Why their were no women in the fellowship - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tuor of Gondolin · 09-05-2004, 08:23 PM

Of course, if Lobelia had gone instead of Sam she wouldn't
have put up with any guff from Gollum.

And come to think of it, Sauron missed a move, not giving one
of the rings to Queen Beruthiel.

But then, maybe Sauron
wasn't a cat person.

Lobelia · 09-05-2004, 09:31 PM

[QUOTE=Tuor of Gondolin]Of course, if Lobelia had gone instead of Sam she wouldn't
have put up with any guff from Gollum.

Too right I wouldn't! That Frodo is such a nice boy, not like his uncle Bilbo who kept avoiding me ... I would have looked after him and hit the King of the Ringwraiths on the head with my umbrella (sorry, Eowyn).

Oh, well. Men and male Hobbits, not to mention Oxford academics, like their boys' clubs, don't they? Guess I'll just have to stick to fighting off Sharkey's men at home.

The Perky Ent · 09-05-2004, 10:01 PM

Lol! Plus, at the time setting, womans sufferage was nonexsistant, so it would make sense it Tolkien kept the setting of Middle Earth parallel with the time period of the world at that time!

lotrfreak90 · 09-06-2004, 08:01 AM

You guys kinda got off topic

lotrfreak90 · 09-06-2004, 08:03 AM

oh, Encaitare

in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate!

The Only Real Estel · 09-06-2004, 11:59 AM

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in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate!

I don't have my books with me, but I don't think arwen was a part of the council. Besides, I don't think that Arwen would've been a candidate, not unless we're talking about the movie here

. First of all, she wasn't (from what I could tell) a fighter in the books, the 'women-warrior' role was left up to Eowyn. Secondly, Elrond would never have sent his daughter on the quest, & he was the one doing the picking

.

p.s. I don't think Boromir would've had any problems, he was
so into fighting & gaining glory through victory that he probably
rarely gave women a second thought (yeah, he's wierd

).

Encaitare · 09-06-2004, 07:34 PM

Took the words right out of my mouth, Estel. We must indeed keep in mind that book-Arwen was not the fighting type. Plus, Aragorn never would have allowed her to come, anyway, knowing the risks they faced.

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And come to think of it, Sauron missed a move, not giving one of the rings to Queen Beruthiel. But then, maybe Sauron wasn't a cat person.

Aren't cats supposed to have come from Mordor? I can't back that, but I know I saw it on a thread not long ago. But Queen Beruthiel with a ring would have been quite formidable.

ninlaith · 09-06-2004, 08:38 PM

Arwen was part of the council. In fact she was sitting right next to her father and brothers. Perhaps Sir Tolkien thought that a woman in the fellowship would possibly complicate things. As a woman I know we can mess with a man's sometimes sensible head (one of our many gifts....Mwa ha ha haaa).

09-05-2004, 08:23 PM	#1
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Of course, if Lobelia had gone instead of Sam she wouldn't have put up with any guff from Gollum. And come to think of it, Sauron missed a move, not giving one of the rings to Queen Beruthiel. But then, maybe Sauron wasn't a cat person. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

09-05-2004, 10:01 PM	#3
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Lol! Plus, at the time setting, womans sufferage was nonexsistant, so it would make sense it Tolkien kept the setting of Middle Earth parallel with the time period of the world at that time! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-06-2004, 08:01 AM	#4
lotrfreak90 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Penns Woods (pensylvania) Posts: 12	You guys kinda got off topic __________________ Landis L. T. Z. _____________________________________________ And they shall soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow feint, those who hope in the lord. {Isaiah 40:31}

09-06-2004, 08:03 AM	#5
lotrfreak90 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Penns Woods (pensylvania) Posts: 12	oh, Encaitare in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate! __________________ Landis L. T. Z. _____________________________________________ And they shall soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow feint, those who hope in the lord. {Isaiah 40:31}

09-06-2004, 08:38 PM	#8
ninlaith Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in my hobbit hole Posts: 204	Arwen was part of the council. In fact she was sitting right next to her father and brothers. Perhaps Sir Tolkien thought that a woman in the fellowship would possibly complicate things. As a woman I know we can mess with a man's sometimes sensible head (one of our many gifts....Mwa ha ha haaa). __________________ "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!"-Bilbo Baggins

09-05-2004, 09:31 PM	#2
Lobelia Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 150	[QUOTE=Tuor of Gondolin]Of course, if Lobelia had gone instead of Sam she wouldn't have put up with any guff from Gollum. Too right I wouldn't! That Frodo is such a nice boy, not like his uncle Bilbo who kept avoiding me ... I would have looked after him and hit the King of the Ringwraiths on the head with my umbrella (sorry, Eowyn). Oh, well. Men and male Hobbits, not to mention Oxford academics, like their boys' clubs, don't they? Guess I'll just have to stick to fighting off Sharkey's men at home.