A 10th Nazgul? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gwathagor · 10-18-2007, 10:53 PM

I agree that anyone who got wraith-ized with a black stabby wraith knife would not have been a Black Rider-level wraith. They would be a different variety of wraith altogether, as their wraith-ness had no connection any of the Rings, really. Had Frodo been successfully wraith-ized avec wraith knife, he would have become a puny, flimsy, useless, drifting, invisible spirit. The point of the wraith-izing morgul knife was to take away power, not to grant more of it. They were trying to make him as thoroughly weak and helpless as possible.

Groin Redbeard · 12-01-2007, 10:51 AM

I don't think Frodo could have become a wraith like the other Nazgul; he would definitely be a lesser wraith, possibly even a spy because of his short stature.

You have to remember that before the Nazgul were wraiths they were great kings of men, skilled in battle and strategizing. It would be hard to find another living person who would meet their skill. The Nazugul were use to working with each other, they could act as a team, and a new addition to that team may have caused friction between them. Maybe this is why they didn't have more Nazgul, but I think anyone would be content with Nine wraiths.

William Cloud Hicklin · 12-01-2007, 01:16 PM

Remember, Sauron could only control the Keepers of the Nine when he had the One- otherwise they would be free agents, outside his dominion. Sauron would have to have forced their Rings from them before the end of the Second Age, after they had been thoroughly 'wraithed.' In the Third Age he couldn't give them out again, because he would have no way of controlling the new Bearer.

One also wonders what would happen to one of the Nine if his Ring were given to someone else- would his link to it be broken? Would he die?

Groin Redbeard · 12-02-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hickli

Remember, Sauron could only control the Keepers of the Nine when he had the One- otherwise they would be free agents, outside his dominion. Sauron would have to have forced their Rings from them before the end of the Second Age, after they had been thoroughly 'wraithed.' In the Third Age he couldn't give them out again, because he would have no way of controlling the new Bearer.

That's right, I totally forgot about the nine rings. Good post William!

10-18-2007, 10:53 PM	#1
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	I agree that anyone who got wraith-ized with a black stabby wraith knife would not have been a Black Rider-level wraith. They would be a different variety of wraith altogether, as their wraith-ness had no connection any of the Rings, really. Had Frodo been successfully wraith-ized avec wraith knife, he would have become a puny, flimsy, useless, drifting, invisible spirit. The point of the wraith-izing morgul knife was to take away power, not to grant more of it. They were trying to make him as thoroughly weak and helpless as possible. __________________ Stories and songs.

12-01-2007, 10:51 AM	#2
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	I don't think Frodo could have become a wraith like the other Nazgul; he would definitely be a lesser wraith, possibly even a spy because of his short stature. You have to remember that before the Nazgul were wraiths they were great kings of men, skilled in battle and strategizing. It would be hard to find another living person who would meet their skill. The Nazugul were use to working with each other, they could act as a team, and a new addition to that team may have caused friction between them. Maybe this is why they didn't have more Nazgul, but I think anyone would be content with Nine wraiths. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

12-01-2007, 01:16 PM	#3
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Remember, Sauron could only control the Keepers of the Nine when he had the One- otherwise they would be free agents, outside his dominion. Sauron would have to have forced their Rings from them before the end of the Second Age, after they had been thoroughly 'wraithed.' In the Third Age he couldn't give them out again, because he would have no way of controlling the new Bearer. One also wonders what would happen to one of the Nine if his Ring were given to someone else- would his link to it be broken? Would he die? __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.