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We Nine Kings of....where?
Which nine kings of Men took the Nine rings? I can barely think of nine places where men lived that have kings, and it makes no sense for some of those to have become Ring-wraiths. I know one of them is an Easterling, and there's the Witch-King of Angmar. But where are the other seven from?
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I do not whether JRR has mentioned anywhere where the Nine Kings came from ,but according to me One was as you mention the King of Angmar , an Easterling King, One Haradrim I suppose , and the Other corrupted Numenoreans ??
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According to the encyclopaedia of Arda:
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Certainly a very patchy area. The only explicitly named, as said above, are the Witch-king of Angmar, and his second in command Khamūl.
At least three of them were of Black Nśmenórean race. Khamūl was a lord of Easterlings, and was the only Nazgūl known by his name, although there has been some speculation that Gothmog, Lieutenant of Barad-dūr, may have been a Nazgūl. That said, Gothmog generally isn't an especially clear part of the canon, what with Gondolin-Goth as well... |
Were they all kings?
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Well I can't see how the corrupted Numernoreans could all be Kings,but the Haradrim and the Easterling could be and as we know the Morgul -King was the King of Angmar ,so their could be hidden kingdoms in Middle-Earth that we do not know about ???? :D :D
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Faramir has this to say:
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probaly kings from the east, i've read some where that they were great leaders, and warriors, some are magicians while others knights, and sauron drew them to him, then after they put the rings on, they basically just start turning into wraiths and serve Sauron
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Well as you say I think the corrupted Numenoreans were not Kings at all I think they were the knights of a corrupted King or men in powerful positions researching the arts of the enemy ( like good old Saruman ) and fell into evilness.
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keep in mind, Morgul king wasn't lord of Angmar till he went there to usurp Arnors power, after the Last Alliance
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Akallabźth p.321
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Let's see what we've got here.
One Easterling and three Numenoreans would still leave five wraiths unaccounted for. As for the Witch King, I don't think Tolkien ever mentioned where he was originally from, only that he was sent to Angmar after he became a ringwraith. So he might be one of the Numenoreans or from somewhere else entirely. I think a couple of them are probably from Harad, and it's possible that one of the ancestors of the Rohirrim (who were living in the upper vales of Anduin at the time, as I think I remember) may have been one. This leads me to an interesting theory: I think that the Witch King may have been from the line of kings that eventually led to Eorl the Young. Before moving to Rohan, that race of people originally lived in the upper vale of Anduin, in the foothills of the Misty and Gray Mountains. The Witch King, after turning ringwraith ,was sent to command Angmar, a region that included part of that area. If Sauron wanted to control that area, I think that he'd probably send someone familiar with the land. However, this is only speculation since we're not given much information about where the Witch King was from. And in fact, Angmar includes more territory to the west that the early Rohirrim wouldn't have gone into. |
i remember somewhere where all the nazgul names were written down now i totally forgot...
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Names for all nine Nazgūl were invented for a game, so there are lists, but I wouldn't recommend naming them as "correct" or "original" on a Tolkien board like this one - too many people know the source material well here! :)
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funny.... it was in a game i noticied the names, well i thought they were made up, thanks for the input estelyn
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I appear to have made an error in my previous post. I found out that the Rohirrim did not live in the upper vales of Anduin at the time the Nine Rings were given. It seems they were actually living east of Greenwood the Great (later Mirkwood) in Rhovanion and didn't move to the vales of Anduin until later. So the whole theory I put forth about Angmar is definitely wrong. Still, one of the kings/leaders of Rhovanion may have become a ringwraith.
So the possible homelands of the Nazgul are: Numenor and colonies (3 confirmed) Rhun (1 confirmed, Khamul) Harad Rhovanion, or future Rohirrim ...and possibly more, but these are the only ones that I think could have had kings or lords at the time. |
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