We Nine Kings of....where? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nimrodel_9 · 11-30-2004, 05:15 PM

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Were they all kings?

I was going to say that Aragorn said they were "great kings of men." I do not think they were actually kings.

Gil-Galad · 11-30-2004, 08:20 PM

probaly kings from the east, i've read some where that they were great leaders, and warriors, some are magicians while others knights, and sauron drew them to him, then after they put the rings on, they basically just start turning into wraiths and serve Sauron

Morgul Queen · 11-30-2004, 10:41 PM

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and as we know the Morgul -King was the King of Angmar

O.o I thought you were talking about me for a moment there...

*bows to Witchy and his noble steed*

rutslegolas · 12-01-2004, 08:13 AM

Well as you say I think the corrupted Numenoreans were not Kings at all I think they were the knights of a corrupted King or men in powerful positions researching the arts of the enemy ( like good old Saruman ) and fell into evilness.

Gil-Galad · 12-01-2004, 08:18 AM

keep in mind, Morgul king wasn't lord of Angmar till he went there to usurp Arnors power, after the Last Alliance

Numenorean · 12-01-2004, 10:23 AM

Akallabêth p.321

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"...among those whom he ensnared with the Nine Rings three were great lords of Númenórean race."

Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age p.348

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"Those who used the Nine Rings became mighty in their day, kings, sorcerers, warriors of old. They obtained glory and great wealth, yet it turned to their undoing."

Meneltarmacil · 12-03-2004, 04:35 PM

Let's see what we've got here.

One Easterling and three Numenoreans would still leave five wraiths unaccounted for. As for the Witch King, I don't think Tolkien ever mentioned where he was originally from, only that he was sent to Angmar after he became a ringwraith. So he might be one of the Numenoreans or from somewhere else entirely. I think a couple of them are probably from Harad, and it's possible that one of the ancestors of the Rohirrim (who were living in the upper vales of Anduin at the time, as I think I remember) may have been one.

This leads me to an interesting theory: I think that the Witch King may have been from the line of kings that eventually led to Eorl the Young. Before moving to Rohan, that race of people originally lived in the upper vale of Anduin, in the foothills of the Misty and Gray Mountains. The Witch King, after turning ringwraith ,was sent to command Angmar, a region that included part of that area. If Sauron wanted to control that area, I think that he'd probably send someone familiar with the land. However, this is only speculation since we're not given much information about where the Witch King was from. And in fact, Angmar includes more territory to the west that the early Rohirrim wouldn't have gone into.

11-30-2004, 08:20 PM	#2
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	probaly kings from the east, i've read some where that they were great leaders, and warriors, some are magicians while others knights, and sauron drew them to him, then after they put the rings on, they basically just start turning into wraiths and serve Sauron __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-01-2004, 08:13 AM	#4
rutslegolas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Elven Lands of India Posts: 533	Well as you say I think the corrupted Numenoreans were not Kings at all I think they were the knights of a corrupted King or men in powerful positions researching the arts of the enemy ( like good old Saruman ) and fell into evilness. __________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with the bull - The Phantom.

12-01-2004, 08:18 AM	#5
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	keep in mind, Morgul king wasn't lord of Angmar till he went there to usurp Arnors power, after the Last Alliance __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-03-2004, 04:35 PM	#7
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	Let's see what we've got here. One Easterling and three Numenoreans would still leave five wraiths unaccounted for. As for the Witch King, I don't think Tolkien ever mentioned where he was originally from, only that he was sent to Angmar after he became a ringwraith. So he might be one of the Numenoreans or from somewhere else entirely. I think a couple of them are probably from Harad, and it's possible that one of the ancestors of the Rohirrim (who were living in the upper vales of Anduin at the time, as I think I remember) may have been one. This leads me to an interesting theory: I think that the Witch King may have been from the line of kings that eventually led to Eorl the Young. Before moving to Rohan, that race of people originally lived in the upper vale of Anduin, in the foothills of the Misty and Gray Mountains. The Witch King, after turning ringwraith ,was sent to command Angmar, a region that included part of that area. If Sauron wanted to control that area, I think that he'd probably send someone familiar with the land. However, this is only speculation since we're not given much information about where the Witch King was from. And in fact, Angmar includes more territory to the west that the early Rohirrim wouldn't have gone into. __________________ I ♣ baby seals. Last edited by Meneltarmacil; 12-03-2004 at 07:54 PM. Reason: Forgot to add my usual post icon, as well as a missing comma. Funny how you don't realize these things until later.