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Old 06-04-2015, 08:22 PM   #1
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White-Hand

The debate was long and hard again, it took its toll on all.

Fortunately, food had been mysteriously provided again.

Even so, after many hours of debate, the inmates must have been getting a little loopy for they started wondering if they would receive an otherworldly visitor...or sign...or something!!!!

But nothing happened.

Why was that? Oh well, can't worry about that, thar be killin' to do!

The inmates seized Aganzir and thrust her under the blade!

THUNK

Ahh! That was satisfying!

Suddenly there was a creak...a SNAP...and

CHOMP

A huge bear trap suddenly snapped shut on the legs of A Little Green!

Crossbow bolts suddenly flew through the chamber and tore A Little Green to pieces.

Then the lights went out.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green

The Living:
Formendacil
Rikae
satansaloser2005
Macalaure
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Nerwen
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Kath

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Gwathagor
(Ordo)

Housekeeping Note: Due to a family committment tomorrow, I will be starting DAY 3 at 7 PM EST tomorrow. Everyone who has picks please have them to me by then. I thought making the DAY longer was more fair than making the NIGHT longer.
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Old 06-05-2015, 04:57 PM   #2
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Boots Day 3

"BREAKFAST!!!!!" came an insultingly loud voice out of nowhere.

The sun was filtering down again.

Sure enough, a healthy morning repast was spread out on the tables.

As much as their stomachs were rumbling...something was putting them off wanting to dive in...

It probably had something to do with the mass of gore strewn about the place. New gore, that is, somehow the previous bodies and their attendant fluids had also vanished.

But there was so much mess laying about that nobody gave it much thought.

One of the residents scratched as they all looked about themselves.

Sure seemed like more mess than would be made by just two people.

Sure enough, they found the head of Macalaure...

Then Rikae...how ironic...

...and Legate of Amon Lanc

Still, best to dig in before it gets cold!

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green
Macalaure
Rikae
Legate of Amon Lanc

The Living:
Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Nerwen
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor(Ordo)


Those who must stop PMing, do so!

The DAY will end at the customary hour.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:02 PM   #3
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What the what! I'm off to a family event but a lot to think about and process. How were there 3?
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:12 PM   #4
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Has to be known unknown surely? Some sort of assassin maybe. Assuming Agan was the Hunter. I have sleep to do now. Will return anon and hopefully an unhealthy breakfast and coffee will help.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:17 PM   #5
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Ouchee...that's 5 deaths in one Day/Night turn.

Agan must have been the Hunter...I'm just hoping there's a few wolves in this bloodbath over the last 24 hours.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:43 PM   #6
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Man, something strange must have gone down last night. Also assuming that Agan was the Hunter and brought Greenie down with her, have we heard any whispers of where the third kill came from? If we can get a better bead on which two were from wolves, it might help give us some additional leads on this mysterious third party (whom I am holding responsible for the third kill until further notice). As far as I know Kuru hasn't even told us which side they're on.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:47 PM   #7
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At least, we can be certain Agan is the Hunter, and therefor hopefully her trap struck a Greeniewolf. Also, I can use this to start forming better suspicions, since over 2 days she attracted a lot of votes and perhas there's a wolf or more to spot from the Agan voters.

The other thing, I hope the Dead knows someone's role from the Nog, phantom, Rune and Greenie group. Any ideas on which of the four they would have voted to find out?

Question for Master Kuru. Do we find out too who the Dead gives an extra vote to? I didn't spot anything in last night's narration, or today's. And I thought they had enough to start voting on that too?
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:52 PM   #8
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Question for Master Kuru. Do we find out too who the Dead gives an extra vote to? I didn't spot anything in last night's narration, or today's. And I thought they had enough to start voting on that too?
As of yesterDay they had a quorum, but I didn't see anything in the narrations to show who they might have voted on. And since they didn't have any additional information, they might well have decided to hold off until toDay to act.
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Has to be known unknown surely? Some sort of assassin maybe. Assuming Agan was the Hunter. I have sleep to do now. Will return anon and hopefully an unhealthy breakfast and coffee will help.
Yeah, I wondered about that too. If it is some assassin role. I wonder if the powers are limited to a certain number of targets or particular days...hard to tell. To McCaber's point too, without knowing for sure who were the wolves victims, the narrative doesn't appear to distinguish, it makes it a bit more challenging. I would assume that of the 3 Legate would be a relatively safe pick to be one of the wolf kills as he seemed fairly innocent and thoughtful. To that end, Rkae also seemed rather innocent to me, although I found her exclamation asking for somebody to find her suspicious as odd and wanted clarification on that toDay.

In the narration it talked about somebody with an itch again. I believe Lal discussed that a bit yesterDay and it would seem that this is indeed a clue to the role. It makes me think the person may not realize they have a role because they don't seem to know much about the itch...just speculation and not sure how it would all tie in.

Agan voters were:
Greenie (dead—possible wolf)
Lalaith
Lommy
McCaber
Mac
(dead)
Nilp
Eomer
Boromir


Indeed there likely was at least one or two wolves in the voting mix. However, I was suspicious of Mac and he's dead so I would think he was one and there is a reasonable chance that Greenie was. It might be a bit hopeful to think that two wolves went down in the fracas but I would think at least one. If Nog was a wolf (I don't think he was) then we would have 2 or 3 down. My guess is we have 1 or 2.

Oddly, Lommy maintained her suspicion of Agan after their fight and make up.

McCaber tied the vote, if I recall and Nilp put Agan ahead.

Boromir was effectively a throw away vote at the end and to a lesser degree so was Eomer's. Eomer could have influenced the outcome somewhat by voting for Mac who had 3 but the fate was essentially decided at that point.

From the voting, excluding the dead McCaber, Nilp, Boro and Eomer look the worst. However I maintain a suspicion of Sally who didn't vote yesterday among other things from the previous days stuff. She doesn't sit right with me. I'd like to hear more from her.

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I'm organizing some conclusions based on the kills/lynches we've seen thus far. It's not a lot, but it's something.

Roles we know
Agan was the hunter and chose Greenie on the Day she was killed
One of Mac, Rikae, and Legate was (most likely) the special role

Roles we can eliminate (i.e. the person cannot be a certain role)
Nog was not the ranger or a lover
Phantom was not the ranger or a lover
Rune was not the ranger or a lover

Pack connections we can assume
Phantom and Rune cannot be in the same wolf pack
Mac, Rike, and Legate cannot be in the same wolf pack


I have one more to add, but I need to finish something first. I'll make that a separate post.


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Old 06-05-2015, 10:45 PM   #11
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Roles we can eliminate (i.e. the person cannot be a certain role)
Nog was not the ranger or a lover
Phantom was not the ranger or a lover
Rune was not the ranger or a lover
Unless both the lovers are dead, in which case if Nog is a lover than so is either phantom, Rune, or Greenie. If Nog wasn't a lover, than any two of the others could be the pair.
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Unless both the lovers are dead, in which case if Nog is a lover than so is either phantom, Rune, or Greenie. If Nog wasn't a lover, than any two of the others could be the pair.
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I'm organizing some conclusions based on the kills/lynches we've seen thus far. It's not a lot, but it's something.

Roles we know
Agan was the hunter and chose Greenie on the Day she was killed
One of Mac, Rikae, and Legate was (most likely) the special role
Why? You think the special rôle is a second (presumably modified) Hunter? Or a sort of zombie Assassin? Or what?
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Eomer has been making a lot of cryptic statements today, hasn’t he? I wish he’d explain them.
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Alright, I'm finally back and back for good - my schedule is now free for the foreseeable future! I'll respond to a couple of things quickly, and then get down to more of my own thoughts in a later post.

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On Lottie

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#220 - Votes Nog. It's clear now that she did cross with Phantom, so at the time it's assumed she was placing the second vote on Nog. It's worth noting that there was indeed a big upswing in support for voting Nog at this time; Eomer, Phantom, Sally, and myself had mentioned possibly voting for him at this point.
I did cross with tp, just to clear that up.

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#250 - Defends Sally against Morm, regarding Sally's theory on a Runewolf being picked off last night. On rereading, it does seem a bit jumpy of Morm to come out so strongly against Sally there. I may have to look at him next, time permitting. Regarding Lottie herself, she says she's suspicious of Morm here. Nothing really jumps out at me.

...

- strikes me as a bit hypocritical, though. Weren't you just talking in rather certain terms about why the wolves would make any particular kill? I can't decide if Lottie actually, innocently suspects Morm for this or if she's reaching for any reason to for its own sake.

#296 - Votes morm.
Even if I were a wolf, I wouldn't have to reach for reasons. There are two packs, after all. Anyway, I did suspect morm - I still do, to some extent, though I think there are much more fruitful lines of questioning to pursue toDay than there were yesterDay - primarily because he dismissed Sally's suggestion that the wolves killed Rune because they suspected he was a rival wolf so out of hand and adamantly. I did consider it less likely that the wolves had considered Rune to be Gifted than that they had considered him to be a rival, but only after serious consideration. Morm rejected it as impossible immediately - or at least, that is how I interpreted his posts. That immediate dismissal is what I found to be suspicious, if that helps clarify for you where I was coming from.

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Throughout most of this readthrough I was thinking Lottie looked pretty innocent. It wasn't until I got down to the end where I noticed a discrepancy and began to second-guess myself where she's concerned. However, I feel uncomfortable voting for her since she's already said she likely won't be back today, and I could use some clarification on one or two things she's said, so I won't necessarily be voting for her today.
I tried to clear my thought process up in the paragraph above, let me know if you have any other questions!

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We can’t ask about *all* the Dead. We need to pick one, or at most two, people at a time and have some way for the Dead to indicate they *haven’t* checked our selection. I think the first thing is to decide whose alignment we most want to know, and work from there.
We have fifteen Living and eight Dead. Couldn't we just assign two Living players to each Dead player, one to be given an extra vote in the case that their assigned Dead player was revealed to be predator and the other to be given an extra vote if that player was revealed to be prey? Since we have one too few Living toDay, we can assign the last possible result to the case that there is no extra vote granted, since the Dead have tied their vote. That way the Dead don't have to wait for us to vote, and we can receive their message loud and clear no matter how the voting goes down on our side.

Edit: xed with Sally! o.O
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Old 06-06-2015, 06:18 PM   #16
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This extra Night kill is interesting. Assuming Agan was the Hunter (seems clear enough that she was) and took Greenie down with her, then the extra death may suggest that either Greenie has some special role that allows her to also take someone down with her. I think it was Eomer that floated the possibility of a were-bear. Rules for them vary with each mod, so I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that a Greenie-bear could cause a death after her own.
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