Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

And again, it's mid-game, I don't think it's too bold for an Infector (in this case Lommy) to have gone all-out on the Sally quarantining. Since she's already in the public eye as suspicious, she doesn't have much to lose by being in the spotlight, and the end result is that a non-wolf got lynched.

YesterDay was Day3, so scarcely mid-game in this big village. Also I don't think I have been widely suspected until toDay. You're looking at toDay's situation to make sense of yesterDay, and it doesn't add up.

Lottie - yes I didn't focus on Boro's vote despite it being similar to Sally and Zil's. That's because I thought Sally and Zil looked suspicious for other things as well, while for Boro the vote was more or less the only suspicious thing about him. I don't see why this is weird. If someone that overall seems innocent to you does something dodgy, I think it's natural to move them into an unsure category in your head (as I did with Boro yesterDay). While if someone you already consider dodgy does something dodgy, it's red flags time (that was me about Sally yesterDay, and to a lesser degree about Inzil).

I'm really torn about Inzil at the moment. I still don't like his vote from the Day before yesterDay, and I don't like his crusade against me toDay because granted I made myself a very easy target yesterDay. But I am aware there's still a chance he's a misguided innocent (a position I can scarcely judge) and in suspecting him I'm throwing myself into an interesting adventure called tunnel vision, part three.

Eönwë's suspicion of me feels very opportunistic to me, while Pitchwife and Lottie's more organic and understandable. Granted, this might be partly because I have other reasons to think Lottie and Pitch innocent, but nothing in particular for Eönwë.

Now I'm off to look at Legate's posts. Meanwhile you guys please think about the fact that only the wolves could have known that Sally was innocent yesterDay. I'm sure that's carrying echoes into toDay in terms of bashing people who genuinely thought Sally was a wolf.

[Thinlómien]

Day1

Notable that he was in the middle of the fake votes plan contoversy. Would the wolves think a seer would stick his head out like that? I wouldn't; but then again, Legate himself didn't seem to consider his own actions very controversial, so maybe he would have. Also I wouldn't put it past the wolves to have mostly concentrated on later Days. Anyway, something worth noting.

Made this absolutely silly joke early on Day1, singling out Zil:

Originally Posted by Legate

Those who are here now are fairly active already, but hey, we can't all be Wolves, right? Or... *dun dun dun dun* (No, that's not a pun on Inziladun. OR IS IT?)

which I wouldn't read much into unless his later suspicions are consistent with that.

List #88. Personally I think most potential seerish (ie clearly saying either innocent or guilty) phrasing is:

Lottie has raised some eyebrows, but it seems to me like she acts the way innocent Lottie would.

But of course, a lot of people hadn't posted very much yet when he made the list, so as an apparent seer his "dream" could have been someone he simply didn't get to comment yet. Such as Rune, who he hoped would post and then once he did, he says

Otherwise... I have good feelings about Rune, especially his post #117 seems genuinely innocentish to me.

Interestingly enough, Inzil of whom he made the jokey wolf remark early on Day1 doesn't appear on Legate's list at all.

About Lalaith his first comment upon her appearance was

That was as fishy first post as they go. "Everyone is a Wolf, hint hint not me."

Which I guess in an alternate unierse could have been Legateseer jumping on dreamt wolf Lalaith as soon as she appears on the thread.

Fake voted Kitanna. If the wolves thought he'd been the seer, would they have assumed he'd have voted a dreamt wolf if he had one? I would think that more plausible than not.

Made a second list #226. The one thing that stands out to me is in his "innocent" zone this one:

Marx - I mean, Rune - is to the point, and I sense no falsehood in his tone. Okay now.

The second time he makes a vague point for Rune's innocence, and Rune is the only person he either trusts or suspects about whom he is 100% consistent the whole Day.

This makes me feel better about Rune. If the wolves thought Legate was the seer, they most likely thought he had dreamt of innocent!Rune on Night1.

Keeps suspecting Kit and Brinn, voted Brinn.


Day2

Is rather vocal about that knowing Brinn's role would be very helpful (already mentioned this the Day before).

(Jokingly??) suspects Pitch for wanting to be a fly on the wall in the QT with Rikae and G55.

Thinks there's at least one wolf among "Lhuna, Boro, Shasta, Kitanna, Greenie and/or Eönwë (and/or Lalaith)" but doesn't quite reach a conclusion which one.

Calls Zil and Pitch "suspicious as Morgoth wearing a tutu under the Two Tree" for talking about Kit. Still "on the verge" about Kitanna, but possibly changed his mind enough for it to look like a seer dream...?

Bad vibes about Lottie, and to a lesser degree, about Huinesoron.

Another list #455. Suspects Huine, Lottie, Brinn, Lommy, Kitanna, Zil, Mac and Greenie. Considers Rune (again), Kath, THE Ka and Shasta innocent.

Starts the Huine wagon and tries to convince people to join him. Very bold if he had indeed been the seer, but I guess the wolves couldn't discount that option.

(Meanwhile, doesn't want to take a stance on Lommy vs Mac, and keeps suspecting Brinn. Mildly suspects Lottie and Greenie too.)

Presumed Legate-seer dreams: Night1 innocent Rune and Night2 guilty Huine?


Day3

Analyses the previous Day's voting in #632, but doesn't conclude much.

Mild to middle grade suspicion towards: Boro, Zil, Brinn, Sally, Lhuna, Greenie.

Mild to middle grade trust towards: Kath, Pitch, Shasta.

Another list which I'm gonna quote because it's just names:

Originally Posted by Legate

Wary of:
Greenie
Lhuna
Inzil
Boro
Brinniel
Eönwë

Thought guilty earlier but think better now:
Lottie

Flip-floppy about:

Thinlómien
Sally
Lalaith
Macalaure

Nothing particular on:
Pitchwife
THE Ka

Feeling good about:
Kath
Shasta
Rune

States he would prefer to vote Brinn, Boro or Eönwë.

Lots of frantic posting in the Sally mess. Did not trust Sally's reveal and voted her. Parting shot:

Topic for the next Day: "Who among those who abstained from voting (or voted when it matters no more) are Wolves, et cetera."

Hmm. Night3 seer!Legate dream? Innocent Kath or innocent Shasta, but pretty impossible to say which. Possibly innocent Lottie with how she go her own category on the list, but would the wolves think the seer to draw attention to their dream like that?

~*~

Conclusions: If the wolves killed Legate for looking like the seer (and what else are they looking for than the seer?) I'm 99% sure Rune is innocent (unless the wolves somehow read Legate's posts in an absolutely different light than I just did, but Legate's consistent trust in Rune really stands out on reread).

Sadly that's the only conclusion I'm confident about. Also looks like they could have thought he dreamt of wolf!Huine, which doesn't help us very much.

Lastly, I feel a little better about Shasta, Kath, and Lottie, but I'm hesitant to say Legate's death exonerates them all.

A curious addendum? How Brinn stands out. Legate suspected her quite consistently, although not with a seerish conviction perhaps. More interesting is how he said it would be useful to know Brinn's role (both end of Day1 and early Day2) and went on suspecting her. Would a wolf!Brinn have interepreted this as seer!Legate wanting to dream of her and doing so, but for some reason concentrating primarily on other suspects (Huine and Sally) on the next Days, perhaps hoping he can come out in the near future with knowledge of wolf!Brinn and a few other dreams? I mean, from my pov, if Legate was a seer, Huinewolf looks like the most likely Night2 dream, but would paranoid Brinnwolf think otherwise? Perhaps?


edit: xed with all three previous posts

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Kath

Annoyed innocent here or calculated wolf? I think the self-sacrificial attitude does actually make me feel a bit better about him, but then I'm interested to know what he felt about sally, as this did put Brinn at 2 votes while sally already had 4, and at the time he was the only other lynch candidate with votes. Also, voting for sally would have been him actually working to save himself whereas the vote for Brinn was by no means putting himself safe.

It seemed the suspicion on Sally was largely based on her place on the Macwagon. My vote was similarly placed, and I saw no other reason to be worried about her.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

It's unlikely that it'll go that badly for us, especially since we still have the Seer, but it is important because it means that we're definitely in the mid-game now, which (at least, based on my previous games) means that we're more likely to see more complex plays from the wolves - maybe more wolf-on-wolf (since now when one dies they'll have had a lot of Days to implicate others), maybe more bluffs, more aggression, etc. So just something to watch out for.

This strikes me as "saying something without really saying anything". Dodgy.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Just some initial thoughts about everyone:

Lommy: Like I said, I don't think a wolf would be bold enough to lead the charge like she did. If innocent, she certainly would be an easy target for the wolves toDay.

First, I think a Lommywolf could easily afford to be aggressive there. There are still four wolves. And knowing that if Sally was really the Hunter, her odds of targeting an innocent were good.

[Boromir88]

I'm going to be occupied for most of the day, but will be back before DL.

For the QT. I would vote +-Lhuna

Ok, it stinks when your time zone doesn't allow you to be around when all the insanity unfolds. Still she made 2 safe votes. Not safe because of the TIME, but safe because of the people she suspects.

She mentions Huey's slip, but doesn't follow up on it.

1st was a self-vote.

2nd was a flimsy vote for Lommy that she still hasn't explained.

Boro changes his mind and votes sally in the interest of self preservation. Why the change of mind here, Boro? I know you cross posted but I don't think you were actually in danger at this point. The majority of the village had voted and sally was already well in the lead with votes.~Kath

I agree with Kath here – this was strange. Boro does seem more than a little paranoid here, essentially voting Sally to prevent a panic bandwagon against himself even though he didn’t look like a very likely lynch candidate at this point. Mind you, going after people who seem “paranoid” hasn’t served me very well in this game~Greenie

When I voted, Lottie was the 5th vote for sally. Not including mine, 8 people still had to vote. Lottie, Legate, and to some degree sally, Mac, Brinn, Greenie had stated suspicions on me. Pardon me for worrying a panic-wagon of "don't lynch the hunter" went towards me in the last 5 minutes, after G55's "reveal" had everyone rushing to save her except for Kit.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I'm getting more and more convinced it is not in the innocents' interests for everyone to leave their votes to the last minute.

I agree. Let's start the ball rolling. (Also getting this out there before I fall back to sleep again. )

++EÖNWË

My suspicion of him based on his voting pattern stands.

If Lommy and/or Boro are wolves, then their longevity as a pack would be better served by having a couple of relatively submarine packmates. And while I'm still convinced they're both suspicious, this village has so far had the bad habit of lynching those who are in the middle of the controversy of the Day who more often than not turn out to be innocent, and I'm sick of imagining the wolves cackling to themselves as they watch. Also, giving both of them one more Day and Night's worth of scrutiny should yield something a little bit more concrete.

i'm also not convinced about how Lommy explained that killing Legate as a possible Seer places Rune in a good light. I don't think Legate would have been that vocal about dreaming of him if he were the Seer.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

i'm also not convinced about how Lommy explained that killing Legate as a possible Seer places Rune in a good light. I don't think Legate would have been that vocal about dreaming of him if he were the Seer.

Do you then disagree that Legate was killed for looking like a seer? If not, who do you think they thought he dreamed of?

The two first votes are interesting. Lhuna goes for yet another not-so-popular pick, but given how she acknowledges this in her reasoning, I can't really disagree. I mean we must have at least a few wolves who are quiet and steering clear of controversy, unless the remaining pack is Brinn-Zil-Boro-Lottie, which I quite refuse to believe.

Eönwë goes for Boro, which is consistent with his earlier suspicions. But Eönwë, if you have time to clarify at any point - why Boro and not me or Zil? As far as I can see you didn't specify before which one of us your top suspects is the most suspicious to you and why.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Do you then disagree that Legate was killed for looking like a seer? If not, who do you think they thought he dreamed of?

The most Seerish thing Legate did that stood out to me was encouraging a vote for Hui and looking for support. I think it's more likely he would stick his neck out, as we see in hindsight, to point out a wolf than an innocent, like he would have done with Rune on Day 1 in your scenario.

I say this because I've been thinking Rune might be another submarine wolf. Given that I suspect you, this could be a way for you to use a Seer-candidate's words to keep others from taking a closer look at Rune. And it bothers me that at least a couple of people have agreed with you about him.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

The most Seerish thing Legate did that stood out to me was encouraging a vote for Hui and looking for support. I think it's more likely he would stick his neck out, as we see in hindsight, to point out a wolf than an innocent, like he would have done with Rune on Day 1 in your scenario.

I say this because I've been thinking Rune might be another submarine wolf. Given that I suspect you, this could be a way for you to use a Seer-candidate's words to keep others from taking a closer look at Rune. And it bothers me that at least a couple of people have agreed with you about him.

Well I would assume the seer to leave some clue about his known innocents, should he die without getting to reveal. I somewhat assumed everyone would at least consider this, but I see now that everyone doesn't. Unless you're a wolf who is trying to discredit innocent Rune because you might need him as a lynch option later?

[Eönwë]

Posts from wolves' last days that I think are likely to be important/revealing:

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

I say this because I've been thinking Rune might be another submarine wolf. Given that I suspect you, this could be a way for you to use a Seer-candidate's words to keep others from taking a closer look at Rune. And it bothers me that at least a couple of people have agreed with you about him.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

If Lommy and/or Boro are wolves, then their longevity as a pack would be better served by having a couple of relatively submarine packmates. And while I'm still convinced they're both suspicious, this village has so far had the bad habit of lynching those who are in the middle of the controversy of the Day who more often than not turn out to be innocent, and I'm sick of imagining the wolves cackling to themselves as they watch. Also, giving both of them one more Day and Night's worth of scrutiny should yield something a little bit more concrete.

i'm also not convinced about how Lommy explained that killing Legate as a possible Seer places Rune in a good light. I don't think Legate would have been that vocal about dreaming of him if he were the Seer.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

It feels hypocritical to analyse these votes when I didn’t put one in.

DAY 3 VOTES (with Day 2, Day 1)

THE Ka -> Sally (Lottie 2, Brinniel 3)
QT -> Brinn (Brinn)
Eönwë -> Sally 2 (Hui 7, Urwen)
Kath -> Inzil (Inzil, G55 2)
Greenie -> Sally 3 (Mac 2, Mac)
Lommy -> Sally 4 (Mac, G55 5)
——HunterSally reveal——
Inzil -> Brinn 2 (Mac 5, G55 3)
Lottie -> Sally 5 (Hui 4, G55 4)
Lalaith -> Sally 6 (Hui 5, no vote)
Legate -> Sally 7 (Hui, Brinn 5)
Shasta -> Sally 8 (Mac 7, Pitch 2)
Brinn -> Sally 9 (Hui 6, G55 7)
Rune -> Inzil 2 (Lottie, Brinn 4)
Boro -> Sally 10 (Mac 6, Pitch)
Pitch -> Eonwe (Hui 3, Brinn 2)
No vote: Lhuna (Lommy, Lhuna)


Based on the voting patterns ALONE, these stand out to me at the moment:

Likely Innocent
Lottie
Cast a decisive Hui vote. Her reactions to being a possible Huntee looked genuinely innocent to me.

Pitch
Cast a decisive Hui vote. He believed sally’s reveal, so his vote for Eonwe shows integrity.


Bad
Eonwe
I still think his vote for Urwen was a throwaway.
I still believe his vote for Hui could be wolf-on-wolf.
He prefaced his vote for sally with
I do not understand this at all.

Lommy
I know she had been consistent about suspecting sally yesterDay, but she could be a wolf who knows that sally is likely to target an innocent based on her suspicions, so she boldly challenged her claim and pushed for her lynching. Two birds, one stone.

Shasta
I’m still not comfortable about that throwaway Mac vote. Also voting for Sally after this then afterwards saying this I don’t follow.

Boro
I still think his late vote for Mac on Day 2 was an attempt to save Hui. The strange thing, however, is that before the Huiwagon gained steam, he threw in a comment agreeing with Legate (after he expressed that he’s considering voting for Hui) that Hui was worth giving a more thorough look. He probably didn’t expect the Huiwagon to take off the way it did, and so held his vote at the last possible minute to save him.
His vote for sally came after concurring with Shasta’s first statement above. Also, his “If you're the hunter, happy killing” comment just sounds too flippant. Like “I know your current suspects are innocents so have fun killing any of them.” Again, two birds, one stone. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a couple of wolves voted for sally for this very reason.


Should look more closely
Brinn
Mighty strange how all her votes came in towards the end of a successful bandwagon, even if we don’t count the Day 1 vote to save herself.

Rune
Last mention of Zil on Day 2, he was in his neutral zone, and his suspects were Brinn, Lottie, and Eonwe. YesterDay, he said his quick read-through had not yielded any new suspicions. Afterwards he asked to confirm if his understanding of why Zil and sally were being suspected is accurate, which Legate did. Next thing we see, he could vote for Zil as well as his three suspects without feeling too bad about it. So while his not voting for sally is consistent with his stand on her reveal, his choice of vote seems oddly out of the blue.

Greenie
Primarily because she has voted for two known innocents so far

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Okay, reading over my main suspects (Mac, Pitch, Lommy, Zil, in that order for now):

Mac: Thought innocent yesterDay, but realised today that was down to not trusting the way people were suspecting him, when those people were a (now) known and a probable innocent. ToDay, launched straight into 'what if everyone thinks I'm a wolf', and starts in on Kitanna, which is an interesting line in view of, y'know... Kitanna. And he keeps trying to implicate the people who suspect him. I really don't like this.

Pitchwife: My chief suspect yesterDay, for his actions in the GLP & several 'just asking questions' posts; also his position on the Brinn-wagon (both suspicion and voting). Launches toDay with "this may implicate Brinn, except isn't that almost too obvious?" - I'm starting to view this less as 'just asking questions', and more as 'they will say both no and yes'. He suspects Zil with no explanation (at the time), and later pushes both the start and the stop of the Kit discussion, including one 'saw it as I was writing' crosspost that makes me feel like his post was intended to take credit for starting the 'let's shut it down' discussion.

Lommy: My second suspect yesterDay, mostly for reasons of tone I think. ToDay, she seems a lot better. #350 is a good example of this - she's not sitting there saying 'yes, but maybe no', she's analysing the evidence for both (all) sides of the discussion. And she's cast the first vote, too.

Zil: Completely off my radar yesterDay; it's those short posts of his. Today, spent a fair few posts talking about things we know aren't true, such as Rikae-wolf; even more posts on the Kit discussion; really, I'm seeing a lot of posts where Zil's contribution is shorter than what he's replying to! It may be just his style, so he's not top of my list, but he does look (at least at times) like a wolf trying to look active without having to say much.

I'm starting to worry I might just trust people who write long posts on multiple topics. :-/

Okay, at the moment I'm likely to vote Mac, but will take Pitch as still looking about as suspicious as yesterday (Mac's just more suspicious). Lommy I'm going to call neutral for now. Zil I think there's a better-than-even chance is a wolf.

At the moment, two of my top three have 1 vote each. It's going to be interesting to see who gets offered up to take the heat off them...

hS

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Zil has one of the highest post counts? o.O How is that possibly true?

I think that raises him from 'moderate' to 'probable' wolf in my estimation. Sadly for Mac, with both of them having a vote, it doesn't make me think he himself is less suspicious - accusing your packmate right before one of you gets lynched sounds like a great way to alleviate suspicion of them.

hS

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

If Lommy and/or Boro are wolves, then their longevity as a pack would be better served by having a couple of relatively submarine packmates. And while I'm still convinced they're both suspicious, this village has so far had the bad habit of lynching those who are in the middle of the controversy of the Day who more often than not turn out to be innocent, and I'm sick of imagining the wolves cackling to themselves as they watch. Also, giving both of them one more Day and Night's worth of scrutiny should yield something a little bit more concrete.

I would be very surprised if at last one of these isn't an Infector.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Inzil

Well, the Seer is the prime target always. It's only when they really don't see compelling signs that they'll just go for one unlikely to be lynched.

I might still buy this explanation if it had been Night 2 or something. At this stage, though, I really can't see how they could afford not to try for the Seer. Certainly if their prospective Seer is also someone who is generally considered innocent and therefore unlikely lynchee, all the better for them, but I doubt they'd pick anyone only because of that.

Originally Posted by Boro

I can see her going with a planned sacrifice if she thought it would help her packmates. Particularly if it bought her mates a couple days of perceived innocence.

It's not impossible, but I find wolf-on-wolf less likely. It felt similar to Huey's lynch, sort of unexpected. She was my preferred choice, but I don't appear to be a trusted figure amongst the living. I don't think Lhuna was considered an option until the QT vote.

It tells me that dead innocents trusted someone here yesterday and Lhuna's lynch took the pack possibly by surprise. It wasn't nearly as hectic as Huey's lynch, but I don't see a pre-planned "sacrifice Lhuna" plot from anyone yesterday.

This last bit especially I find worth noting. The Lhunawagon came about pretty quickly and only after the QT vote; though a few of us had said they found her somewhat suspicious, it looked like most people were pretty surprised by the QT picking her. So yes, I'd expect to see some wolf-on-wolf among the Lhuna voters, but not an orchestrated plot to sacrifice her.

[Boromir88]

So much I'd like to do today, but I'm running out of time. So...let's see if I'm better at prioritizing than mental lists.

Disclaimer: Not discounting the possibility of wolf-on-wolf, but there's still 3. The normal amount for a village. Don't get cocky, yet.

I'm pleasantly surprised that our lynches haven't caused a complete melt down. There was a hiccup with sally that really gave us nothing. Stay the course and focus on the non-Lhuna voters:

Eonwe >>> Boro

Point in favor was his vote for Huey to tie the knot. He's been consistently suspicious of me, but I'll have others take a look at his vote if they so desire. This came before the QT vote was known, so he might have changed if not having to vote early.

Inzil >>> Lommy

Remarks that was an interesting choice from the QT, but not his top choice. Votes Lommy to make it a 4 way tie with me, Eonwe, Lhuna and Lommy. Definitely a suspicious early vote. I wasn't opposed to putting more people into the pot yesterday, but in addition to the poor choice, quickly dismissive of the QT.

Lottie >>> Boro

I get this vote, but will have others take a look at it if they so desire. Not a major fan of her methods, but can't deny they work well for her and just because someone takes the road less travelled doesn't mean we don't eventually reach the same destination.

Greenie >>> Inzil

I believe this made the count: Boro - 2, Lhuna - 1, Lommy - 1, Inzil - 1, Eonwe - 1. Additional spreading of the pot, which was pinged by Pitch. But if a wolf, trying to save Lhuna I would think she would have begun to consolidate the vote. Could have put me further in the lead, for example.

After Greenie's vote it starts to consolidate between Eonwe and Lhuna.

Pitch >>> Eonwe

He notes my comment about not wanting to limit ourself to just 2 choices today makes him not want to vote for me. Votes Eonwe, despite not liking to do so because he was away. Seems to disregard the QT vote. Suspicious. This made a 3 way tie between me, Lhuna, and Eonwe

Rune >>> Eonwe

At this point Lhuna was at 4, Eonwe 3. However, Rune and Lommy (for Lhuna) voted at the same time. So when making his vote the count was Lhuna 3/ Eonwe 2. Suspicious, looks like an attempt to save Lhuna.

Kath and Shasta then voted for Lhuna to put it out of reach I believe.

I tacked on a vote for Eonwe, just because he was an unknown and my preferred choice had already had her fate sealed.

So, for the QT my proposted vote...

+-Rune

[Thinlómien]

Hello? Eeriely quiet here! I mean, I guess it could be a welcome change in this game, but I'm a bit uneasy. We have the most data so far, we could coordinate something with the qt, but nothing is happening.

I'll make a list to sort my thoughts a little:


Leaning innocent

Lottie and Pitch - still think them innocent for previously stated reasons, and just when I started having second thoughts about them, Greenie's analysis goes and makes them look better. Eh, still not really suspecting them.

Greenie - I was wary of her for a long time, but she has come off as more genuine for the last couple of Days. Also I like her list and I think it would have been a crazy endeavour from a wolf. (It's already crazy from an innocent, but if you add to gathering the facts the effort of presenting them in a light that would hopefully benefit her fellows and make a few innocents look shady? Craazy. I say she deserves at least one Day's pass )

Rune - as I said, Legate's death and Lhuna's denial of my conclusions about it make him look very innocent.


Leaning wherever they want apparently

Brinn and Boro - this game has weirdly warped around both, especially Brinn, still neither of them has gotten even close to getting lynched despite having been under fairly heavy suspicion. I am hesitant to suspect them because they are too "obvious" choices and I feel a bit like both have been "used" by other players in this game, but I don't really have anything to back that up. Both of them also voted late enough yesterDay not to make a difference, and have made several other potentially wolfy votes in the past (for example on Day2).

Kath - nothing makes me suspect her in particular, but I think she usually plays a little more in her own bubble when a wolf, and she's been increasingly doing that. Her Lhuna vote yesterDay came when she was already on the lead, which makes it relatively meaningless. Certainly someone that deserves far more scrutiny than she's getting.

Shasta - hm. I kinda like how he thinks outside the box, but I certainly don't like how he leaves voting for the last minute every time and fails to leave any kind of trail that way. Also, he seems to be flying under the whole village's radar. Why hasn't basically anyone suspected him so far?


Leaning guilty

Zil - to be quite honest, I'm not as sure as I used to be. I kinda relate to him and his misguided zeal, and in any case I can hardly judge that. Still, there's still a wealth of incriminating facts against him, and Greenie not finding anything to dispute the possibility of him being fellows with Huine and Lhuna certainly doesn't help. So: despite the almost staggering evidence, I'm not convinced Zil is a wolf, but I wouldn't forgive myself if I let Zilwolf waltz into victory after how much I have been on his trail.

Eönwë - he's just not sitting right with me in this game at all. Granted, I could be a little blinded by his persistent suspicion for me which makes very little innocent sense from my pov, but he just sounds fake to me most of the time and he keeps concentrating on things I personally find trivial. Also I see Greenie didn't find anything decisive about him, and I still find the implications of Lalaith's death about him a little concerning. Yes, it's possile the wolves really only caught onto Lalaith's words about Kitanna and Legate, and Eönwë just happens to be an unfortunate innocent she heavily suspected (but then: why not "dream" of Legate instead of him on N4?). But I would say it's about as likely that a wolf pack including Wolfwë thought there was seerish intent in how Lalaith tried to recruit others behind her Eönwë case.

THE Ka - I've said for a few Days now that how she seems harmless by operating in her own "bubble", posting content but steering clear from controversial topics, is very alarming to me and reminds me of her past wolfy self. Plus, her Lhuna vote from yesterDay has a bit of the vibe of a wolf voting in a way that would make her look good (following the qt, staying clear of the "likely" lynch candidates who have been under fire that Day ie me, Zil and Boro - especially if we happened to all be innocent) and simply not expecting a bandwagon to form in her footsteps.


Parting commentary:

About Greenie's analysis which I'm using to help myself: yes, she could be a wolf twisting the facts to her own liking, but I doubt she's lying about anything (that would be somewhat unsporting and unwise). So it's her conclusions one should be wary of. Usually this kind of analyses get a lot of stuff right but there usually is at least one member of the wolf pack who turns out to be one of the "no way would this be fellow wolves with known wolf x". So I'm using Greenie's conclusions and taking them with a pinch of salt. Also good to remember she didn't understandably analyse herself, and who knows what we'd find there. (If memory serves, she and Huine scarcely mentioned each other, and she and Lhuna didn't greatly suspect each other at least. Potentially quite wolfy, I daresay.)

About my analyses of the last two kills: It's entirely possible I'm reading the wolf kills' posts more thoroughly than the wolves themselves have. After all, in a village of this size, if they're debating between several kill choices, would they have the time to go through all their posts from Day1 onwards? Maybe, but also maybe not. Not a reason to discredit my findings, but a thing to keep in mind.


edit: xed with Zil and Boro - yay, signs of life!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Looking back on the last few minutes to see where my head's at gives me a pool of Lommy, Brinn, and Pitch. Based on prior QTs, it's entirely possible I'll wake up, see how everything has gone, and be shruggy about any wagon that isn't one of those three.

Brinn still worries me going back to Day 1. The fact that her vote put Huey in front is a point in her favor, but yesterDay's on Lhuna said nothing.
I suspected Pitch early on, and his following Lhuna's vote yesterDay does look a bit sketchy. That would be pretty bold if they were mates, though.
Lommy looks better for her Lhuna vote at a critical time, but I can't discount spontaneous wolf-on-wolf, with the knowledge that there would still be three of them left.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

It feels like Zil is a bit of a meme at this point. Like, he hasn't really been on my radar, I recall agreeing with a couple of things he had to say, but I feel like literally everyone else suspects him (I recall seeing several versions of "And Zil, he's just been suspicious all game, I don't need to go into detail here")

I'd like to be a meme. Awesome.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I would be very surprised if at last one of these isn't an Infector.

Lommy I've certainly suspected, but Boro has been an enigma the whole time. I seem to remember him acting like this before, but it's been to long to recall the circumstances.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Eönwë's suspicion of me feels very opportunistic to me, while Pitchwife and Lottie's more organic and understandable. Granted, this might be partly because I have other reasons to think Lottie and Pitch innocent, but nothing in particular for Eönwë.

You've been on my suspicious list since Day 2.