We Nine Kings of....where? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lalaith · 11-29-2004, 08:45 AM

According to the encyclopaedia of Arda:

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One of them, the second in rank after the Lord of the Nazgûl himself, was named Khamûl, and also known as the Black Easterling. This is the only one of the nine Nazgûl explicitly named by Tolkien

I always assumed that the WitchKing ruled over Angmar after he became a ringwraith, rather than before. I don't know why.

Rimbaud · 11-29-2004, 09:14 AM

Certainly a very patchy area. The only explicitly named, as said above, are the Witch-king of Angmar, and his second in command Khamûl.

At least three of them were of Black Númenórean race.

Khamûl was a lord of Easterlings, and was the only Nazgûl known by his name, although there has been some speculation that Gothmog, Lieutenant of Barad-dûr, may have been a Nazgûl. That said, Gothmog generally isn't an especially clear part of the canon, what with Gondolin-Goth as well...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 11-30-2004, 07:34 AM

Were they all kings?

rutslegolas · 11-30-2004, 08:08 AM

Well I can't see how the corrupted Numernoreans could all be Kings,but the Haradrim and the Easterling could be and as we know the Morgul -King was the King of Angmar ,so their could be hidden kingdoms in Middle-Earth that we do not know about ????

Elianna · 11-30-2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Were they all kings?

That's part of what I was wondering. The Ring poem just says "Nine for the Mortal Men doomed to die," nothing about them all being kings.

Perhaps some of them were only lords of darkness?

Lalaith · 11-30-2004, 08:33 AM

Faramir has this to say:

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It is said that their lords
were men of N´umenor who had fallen into dark wickedness; to them the Enemy
had given rings of power, and he had devoured them: living ghosts they were
become, terrible and evil

Elsewhere the ringwraiths are described as "mortal men, proud and great", but not actually kings.

Nimrodel_9 · 11-30-2004, 05:15 PM

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Were they all kings?

I was going to say that Aragorn said they were "great kings of men." I do not think they were actually kings.

Gil-Galad · 11-30-2004, 08:20 PM

probaly kings from the east, i've read some where that they were great leaders, and warriors, some are magicians while others knights, and sauron drew them to him, then after they put the rings on, they basically just start turning into wraiths and serve Sauron

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Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Certainly a very patchy area. The only explicitly named, as said above, are the Witch-king of Angmar, and his second in command Khamûl. At least three of them were of Black Númenórean race. Khamûl was a lord of Easterlings, and was the only Nazgûl known by his name, although there has been some speculation that Gothmog, Lieutenant of Barad-dûr, may have been a Nazgûl. That said, Gothmog generally isn't an especially clear part of the canon, what with Gondolin-Goth as well... __________________ And all the rest is literature

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Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Were they all kings? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

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rutslegolas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Elven Lands of India Posts: 533	Well I can't see how the corrupted Numernoreans could all be Kings,but the Haradrim and the Easterling could be and as we know the Morgul -King was the King of Angmar ,so their could be hidden kingdoms in Middle-Earth that we do not know about ???? __________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with the bull - The Phantom.

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Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	probaly kings from the east, i've read some where that they were great leaders, and warriors, some are magicians while others knights, and sauron drew them to him, then after they put the rings on, they basically just start turning into wraiths and serve Sauron __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.