WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[The Might]

As I promised I am back so 4 Green, 2 Volo and 2 morm
I would have voted for Sally, but as no other votes for her exist, makes little sense. Or will anyone vote too?

[A Little Green]

Fine. Not much time now, and I very much doubt this is going to be of any significance, but

++ Volo

[Thinlómien]

No chance of double-lycnhing Sally and Lily anymore, is there? A pity, I would maybe have been willing to risk that...

EDIT: xed with Mig, Leg and Brin

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

No chance of double-lycnhing Sally and Lily anymore, is there? A pity, I would maybe have been willing to risk that...

This quote right here has me wondering what to do about Loomy... if both Loomy and Sally are wolves, then killing one would put the other on the clear, at least for a bit... and at this point Loomy should have known that a double-lynch was not a possibility.

However, it just does not add up... Loomy is being extremely clueless, which is rather odd for her, at least the Loomy I knew a while back.

Here's a theory that seems a little cobbled together (thanks Mod there are no cobblers in this game or that sentence right there would've gotten me lynched) but may be some truth to it.

The wolves decided that the best way for one of them to survive until the end was to be at each other's throats. That way, if one got lynched, at least one other wolf would be in the clear for a good while.

However, it couldn't be obvious that a group of FOUR people were always arguign 'cos that'd raise suspicion too, so they decided that they'd have to tone it down a bit.

So Morm and Loomy have a bit of a spat... Loomy suspects Greenie but at the last moment tries at least to save her if she can... no wolf would be THAT clueless.... it also explains why Loomy proposes Sally as a double-lynch candidate when it was hardly possible.

I don't think I have enough evidence right now to prove it, but perhaps someone with more analysing skills than me could check their posts and see if s/he can find harder evidence.

For the time being, I still think Sally is just awfully suspicious and that we should lynch her. Her comments with regards to Morm and her innocense, proposed in such a convoluted way sound more like a wolf grasping at straws than a misguided ordo.

Edit: X-ed with everyone after my first post

[satansaloser2005]

*runs about wreaking further havoc among the village, just to see what kind of reactions she can garner*


Oh, how tempted I am to come up with another off-the-wall vote. But I think if I did it again today there might be a holy furry uprising and I would die at the hands of the mob. Thus I'll keep my mouth shut today (voting wise at least hehe) until I can get a grasp of what you others think. In other words, the fun has only begun, but I'm taking a several hour sabattical from my intrigues.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*runs about wreaking further havoc among the village, just to see what kind of reactions she can garner*


Oh, how tempted I am to come up with another off-the-wall vote. But I think if I did it again today there might be a holy furry uprising and I would die at the hands of the mob. Thus I'll keep my mouth shut today (voting wise at least hehe) until I can get a grasp of what you others think. In other words, the fun has only begun, but I'm taking a several hour sabattical from my intrigues.

Ok, THAT'S IT. I'm voting for you unless the Seer him/her self has a better plan. While I enjoy being odd and off the walls quite a lot, I at least try to put SOME meassure of content into my posts on Day 3!! And most importantly, since we nailed ourselves a wolf, there IS some hard evidence to be found.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Farael

Ok, THAT'S IT. I'm voting for you unless the Seer him/her self has a better plan. While I enjoy being odd and off the walls quite a lot, I at least try to put SOME meassure of content into my posts on Day 3!! And most importantly, since we nailed ourselves a wolf, there IS some hard evidence to be found.

Frankly I'm too lazy to defend myself. Last game I got suspected (if only briefly) for saying the first day that I knew only of my own innocence, and this game I don't want to bother to convince you. And I don't plan on stirring up havoc really, just testing everyone's reactions to my posts. Some are quite intriguing, to say the least.

[mormegil]

I just read all of A Little Green's posts again and I must say that it is interesting how much she talked about Lommy and Volo but didn't ever really bring anything up of any substance against them. It's the classic wolf accusing wolf but not really knowing why but making sure to mention them so that when one is lynched it doesn't look so obvious. The usual pattern, as a wolf, is to 'suspect' one of your fellows but not to a point to actually get them lynched and keep one in the innocent category along with others.

My guess is that one of the two is guilty. She spoke more about Lommy and less about Volo but when her fate was sealed she voted Volo, which is telling in my opinion. Again, I feel less inclined to Lommy's guilt and more to Volo's.

[Aganzir]

Day 1

Legate found (more or less) suspicious:
mormegil
The Might
Nerwen
Kuru

Legate found (more or less) innocent:
Menel
Brinniel
Lommy

Was considered suspicious by:
Volo
Rikae

Was considered innocent by:
Aganzir
Lommy
Mac

Day 2

Legate found (more or less) suspicious:
sally
Greenie
Aganzir
Kath
Kuru
Menel
morm
The Might

Legate found (more or less) innocent:
Farael
Lommy
Volo
Fea (the only one on his Yellow zone I include, as she's the only one he clearly considered innocentish)

Was considered suspicious by:
morm (based on the thought Legate didn't vote)
Mac
The Might

Was considered innocent by:
Lommy
Volo
Brinniel
Aganzir

**

If Legate was killed because of being considered the seer, it would point at Lommy's innocence. But on the other hand, a Lommy-wolf could well pick someone who thought she was innocent and say the next day "I guess the wolves thought he was the seer who had dreamt of me." I'm not willing to lynch Lommy only because of such a two-sided thing, but it doesn't make me feel much better about her.

Even after spending quite a lot of time with this, I have no idea who the ones responsible for Legate's death are. I have my suspicions about werewolves, but not about Legate's killers and their motives. I'm too tired (at the moment) and too bad at guessing why somebody died (always).

However, after all the things posted while my absence, I feel slightly better about Menel, and that's enough not to vote him toDay. Brinniel's worrying me more.

I wouldn't like risking a double lynch. After either sally or morm is dead (and that seems to happen toDay anyway), it's easier to analyse their intentions.

Sally doesn't look as wolfish as she did previously. That doesn't make me suspect her less though. She's clearly realised she'll be lynched if she goes on behaving like she did, and that's a good reason to change tactics.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have to vote really early again. Sorry; last week of classes and I'm swamped, plus I didn't sleep last night.

++Sally

I feel like the regression back into 'normalcy' was more like a flinch. I still don't know what to think of her earlier "Am I a wolf? Am I not a wolf? Lalala." It's gutsy/stupid for a wolf and irresponsible/stupid for an innocent. Either way, not the sort of likely action I'm comfortable keeping around. I wish I had time to stick around and analyze/watch/etcetera. But I'm not really sure of my suspicions right now. I'm comfortable lynching Sal and hoping she's lupine. Even if she's not, I'd say the village is probably better off without the chaos (I know, this coming from me!).

[Aganzir]

I managed to destroy my post and don't have any idea how. Argh.

**

I think Brinniel and The Might are wolves.

Last Day Might found he had a chance to lynch two innocents and he did it.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I think TM looks quite innocent. I mean, he's long past the point of wolvishness: he's too suspicious. No wolf in his right mind would play like that.I think TM looks quite innocent. I mean, he's long past the point of wolvishness: he's too suspicious. No wolf in his right mind would play like that.

And that might be the reason why he dares to act like that. If everybody thought he's too suspicious to be a wolf it'd be almost too easy for him to escape real suspicion. He could always say he's just a newbie and would not be so daring as a wolf.

Might has been acting quite suspiciously especially towards the Days' end. The following morning he's explained, apologised or whatever. I don't like that too much either. It looks almost too much like fellows have told him what to do.

Both Brinn and Might voted for Greenie. In the previous game Brinn couldn't decide whether to vote for fellow-Mac or innocent Might. She has obviously learnt something from that experience.
When Might voted, it didn't matter anymore, as Greenie was leading by several votes.

I get quite a bad feeling from Brinn's posts. Especially on her previous Days' posts look like she posts what she has decided to post, whether or not it has something to do with other posts. Or, the main contents of the posts is something she has beforehand decided to say. Ok, everybody does that, at least to some extent, but in Brinn's case it looks plainly wolfish. I'm not sure if this made sense, but I can't put it better. It just is looks wolfish.
And how Brinn has treated Might gives an impression of her speaking of a fellow wolf:

Originally Posted by Brinn #35

The Might's behaviour, starting with the "let's lynch a quiet person" attitude does make me a bit uneasy. Yet, I'm thinking this is more likely to be newbie behaviour than suspicious.

Originally Posted by Brinn #89

I'm not sure what to think of The Might now. Reading post #69, I became entirely suspicious of the "don't lynch me because I'm unique" argument. But then he went off and did a suicide vote...which makes me think he's now just giving up. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think a wolf would give up so easily like that...

Originally Posted by Brinn #96

Right now, it's a toss-up to me whether Might is a wolf. I don't want to put him out of the picture, but at the same time I don't want to vote for him toDay. If he's still looking odd toMorrow, I will certainly look more closely at him.

Originally Posted by Brinn #195

Now it is at these very first statements that causes the controversy. Yet, I find usually the one who starts controversy and grabs attention is innocent. I would almost rather look at those who continued this discussion past its expiration date for any wolvishness.

She makes a show of almost suspecting him. "There's something slightly disturbing but nothing serious yet..." And if Might is suspected, it'll be easy for her to quickly change opinions and be against him, like she's indeed done toDay.

Originally Posted by Might #363

Guess a double lynching is too risky as we don't know much yet, I hope that the Seer is doing a good job and might provide with some information soon.

This post disturbs me. It looks like Might was rushing the seer to reveal herself- and for what reason? I wonder.

**

By the way, if Shasta doesn't vote toDay he'll be modfired. And I think we cannot afford losing any extra players anymore.

[Kuruharan]

If Menel is a wolf, then Volo is most likely innocent.

I agree with this.

I think the best thing for the village to do right now is figure out which one of our suspect wolves is going to yield the most information when they are killed.

I think, at this point Menel’s death would be the most informative.

What are other people’s thoughts?

[Volo]

Aganzir, well found. I think it points more to Brinn's guilt than Might's. Just because it could be a bluff.

The thing most suspicious with Brinn is how she - to some extent - sided with morm.


I'm still at a meeting though it's turned a bit lazy, lucky that it's at an internet cafe.
I dislike such decisions like what has been made (voting or "voting" early.), but I must admit that I don't have much to add right now...

[Thinlómien]

Argh. I'm quite hopeless and tired and wouldn't really mind being dead so I wouldn't need to try to make anything of all of this confusing stuff and try to force my brain to think who's wolf and who's not. But, on the other hand, I really wouldn't like to die now after being this wrong about everyone. I mean, I would hardly be content with myself after a game in which I had seriously suspected one wolf and three innocents. So, no worries, I think I'm getting over this useless pessimism and trying to hunt some wolves.

Feelings based on a reread:

Aganzir - Seems both suspicious and genuine. I realised I really can't ever read her, which is quite depressing. I'm a bit worried that no one has really paid her much attention during the whole game. I think her posts seem slightly more Pinnocent than guilty, but I have a feeling she's (again) fooling me and laughing evilly. Argh, I really don't know.

Meneltarmacil - He said (in post #149): "However, the last Night's activities do cast doubt on a morm-wolf scenario, so caution is necessary. Mostly, I just wanted to talk here so as not to be too silent. Talking often is always a good idea." Which made me raise my eyebrows. Why on earth would someone think or act like that? His thinking seems a bit too formulaic to be innocent. I mean, he keeps making assuptions like "at least one Nerwen-voter was probably a wolf" and "there are probably 1-2 quiet wolves". I don't like it. Also, his tone seems occasionally unbelievably unsincere, like in post 158. On the other hand, since Sally was an innocent, his post 301 looks quite innocent to me. But I still suspect him.

Volo - I can't see what's so suspicious with him. I think he seems innocent.

Macalaure - One big ARGH. Could be anything. Seems genuine but has had wolvish suspicions. I really have no clue what he is and I'm a bit worried that he's slipping under my radar for it has never happened before. But, if I had to bet, I'd still say he's innocent. Anyway, Mac, please post more!

The Might - is plain confusing.

Feanor of the Peredhil - A real enigma. I think her interactions with Greenie and her defense of morm look slightly suspicious, though. Reading what she said about morm, I think it looks like she decided to defend morm quite forcefully, because she knew he was innocent and she'd look good for defending him. On the other hand, she doesn't feel particularly wolvish and I feel my suspicions of her are all too futile to be considered seriously even by myself.

Brinniel - Seems wolvish, after all. Her first post, like I've said numerous times before, looks like one of a wolf. She agrees with everybody all the time and keeps changing her opinions in a fishy way. All in all, her posts look like doing what is the most clever thing to do in each situation and thus quite ungenuine. Also, her analysis floods are all quite indecisive. She's more vocal than usually, though, and I find it slightly improbable she would be if she was a wolf: I mean, as a wolf, I - at least - find it more difficult to come up with anything to say. But she still seems suspicious to me.

Farael – He seems very genuine and innocentish to me. The only thing I'm worried about is that no one's suspecting him and if he was a wolf, he'd really pass unnoticed...

Shastanis Althreduin – See what I said about him just a while ago. I still think that way.

Kuruharan - I really can't read him. I only feel that it'd be comnvenient of a wolf to adopt such a 100% against double-lynchings attitude.

I'm just afraid I'm trying to make things more complicated than they are and that yesterDay's disaster has caused me to be too wary of my own feelings and points. I like neither of the facts. I'm just not sure if I can trust my own reasoning and I'm afraid simple solutions aren't the correct ones.

A few more things:

I think ALG would have suspected at least one fellow wolf of hers, which leads me to believe that either Menel or Volo is a wolf. And Menel looks more wolvish of the two.

I wondered about

Originally Posted by Fea

Kath – I know I should be terrified of you, but I'm not. Why? What are you doing differently? What am I doing differently? There's something wrong here! Just to be clear: I feel like I should be suspicious because I'm always suspicious of Kath just like (and because of the same game) how I'm suspicious all the time of morm. Just to be very clear: I really have no leanings on Kath. I'd like to see more posts from her, though.

and

Originally Posted by Fea

They thought Kath was a seer. Everybody else acted like I suspected normal villagers to act. She was quieter in a way that I'm not used to from her unless she's trying to avoid negative attention. She's a gutsier wolf, so when I scanned the villagers for who might be leaving us clues (or trying not to at first)... Shoot. This isn't making as much sense as I'd like and I'm running late. Basically, I think she was viewed as a seer not because of what she had to say, but because of how she was saying it. And I think at least one of the wolves must have played with Kath enough to know her styles. Or they just got mad lucky.

Usch. I really don't know what to think of this. First she notes Kath is being unnormal, then she says a wolf probably knew Kath's playing style and realised she was unnormal...

If Brinn and Menel are both wolves, hats off to them because they're doing a convincing job of looking wolvish but not looking like fellows. Brinn and Agan, on the other hand, could very well be fellows, based on the way how they interact. But Brinn and Menel, they're such enigmas. They both seem very wolvish but have innocent streaks of behaviour as well and they hardly can be both wolves. So, there's probably at least two wolves I've not paid enough attention to.

Please, Might, please stop being confusing and start talking more about your own suspicions. Otherwise my head is going to explode.

Lastly, I'd like to point out that the wolves are getting a bigger part of our village Day by Day. Soon they will be bold enough to form alliances and vote together or manipulate the village ruthlessly. We should be careful.

EDIT: xed with everything since my last post

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Farael

For the time being, I still think Sally is just awfully suspicious and that we should lynch her

I can't help but agree. A great deal because of this post:

Originally Posted by Sally

Perhaps we shall see my friend, perhaps we shall see.

No totally kidding. I just meant that no matter WHO got lynched, regardless of whether it was me or someone else, lynching more than one person was a bad plan. Sorry for the confusion. Or am I?

Really, it strikes me as odd that an innocent this far into the game would intentionally create chaos like this.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Crossed with Sally.

[expression of malcontent]

[The Might]

Thanks Volo, the list is quite useful.

About Sally, if I were her I would make a post to try and defend and maybe explain my decisions and actions more clearly. Because all the explanations have, at least in my case, only managed to make me more confused and suspicious.

This last "we shall see" is not what I would expect from an ordo. This lack of arguments makes me think she's a wolf that finds it difficult to get out of this difficult situation.
I mean, were she an ordo, which I for now doubt, I would expect some more defensiveness...

[The Might]

Oh man, all this posting is going tooo fast!

Anyway, just cross-posted with a lot, probably will with this post as well...I mean I somehow manage to confuse everyone unintetionally pretty much every first day...but Sally seems to try.

The question for me is what does she want to achieve as an innocent?
Because if she turns out to be an innocent, I shall be very, very, very disappointed with the playing style as it's pretty much cobblerish and not helping us at all. She simply can't be an ordo...

[Volo]

Like I've said it before, I feel that Sally is a Wolf. Reasons:

Originally Posted by Volo

Sally: Now she sure hunts morm! She constantly flirts with the idea of being a Wolf, which seems like something a Wolf wouldn't do, but it's driving me crazy. I'm capable of imagining a Wolf who does that, even a newbie Wolf - no, especially a newbie Wolf. Sally appologised that she wouldn't be productive, and truly, she hasn't been productive. I'm thinking of she might be a Wolf who thinks of being very far from being lynched - there's not enough try there, as if her appologisive tone is an excuse for just being around.
The more I read her posts, the more I feel that that's our Wolf.

And besides she doesn't seem to be sad at all for not being productive, on the contry she smiles a lot and I have a feeling that she simply doesn't care for the survival of the Village.

What I don't want is a bandwagon starting from the very morning, because the earlier we vote the less of the Day we use to discuss things.

And like I've said before, morm has been targeted by both Lily (Kuru has it here.) and Sally (I mean her constant suspicion and votes) in rather wierd situations.


I found a little more:
Lily's post about The Might doesn't look like something about a Wolf partner. It is more like "trying too hard" to look helpful to me.
The Might rises higher on my Innocent list.

Aganzir suspects Lily quite strongly here. Again, I don't feel a Wolf partner would have done that to a friend so early. I seem to recall that this is the strongest suspicion on Lily on Day1. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Aganzir stayes high and Innocent.


I have very little clue of who might be the fourth Wolf if I'm right about Sally and morm. Probably not Fea. I'd say Menel or Farael, but I'll not get too certain about it.

It's late and I should go to sleep. Xd with everything since #285.

[Kath]

Well I'm back before I thought I would be, and I'm glad I voted earlier. All this cross-voting is quite alarming. At least is doesn't look like we're heading for a double lynch, which we do need to avoid considering Rikae is leaving us toDay.

[Thinlómien]

I completely forgot about Rikae... now three people dead would have been quite a massacre.

Sorry, my darling, you just were way too wolvish

++A Little Green

And now let's hope we're right this time...

edit: xed with Miggy and Sally

[Brinniel]

Why would you want to risk a double lynch, Lommy? We're already losing two players...

EDIT: X-ed with last three people.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Why would you want to risk a double lynch, Lommy? We're already losing two players...

Because both Ligre and Sally seem very wolvish to me...

edit: xed with My Honourable Modly Father

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Why would you want to risk a double lynch, Lommy? We're already losing two players...

EDIT: X-ed with last three people.

Indeed it'd be a bad plan to lose even more people! Even if I was not one of them.

Oh crap it's after three I'll shut up now and comment on that tomorrow.


Okay REALLY leaving this time.

[The Might]

Well, guess that Sally will live for another Night which quite disturbs me as I suspect her much more then Green at the time.

[The Might]

Indeed I should refresh more often.
Well, guess I should vote now before it's too late.

++ Green

I must admit I'm going with the flow here, not necessarily a big suspicion of mine.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by The Might

Well, guess that Sally will live for another Night which quite disturbs me as I suspect her much more then Green at the time.

Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Okay really leaving now. See you "tomorrow"