Dwarves and Mordor

[Captain Grishnahk]

I dont beleive there are any tunnels in Mordor's mountains save Shelob's. And Tolkien clearly states that she was there long before Sauron. So,... i dont think that the Dwarves ever dwelled in Mordor's mountains. Even though i believe men dwelled in Mordor (Dwelled is such a cool word)
GONDOR!
MORDOR!
Sounds one heckofalot the same to me! Same with Minis Morgul,... Minis Tirith, lots of Minis'sssss.... (?)
Whatever,... but to get back on track, i dont think Tolkien cared much for dwarves as much as elves and men... (and even hobbits for that matter)

-The Captain

"What about their legs? They dont need those!" -Grishnahk

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I belive there were other tunnels than the one of Shelop.

They were just not made by dwarves, but orcs. This i base on the fact that the orcs had build tunnels to avoid shelop. And that the orcs in the Misty Mountains lived in tunnels just like dwarves.

I belive that Tolkien says somthing about tunnels when the armys of the west stands in front of Morannon. (But far from sure)

[Formendacil]

According to dictionary.com, swarthy means:

Having a dark complexion or color.

In other words, these swarthy men were darker skinned than those the narrator would be most familiar with. If this means they were darker in the manner of southern Italians or Arabs (darker than those of more Teutonic descent) or really and truly swarthy in the manner of Africans, who knows.

Certainly, no apparent connection to Dwarves.

Unless Dwarves were swarthy in skin tone...

[Bergil]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

According to dictionary.com, swarthy means:



In other words, these swarthy men were darker skinned than those the narrator would be most familiar with. If this means they were darker in the manner of southern Italians or Arabs (darker than those of more Teutonic descent) or really and truly swarthy in the manner of Africans, who knows.

Certainly, no apparent connection to Dwarves.

Unless Dwarves were swarthy in skin tone...

Can we say for sure that they were all pale? perhaps some of the other races of dwarves were dark-skinned.

[Noxomanus]

Noxomanus has returned

To join the discussion, the Silm does mention that all living creatures,except Elves, were divided between Sauron and the Last Alliance during their War. There were few Dwarves in any party but nevertheless,the inescapable conclusion is that there were Dwarves fighting against The Alliance. I personally think that it is quite possible for there to have been Dwarves in the Mordor Mountains,perhaps in the southern parts? After all, we never get a description of their inhabitants.

[Elu Ancalime]

I would exclude orcs too, and trolls and stuff.^
And to RUNE, i belive the 'maggot holes' the Captians of the West saw were only small caves in the side of the Mts of Mordor, adjacent to the Morannon fro orcs to hide in and hide their numbers.
I read somewhere(sorry) that the only passes were the Cirith Gorgor, of course, the Morgul Pass/Road and the Cirith Ungol. Some people interchage the Morgul pass Cirith Ungol like they are the same. The MP is on a lower elevation and south of the Cirith Ungol. But anyways, I read of a Nargil Pass, but i could not find any other info on it besides it existed.
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[Maerbenn]

Originally Posted by Elu Ancalime

I read somewhere(sorry) that the only passes were the Cirith Gorgor, of course, the Morgul Pass/Road and the Cirith Ungol.

According to the maps J.R.R. Tolkien himself drew, and reproduced in The Treason of Isengard and The War of the Ring, there were at least four other passes.
Two passes were located in the Ered Lithui; one to the northwest of Barad-dûr and the other to the northeast.
There were also two passes in the Ephel Duath; one at the juncture where the Poros emits from the mountains, and another to the south; the Narg(h)il Pass.

[Alfirin]

[QUOTE=Formendacil;414935]According to dictionary.com, swarthy means:



In other words, these swarthy men were darker skinned than those the narrator would be most familiar with. If this means they were darker in the manner of southern Italians or Arabs (darker than those of more Teutonic descent) or really and truly swarthy in the manner of Africans, who knows.

I think that Swarthy in this case would refer to a skin tone of the first listed, simlar to those of Mediteranian or Middle Eastern descent. Actual skin tome of the kind that one would assocaite with those of Indegenous African descent appeared to be reseved for those from Far Harad who are noted by Tolkein as having skin much darker than the merely swarthy Near Haradrians.
This leads to an intersting question. If the Lossoth are indeed based on the Inuit would they be considered a "swarthy" race in ME?

[Elmo]

Surely Minas Ithil was a proper city before it was captured a twin if you will of Minas Anor to the west with a large amount of folk dwelling there. Though is it technically in Mordor? I don't think so. Anyhow it wouldn't have been a nice place to live as I previously stated in this thread.