 5, Nerwen 3, Shasta 3, Boro 1, Rikae 1)
Eomer: ++Nerwen (Nogrod 5, Nerwen 4, Shasta 3, Boro 1, Rikae 1)
Boro: ++Shasta (Nogrod 5, Nerwen 4, Shasta 4, Boro 1, Rikae 1)

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Wolves enter into a village with a tremendous advantage, they know who's side everyone is on...we don't. Why would they wish to lessen their numbers right off the start, especially since Day 1 is a "lottery"? I've seen some clever wolves, like Fea and Kuru, throw out jests and jokes in the beginning with eachother, but a wolf sacrificing himself on day 1 from the start? That's something I've never seen. Now, maybe towards the end with the wolves ability to PM Nogrod told his pals he wanted to be lynched...but Mac was onto Nogrod from the very beginning. And I'm thinking Mac, being the instinctive innocent he is, noticed something wasn't right with Nogrod and justly went after him. There are far more wolvish looking things than some crackpot theory that Mac and Nogrod planned this from the beginning.

It is hardly unheard of for wolves to have crackpot strategies. Strictly speaking in terms of the votes; at the present time I am having a hard time thinking Mac is a wolf, purely for the reason that he was the first to vote for [b]Nogrod[/]. It would be a very risky strategy, to place the first vote on a fellow wolf; at the risk of a bandwagon following.. especially in this case since Nogrod had been under the suspicion light. I think that there is atleast one wolf amongst the Nogrod voters. It is quite common to place a vote for your fellow wolf when they are at the risk of being lynched.

SPM was the second to place a vote against Nogrod, and it was quite early. I am doubting he is a wolf.. yet it is quote possible he could be.

Aganzir's vote against Nogrod is a bit confusing if she is wolfy. When she placed her vote, Nerwen had the most votes, followed by Shasta. If she is wolfish, then I wonder if something had been said to make her place her vote against her wolfmate; rather than go with one of the others who were more in danger of being lynched. Yet the entire timing of the vote, worries me.

Legate's vote against [b]Nogrod[/] I think jumps at me the most. Nogrod had already been in the lead, yet if wolfy why put that extra vote? To cover a behind when lynched?

Nerwen still bothers me, some of her posts have just been odd.

hmmm, more re-reading to do.

Forgot some tags.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Legate's vote against [b]Nogrod[/] I think jumps at me the most. Nogrod had already been in the lead, yet if wolfy why put that extra vote? To cover a behind when lynched?

If I am not mistaken, Legate's vote was the one which put Nogrod in the lead.

Why does it jump out at you?

[Isabellkya]

Shasta's retract voting of you, and voting of Nogrod put him in the lead.

It is odd, because he seemed to do it; to save you. Yet, you didn't need saving.

[Nerwen]

Ah, you're right– but look at the times on those posts near the deadline. Votes were coming thick and fast and crossing each other, so he probably thought it was up to him.

Anyway, Nogrod had just started acting in an extremely wolfish manner. If I'd been there I think I'd have changed my vote to him too, to make sure. It all seems quite reasonable to me.

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Ah, you're right– but look at the times on those posts near the deadline. Votes were coming thick and fast and crossing each other, so he probably thought it was up to him.

Anyway, Nogrod had just started acting in an extremely wolfish manner. If I'd been there I think I'd have changed my vote to him too, to make sure. It all seems quite reasonable to me.

Originally Posted by Letage

If you look back then you'll see I cross-posted. So in fact, technically I was the one who put Nogrod in the lead. It was not extra vote, it was THE vote (looking from my point of view).

Ahh, I hadn't noticed the posting times.

I can't seem to get Nerwen out of my head. Just when she is looking more innocent than wolfy, she goes and says something which tips the scales on the wolfy side. So I will try to flush the thoughts out, so I can examine others.

There seems to be an innocentish style of writing or flow to her posts; yet some of the words in them.. are odd; they just don't quite fit.

Post #221; the timing of her 'Kath is wolfy because I was attacked' is unwarranted.. it almost has the feel like she is grasping at straws.. trying to make a case for someone.

Post #235. She votes for Valier; but up until the vote she didn't seem to be on the track of voting for her. She had expressed her exasperation at Valier's non/mis reading of her Kath post. Yet when she actually votes for Valier; she seems to have done it with a reason from SPM's previous post.

Originally Posted by SPM

As we all know, she is a ‘hunch’ player, but my recollection is that she is normally quite confident in her hunches. Here, however, she seems far less sure about them. It doesn’t quite ring true to me, so I’ll be keeping my eye on her.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

While there are a number of people I suspect, I think Valier is the most prominent. I know people say she has "hunches", but this time, at least, I think she's using her reputation.

Regarding Valier having hunches I have no idea; I don't know how much this has been discussed in previous games or where ever it could be discussed. It just seems fishy. In this game, I think I've only seen one person mention hunches in regards to Valier; yet it is a singular person.. not 'people'. I may be reading more into this than I should.. but I'm looking at everything in regards to this game, not previous games which I didn't play in.

Over all; there is a lot of agreeing with others and expanding on ideas/suspicions which others have had. As well as being a bit over defensive. If you have a thought, then say it when you have the thought. Otherwise it is looking to me as if you're trying to take the lead off of multiple people.. in the hopes of it not looking suspicious when you take the lead/hints from specific wolfy mates.


Okay, it is noon here now and two hours before the deadline. Off to eat lunch, then I shall return and continue looking over others. Right now I'm deciding between Aganzir, Legate, and Nerwen for a vote.


X'd with Mac, Aganzir & Farael.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, so it seems things are stirring.
First, I looked at Mac-Nog discussion yesterDay. I find it quite hard to believe that it would be a wolf-on-wolf debate: both Mac and Nog are very clever and experienced players of course, but planning such a thing would be rather risky. I find it hard to believe that it would be a plan (either a plan that got out of hand, being very risky in itself, or very hardly a plan prepared the whole time). So whichever direction the wind blows, I am inclined to look at Mac as on an innocent now.

I believe yesterDay, the wolves simply failed to save Nogrod from the gallows. Concerning his vote for Rikae, I believe it was simply a waste of a vote - unless it was a wolf-on-wolf safe vote, which is also an option (a safe one at that time; though I would expect Nog to act in a more clever way. Though maybe actually this is a clever way). Anyway, the matter now is that it was not Nog's last vote. Yet there is this why, why not to retract? Nog could have voted Nerwen or Shasta and saved his neck. So, why? The logical reason about Nerwen would be indeed that she is a fellow wolf and it wouldn't help. Yet why not Shasta, about whom we know was innocent? There is the possibility that (since Eomer's vote came first) he did not notice vote for Shasta by the time he posted, and he thought it was too late. In that case it would be logical that Nerwen could be a fellow wolf whom Nog did not want to vote for. The yesterDay's votes for Nerwen were strange, as I said, and I did not find anything suspicious about her back then. Yet there is something strange, something illogical, something unusual and creepy going around here. I get the feeling the wolves want to get us all puzzled.

Okay, whatever. I don't know if I will be here for DL toDay, and in case I won't, I will have to vote very soon, in about an hour at maximum. So please, if anyone is around here and has anything useful to say, please do so. At least thank tp for retractable votes, if I return, I can always change my vote yet depending on the events that happen meanwhile. Here are some thoughts on people overall:

Farael - quite reasonable, helpful, seeming genuine. I can agree with most of his comments and this far, I can't see anything suspicous about him.

Mac - as I said, given starting the bandwaggon and his exchanges with Nog and even the overall behavior I don't think he is a wolf.

Rikae - like I said yesterDay, seems more or less normal to me. Nothing necessarily suspicious this far.

Boro - his vote yesterDay made me feel better about him. Yet there are still things that do not sit well with me. But, I am now lowering my suspicions on him, and wait how things go in the future.

SpM - not sure what to think of him. He is seeming to be helpful, as always, reasonable, as always, and he is this always whether he is innocent or wolf. Need to form clearer picture of him yet.

Mormegil - once again one of the vocal, helpful and reasonable seeming players. Nothing sinister-looking about him this far.

Aganzir - not sure about this one. I am somewhat critical towards Mac's theory. Yet, Agan-wolf is always clever and able of good tacticising, and had they been together as wolves with Nog, well, that would make two of them capable of maneuvering through Day 1 in keeping the needed attitude towards each other. So, Aganzir remains on the edge of the orange zone for me.

Eomer is an enigma to me, yet an eyebrow-raising enigma. His vote at the end of the Day could be, in my opinion, the wolvish vote to try to save Noggins. Eomer participated so little till now, so I don't want to jump to anything till I see more from him, but the little he did makes me wary.

Nerwen. Ah well. Yesterday I did not find anything suspicious about her. Yet... I can't get out of my head the possible wolvish plot and Nog not retracting to Nerwen because he would kill a fellow wolf by it. Honestly, I don't find anything much suspicious on her, but I know she is very careful and as a wolf she would surely be a dangerous and sneaky one. I don't know what to think.

Isabell in this game very interestingly seems to act in very vocal, reasonable and helpful-looking manner. I haven't seen this side of her, and I am quite happy about it. This far, I don't find anything that would seem suspicious on her, at least not on first sight.

Kath made me wary yesterDay and she did not appear toDay still, so I will wait to form my opinions on her more precisely.

Valier is acting in a very confusing way, I must say, and the way she votes, especially, makes me feel uneasy. Her reasoning, as I said even yesterDay, is not quite... logical. Also the way she voted yesterDay could seem like simply supporting a "challenge bandwaggon" against Nogrod. And toDay, she once again votes as if under some planned scenario - "Aganzir seems that she will gather suspicion today, let's vote her", you know what I mean? I don't like that.

About The Might I am not sure what to think. In all games I played with him before, he used to act... how to say that... less independantly Could it be that he has some outer guidance? Also his yesterday's suspicions (well, they were not exactly suspicions, rather some "thoughts ventilated") on Shasta could also have been a way to join the generally suspected subject. There is something wrong about this TM, and I am somewhat concerned with him this time.

Oh, and

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Legate's vote against [b]Nogrod[/] I think jumps at me the most. Nogrod had already been in the lead, yet if wolfy why put that extra vote? To cover a behind when lynched?

If you look back then you'll see I cross-posted. So in fact, technically I was the one who put Nogrod in the lead. It was not extra vote, it was THE vote (looking from my point of view).

EDIT: x-ed with Isa & Nerwen.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

There is a simple explanation for my vote and the lack of reasoning that went with it. It was Christmas morning; I woke at 10.15; I made breakfast and opened presents until 10.45; I had 15 minutes to skim-read the thread.

It was difficult. I didn't think Nogrod was a wolf (nice bit of judgment from me there!) and Nerwen had at least caused me to ponder (as I had pointed out the day before). I didn't want to waste my vote on someone else who couldn't be lynched. That's why I voted Nerwen instead of Nogrod.

With my somewhat biased view on things () this makes me look quite innocent. If a wolf is leading the votes 5-3 (I believe those were the numbers) with two minutes to go before deadline, why would a fellow wolf appear and mount a comically late attempt to save him? Not voting is suspicious; throwaway votes are suspicious. At the time I would rather have seen Nerwen lynched. I now see how wrong I was.

[Nerwen]

I'd just like to talk about Kath, and her attacks on me yesterday, which I think are quite wolfish:

Early in the Day, Nogrod said

Originally Posted by Nogrod

the cursed one who could be our toughest enemy later in the game... as even the even the word of the seer can't be trusted 100% in the end.

and I replied,

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey, come back! Are you saying the Seer could BE the cursed?

Now, for a moment there I actually had thought that's what he meant. (In fact I'm still not quite sure he didn't.) I asked in a slightly over-the-top way because, well, that was the mood at the time. Everybody was half-joking, trying to get things started.

Then, later in the Day, along comes Kath:

Originally Posted by Kath

Nerwen, well I know she's naturally loud but she seems unnaturally jumpy at the moment. When she screamed at whoever it was to come back because they'd made a comment about the Seer possibly being the cursed, which they actually hadn't. I know that she hasn't played with a cursed before (well I say I know, I'm pretty sure) but the wording in tp's early posts seemed pretty clear. Could have been a sudden 'what the-' reaction but it seems over the top

Now there's two things I'd like to draw attention to in this post. One is her use of hyperbole ("screamed"), the other is how careful she is to avoid mentioning Nogrod's name ("whoever it was"). I think she must have just read those early posts– did she really not know who had (apparently) made the original suggestion?

Then Nogwolf himself gets in on the act:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nerwen: She's calm and makes good and valuable points, especially about the wolves (which could go either way). Her lightness of tone sounds not the most comfortable to my ear. If someone could be accused of trying to lead the discussion into the nonsense -area it would be Nerwen with her suggestion of the seer being possibly the cursed one.

So I tried to explain:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Regarding my controversial Cursed Seer theory: okay, yes, it was silly– but it was early in the Day, nobody was being serious– so I find it a bit odd the way Nogrod and Kath have reacted.

But that still isn't good enough for Kath:

Originally Posted by Kath

Nerwen, you say your suggestion of a cursed Seer wasn't serious, but it certainly felt it. People were throwing out ideas and though they were unlikely scenarios (such as tp telling certain people to post certain things in the pre-game discussion) they were meant seriously, so I don't see that you can put your own unlikely theory in the same category if you meant it in a facetious way.

I really couldn't be bothered taking her up on that. I was starting to feel that she wanted to make me spend the whole Day defending myself, all because of a trivial comment.

Then I said this to Aganzir (in the course of a post that was mainly about other people, and replying to her suggestion that Nogrod and Mac were wolves):

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Aganzir, I've thought of that too. Their reactions do seem over the top. I'm not ready to vote for either of them yet, though, but I'm watching them.

On that note, what about the possibility that Boro and Kath are both wolves?

Kath's response (posted shortly afterwards):

Originally Posted by Kath

Back quickly as I've discovered I won't have a chance to vote before the deadline tomorrow. So:

++NERWEN

She was my top suspect as of my last post for her jumpiness and her confused explanation of her early theories.

Now, I just don't believe her. I don't think I was jumpy, I don't think my explanation was confused and I don't think my interpretation of Nogrod's words was unwarranted.

Oh, and if anyone cares to read through Kath's posts, I think you'll see she's been pretty jumpy herself.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer, Aganzir, Eomer again, Legate and Boromir88.

[Kath]

I've only a few minutes as we're going to lunch (I have eaten so much the past few days I'm not sure I can take anymore!) but I thought I'd answer Nerwen's points against me since I'm here and I just read them.

I said screamed because the way it was written sounded so over the top that I could practically hear you yelling in my head. I didn't put Nogrod's name because I couldn't recall who had said it. It was your reaction more than what you were reacting to that caught my attention. At the time I had to post quickly (as seems to be a recurring theme at the moment ) and so I didn't bother to look since it didn't really matter.

And you know I pretty much did want you to spend your time defending yourself. I was suspicious of you, for fair enough reasons in my own mind even if you do not believe them, and I wanted to know what you had to say for yourself. You do seem jumpy, spiky even, determined that no one should think evil of you even for a second, or at least that's how it seems. And I still think your explanation was backwards.

Nogrod's death came about in such an odd way. He is a very experienced player and knows the kind of thing that is likely to get you lynched, and that comment he made on Rikae's throwaway last line is exactly the kind of thing that will get people's attention. Now, I may be biased by my opinions above but I think it quite possible that Nog would sacrifice himself to save a wolvish Nerwen in order that for the rest of the game she might be considered mostly innocent.

I will come back later and ensure I look at other angles, as I have found to my cost many times that focusing on one individual is just not a good idea.

[Macalaure]

Some thoughts on Boromir.

Originally Posted by Boro

Wow, is this village stacked, or what? If I was a wolf I would be as scared as hell.

I think I missed this line yesterday. It does sound as if it could have come from a bold werewolf, which Boro would be.

There's been a lot of talk about the "us" thing. I think this comment looks innocentish. The "Batman" line made me grin. What is odd is that he gives a lot of valid criticism on Nogrod, but still thinks he's acting like he always does. If he thinks that, then why spend so much time on those criticism?

His vote for Kath doesn't ring an alarm for me. The way he responds to Farael's suspicions is strange. I can't say whether good strange or bad strange. I could see it both ways. In the post where he retracts from Kath he sounds rather reasonable.

He votes for known innocent Shasta instead of known evildoer Nogrod. Still, the way he gets there is understandable. Today (except for hesitating on my case against Aganzir ), he's only made statements I agree with, especially the worrisomeness of mormegil.

Conclusion? I think, at the moment, I'm leaning more towards the innocent side with Boromir, but not any more than leaning.

Originally Posted by Boro

There was another village when I was the seer and Nogrod was a wolf...we had lynched two wolves and Nogrod, being the sly wolf he was cast, crucial votes to get both of them lynched.

I remember that village vividly. It's part of the reason why I find it very probable that Nogrod told his fellows, or one at least, to cast a deciding vote against him, which Aganzir did.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I suspected Nogrod more than Shasta. Nerwen looked more innocent than either of them. I had said I'd switch to Shasta if it started to seem Nerwen would be lynched, and reminded Shasta of this.

I buy this, but I'm not sure whether it makes you less suspicious. You still gave Nogrod a deciding vote while maintaining a possibility to get out of it. I still don't understand what exactly made you suspicious of him. Your plan could have been to either look unsuspicious because of a crucial vote for a dead wolf, or to save your fellow without looking too suspicious because you at least put him into danger.
Like Nogrod, you only defended yourself against the accusations you were able to defend yourself against. But I just note it, I'm not telling you to do so now, because I'd be far more interested in regular posts by you.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

I said screamed because the way it was written sounded so over the top that I could practically hear you yelling in my head. I didn't put Nogrod's name because I couldn't recall who had said it. It was your reaction more than what you were reacting to that caught my attention. At the time I had to post quickly (as seems to be a recurring theme at the moment ) and so I didn't bother to look since it didn't really matter.

Okay, maybe you're not so wolfish as I thought, Kath. But what you did do, then, is take that post right out of context. Apparently you could never even be bothered re-reading it, but you were prepared to lynch me on the basis of it.

Originally Posted by Kath

And you know I pretty much did want you to spend your time defending yourself. I was suspicious of you, for fair enough reasons in my own mind even if you do not believe them, and I wanted to know what you had to say for yourself. You do seem jumpy, spiky even, determined that no one should think evil of you even for a second, or at least that's how it seems.

Well... I just can't see it. You, on the other hand, seemed jumpy to me– and still do. And would you have listened to anything I had to say in my own defence? Or would you have attacked me for being "defensive"?

Now that you've explained yourself I'm less inclined to think you guilty, but I can't say I'm happy about the whole thing. We'll see.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Ok. Another thing. Nogrod's post #164 and Rikae. Why did Noggie start suspecting her then? It could be a last-minute case against a fellow wolf. It could be a last-minute case against an innocent that is supposed to look like a case against a fellow-wolf. A bluff, double-bluff, triple-bluff?
I thought this would be good to bring forward. I don't suspect Rikae at the moment, but it always means something if a wolf makes a case against someone when it's clearly too late to lynch him/her anymore.
For example, maybe the wolf wants us to think it was a case against a fellow so that we lynch a player who is dangerous for the pack...

I have thought myself that the attack on Rikae probably means something, but I don't think there's any point worrying about it yet.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

(quoting Shasta) "Nogrod's first post was, strangely, shorter than mine. What does this say about him?

-Nogrod is hiding "off the radar". He's obviously a wolf.
-Nogrod is too busy to pay much attention to this game. A perfect cover for a wolf.
-Nogrod is letting us come to our own conclusions, without exerting too much influence. Waiting for the right moment to make an opportune push... much like a wolf might do.

I think we have our answer here, don't you?

The herbs have made me loopy, the herbs have made me loopy.... "

I think that's pretty convincing. And it's only logical that they thought he was a gifted– I can't think of any other reason why he was killed.

Now, about Eomer himself: my current feeling is that his vote to save Nogrod was quite innocent. I think a wolf would have tried to cover himself more (firstly, by not saying he was trying to save a fellow wolf).

Then there's Valier: I think it would be nice if she gave actual reasons for her vote, as opposed to muttering vaguely about "circumstances".

I assume, though, that she's falling in with Mac's theories on Aganzir– which sound very, very forced to me. I mean, it's more than likely that there was at least one wolf among the Nogrod voters, but I don't think it was her.

EDIT: X'd with Kath and Mac.