who is the best of the valar? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mankáno · 05-11-2002, 06:02 PM

it depends.

Obviously the Aratar: Manwe, Varda, Yavanna, Aule, Orome, Mandos, Nienna and Ulmo are above the rest.

Tulkas is the strongest, but his powers and specially his winsdom is behind the others.

Manwe is said to be the one who knows Iluvatar's thoughts better, and Ulmo just a little less, followed by Aule, Orome and Mandos, in that order, then Irmo (Lorien) and Tulkas.

The Valier are in this order: Varda, Yavanna, Nienna, Vaire, Este, Vana, Nessa.

There is not a comprarisson between Valar and Valier, it's not said if Varda is more or less powerful than Manwe but she is put behind him.

However, Varda is said to the the one with the better foresight as she remembers the music of the Ainunindale better than all theh others, including Manwe.

And it's true that she is the most feared by Melkor, but I think it's mostly because Varda isn't as naive as Manwe.

Neither Varda, nor Yavanna created the ents, the ents were created by Eru at Yavanna's request, the only of the Valar that created living things (with intelligence) was Aule, and he got the bless of Iluvatar.

05-11-2002, 06:02 PM	#34
Mankáno Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tirion Posts: 30	it depends. Obviously the Aratar: Manwe, Varda, Yavanna, Aule, Orome, Mandos, Nienna and Ulmo are above the rest. Tulkas is the strongest, but his powers and specially his winsdom is behind the others. Manwe is said to be the one who knows Iluvatar's thoughts better, and Ulmo just a little less, followed by Aule, Orome and Mandos, in that order, then Irmo (Lorien) and Tulkas. The Valier are in this order: Varda, Yavanna, Nienna, Vaire, Este, Vana, Nessa. There is not a comprarisson between Valar and Valier, it's not said if Varda is more or less powerful than Manwe but she is put behind him. However, Varda is said to the the one with the better foresight as she remembers the music of the Ainunindale better than all theh others, including Manwe. And it's true that she is the most feared by Melkor, but I think it's mostly because Varda isn't as naive as Manwe. Neither Varda, nor Yavanna created the ents, the ents were created by Eru at Yavanna's request, the only of the Valar that created living things (with intelligence) was Aule, and he got the bless of Iluvatar.