WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Kath]

Morsul:

Day 1:
'will watch' Brinn, Pom is usually suspicious. Only concrete statements in a list post. Knew nothing of Brinn, was correct about Pom. Wolf-mates or lucky comment?

Pom's suggestion seems to be fairly genuine little information is better than no information.
Genuine or Captain Obvious statement. Either way little need for it to be further commented on unless to try and make Pom look good. With the statement from above, more likely to be wolf-mates.

Questions me being a Cobbler and further comments on it. Oddly, actually, he says that the reason was that I said wizards were wonderful - no suggestion that it was anything to do with Oz. That eventually made some sense to me, if he was picking on it just for the 'wonderful' part then that's weird.

Day 2:
Sorry for low participation on Night 1 had to work a double... ToNight will be better early plus I'll have a few hours before DL.

Looking over Night one will post comments.
Night activities on the brain?

A Little Green, "Green"- Showed up late but came out swinging voted Cab but levels some suspicion on Pom and Copp may wanted to look innocent suspecting Pom but voted an innocent Cab.
I'm sorry I still don't buy this 'hypothetical' thing. You AREN'T making a hypothetical point here in any way. No one, in any scenario, knows Cab is innocent - unless you're a wizard.

Right now Lottie is probably my top suspicion.

Like I said in my recap She was only the second vote for Pom.

She may have thought Cab was a sure lynch and therefore wasn't too worried about voting for a packmate.
If Morsul is a wolf this looks good for Lottie ... and possibly incriminate Nog as he is mentioned in the next post as being innocent if Lottie is a wolf.

Day 3:
Determined Rikae is a frustrated self-voting wolf. I suppose if he hasn't come across Rikae's overreactions before it makes sense. Does seem fairly honestly bewildered by the whole Rikae thing, but if he is a wolf that's easy to put on to push the votes for her.

Day 4:
Puts himself in the same boat as Gil. If he's a wolf, and therefore knows Gil is innocent, this is a clever move. Still throwing Lottie's name out but takes umbrage at sally being very determined to defend Nerwen.

Day 5:
Has a suspicion list of Lottie and sally (consistent with yesterDay) and then Nerwen/Nog - no explanation for last two. Then 'Nerwen overtook Nog' - WHY?!

Votes:
Day 1 - Kath (to me terrible reasoning!)
Day 2 - Ozban (so what happened to Lottie being his top suspicion?)
Day 3 - Rikae (knee-jerk reaction after Rikae's self-vote. Bit opportunistic.)
Day 4 - sally (oddly I agree with the vote, I just think it's suddenly out of nowhere.)
Day 5 - sally (consistent with yesterDay)

[Kath]

A re-read has done nothing to quell my suspicions and hopefully they're clearer now too. That said, I think the things he says about sally are entirely right. No reason that's not wolf on wolf this late in the game with sally not hugely suspected. To cast a first vote early and hope for no comeback on it is bold though.

[Kath]

sally, Morsul and Cop are my suspicions - in that order.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Kath

A re-read has done nothing to quell my suspicions and hopefully they're clearer now too. That said, I think the things he says about sally are entirely right. No reason that's not wolf on wolf this late in the game with sally not hugely suspected. To cast a first vote early and hope for no comeback on it is bold though.

This looks ridiculously innocent to me - her reasoning screams it. I don't want to elaborate, due to the time running down and talking about someone's innocent-ness really isn't my priority, but I wanted to mention that Kath just jumped from 'unknown' to 'feel good about'.

EDIT: xed since Rikae

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

This looks ridiculously innocent to me - her reasoning screams it. I don't want to elaborate, due to the time running down and talking about someone's innocent-ness really isn't my priority, but I wanted to mention that Kath just jumped from 'unknown' to 'feel good about'.

EDIT: xed since Rikae

No, I'm not getting any wolf vibes off Kath at the moment.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Loslote

This looks ridiculously innocent to me - her reasoning screams it. I don't want to elaborate, due to the time running down and talking about someone's innocent-ness really isn't my priority, but I wanted to mention that Kath just jumped from 'unknown' to 'feel good about'.

EDIT: xed since Rikae

Actually, it's not as rushed as I thought, I have a bit of time. It seems like the kind of semi-tunnel vision an innocent gets when they really, truly think someone is a wolf - taking even things that might seem contradictory and turning them to fit your suspicions. Not that she's misinterpreting anything, but that she's making her suspicions fit by sheer force of honestly thinking Sally and Morsul are wolves.

EDIT: xed since my last

[Kath]

++sally

For reasons previously mentioned.

[Loslote]

Morsul -> Sally
Cop -> Morsul
Zil -> Morsul
Sally -> Morsul
Cabbie -> Morsul

That's right, yeah? Well then. It looks like we have to be extremely careful with our votes if we want to lynch anyone other than Morsul.

EDIT: xed with Kath

[Loslote]

That's it, then. Morsul is lynched, unless we want to lynch Sally. We only have four more voters, and the first person to reach the tied total gets the lynch.

EDIT: xed with Nog and Rikae

[Rikae]

Bah, I messed something up - two cabs? Why?

[Nerwen]

Wait... has it now become a matter of either Morsul or Sally?

x'd since Lottie.

[Loslote]

Alright, then. Of the two, I find Morsul more suspicious. I did a quick read of Sally's posts, and she seems like her usual innocent self.

++Morsul

[Nogrod]

Has anyone a tally?

Three votes for Morsul I suppose? Others given toDay?

I could go for Sally or McCaber.


EDIT: X'd with a tally, thanks Lottie

[Nogrod]

Morsul is an odd player (so is Gil) - sorry you both, you're probably nice guys both but your playing-style is somewhat hard to follow. With Morsul I'm afraid we're getting another innocent lynched because of odd talk.

Also the bandwagon looks too easy for the Wizards to fill in. And Sally's vote (and McCaber's) a bit too well placed to really try and force us to this choice.

I also see now why Inzil looks suspicious to Riokae as I notice the first vote on Mors already by Cop.

[Nogrod]

I'd hate another Gil-lynch and will go then for...

++ Sally

I'd rather have picked McCaber, or maybe Lottie - she needs to be checked at more closely toMorrow, well a little depending on the ourtcome. I mean she really did her best to stop any Sally-lynch...

[Coppermirror]

Sweet. Good on you, Lottie! Taking one of them down with you.

So...Pom did panic because McCaber was a wizard, after all. And Morsul was innocent, so there's a lot of info to analyse toDay.

[Coppermirror]

Anyway, aside from looking at McCaber's posts, I'm going to be taking another look at Inzil. I thought it was reasonably likely that one out of him or Morsul was a wizard but that it couldn't be both. Since Morsul was innocent after all, this new information means my suspicion of Inzil has gone way up, so I need to see if it checks out.

[Rikae]

Oh, nice work Lottie!

This makes Copper look better. Going to have to go over Cab's posts and see how it reflects on everyone else.

Oh yeah, and on Morsul:

I told you so
I told you so
I told you so


Yeah.

[Inziladun]

Nice! Neat work from Lottie!

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Anyway, aside from looking at McCaber's posts, I'm going to be taking another look at Inzil. I thought it was reasonably likely that one out of him or Morsul was a wizard but that it couldn't be both. Since Morsul was innocent after all, this new information means my suspicion of Inzil has gone way up, so I need to see if it checks out.

Well, getting Cab gives us another Night of grace, but you could do better then me.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Oh yeah, and on Morsul:

I told you so
I told you so
I told you so


Yeah.

Yeah, yourself.
I simply wasn't willing to switch my suspect with little evidence.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, getting Cab gives us another Night of grace, but you could do better then me.

Any suggestions as to who, in that case?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Any suggestions as to who, in that case?

I intend to look at Nerwen and Sally.

[Inziladun]

To elaborate, I'm specifically interested to see if there appear to be any connections between those two and Pom and/or Cab.

[satansaloser2005]

A few thoughts on our resident crazy lady (said with reason and affection, I promise).

Originally Posted by Rikae

Oh yeah, and on Morsul:

I told you so
I told you so
I told you so


Yeah.

Yes, yes you did. You also told us a few other things....

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm strongly considering voting for Morsul:

-for trying to lump himself in with Gil yesterday as an "easy lynch".
-for the countdown to a wizard victory. Yes, it's just the facts, but something about the way he posted looks like counting down to his own win. I can't put my finger on what that "something" is, but it feels wrong.

And then, once he had votes....

Originally Posted by Rikae

No. I don't want to lynch him anymore. It seems too much as if he's been chosen for the purpose.

Wolves don't always bandwagon. Sometimes they just talk other people into doing it for them, then sit back and watch the carnage, afterward being able to claim they had nothing to do with the slaying of an innocent. Rikae did exactly, exactly that.

And then there's this that you said about me, which presses one of my suspicion buttons....

Originally Posted by Rikae

She started off with a lot of strange posts - I thought so at the time - implying she doesn't know anything about trolls. Really. Yes, it was banter, but I think everyone here knows Tolkien's trolls have pockets! I have no idea what that is or why she'd do it, unless maybe as some sort of wizard hint to the cobbler or... er, maybe a hunter hint? Purse troll? I don't even know.

I'm sorry, why did you feel the need to point out a gifted hint again? What made you think that could possibly be a good idea?

Back to the main issue, however, Rikae's flip flop (though not in the style of either of our wonderful mods) about Morsul yesterDay and toDay looks quite bad to me. I had left her to her own devices due to the rather heated nature of some conversations on the thread, but I simply can't ignore this. She put a Morsul lynch, which was already in most of our minds at the time, on the table with a shiny apple in its mouth, and then when people decided to bite, she backed away and is now calling us animals.

I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

Of course now I'm not sure what to think of her exchange(s) with Dun. Her throwaway (and it was!) vote for him yesterDay was wasteful, even if she were innocent and thought him a wolf. I mean, really, thanks for not deciding to kill me, but what the heck?

If she's a wizard, she's clearly not afraid to vote for her mates, as she cast the first vote against McCaber on Day 1 (though Day 1 is always a bit with the random and it's entirely possible she didn't think he'd garner more votes). Would she be bussing Dun in such a showy fashion though? And would he go along with it like this? Both of them are tricksy, clever little Werewolfers, so I wouldn't put it past them, but doing it like this is just....crazy.


I have a lot to think about....

x'd with a very self-confident Rikae, which just worries me more

[satansaloser2005]

A relevant song, I believe.

(It's also stuck in my head, and thus you all must suffer with me.)

[Rikae]

I "flip flopped" about Morsul because I saw the way things were going. Very much like - well, exactly like - I "flip flopped" on Cop on day One.

Sometimes - no, often - people's reactions to one's suspicions are more suspicions than whatever the original suspicion was based on.

Of course I could have done that as a wizard. It could also be that Brinn didn't dream of me at all, but just thought I looked innocent. I suppose I could also have had two fellow wizards who, unfortunately, both followed my suspicion and simultaneously voted accordingly! That would be strange and wonderful.

You're reaching.

Originally Posted by Sally

I'm sorry, why did you feel the need to point out a gifted hint again? What made you think that could possibly be a good idea?

A hunter hint. See the difference?

You're really, really reaching. Why?

Originally Posted by Sally

Of course now I'm not sure what to think of her exchange(s) with Dun. Her throwaway (and it was!) vote for him yesterDay was wasteful, even if she were innocent and thought him a wolf. I mean, really, thanks for not deciding to kill me, but what the heck?

Yeah, if you were paying attention, any vote at that point was a throwaway.
It's kind of like our elections: I know only a Democrat or a Republican will win (in my state, only a Democrat); I consider both choices worthless so I make a statement with my vote, though I know that person won't win. I know some people don't get that, but that's how I roll.

Originally Posted by Sally

If she's a wizard, she's clearly not afraid to vote for her mates, as she cast the first vote against McCaber on Day 1 (though Day 1 is always a bit with the random and it's entirely possible she didn't think he'd garner more votes).

When I'm a wolf I'm not. And if I had two of them blatantly following my lead like that, I might even do so out of annoyance. Do you really think that's what happened, though, Sally?

[satansaloser2005]

I don't care how you want to spin it, Rikae. Pressing for a lynch, then backing off and saying, "Hey, guys, why'd you do that?" is....oh, wait, isn't that kind of what Pom did on Day 1?

Whether or not Brinn dreamt of you is irrelevant, and I honestly don't know why you're bringing it up.

As for McCaber, I didn't say you nearly lynched him on purpose, or even that your guild mates followed, although I find it interesting that you bring that up when we already know it's not possible (given that, you know Pom didn't even vote for McCaber, and two of the other people who did are dead and now proven innocent, which just leaves Nog).

A hunter, like any other gifted, is best left in the shadows. I realize it's not as much of a risk as pointing out that you may who the ranger is, but that still doesn't make it a good idea. The wolves can base their plans on the disposition of the hunter, and I've seen it happen before, so I know how crucial it can be for the hunter to keep their identity a secret until either their death or a time of their own choosing. (Also, outing gifteds is a pet peeve of mine. It's not your role. You don't get to decide when they reveal it. Note it in your head, say maybe you just are misinterpreting something, put them on a trusted list, whatever, but never assume that they want to be pointed at.)

You actually have a good point about your vote on Dun. I keep forgetting that the first to a tie dies. I apologize.

That said, my comment on your attitude toDay regarding the lynch still stands. I believe that you thought the lynch was a wizard plot, but I also believe you could have kept your distance to keep yourself from being implicated, not because you didn't want Morsul dead.

You're allowed to defend yourself, but I'm still allowed to think suspicious behavior is suspicious. It's sort of part of the game.

[Rikae]

About Inzil... I mean, he's mad about me supposedly saying the Morsul voters had tunnel vision - why does he feel accused in that way? I never said that.
I saw several people zeroing in at once on what would be an easy lynch and without much reason. How my vote, the first of the day, for someone no one else seems to have a problem with, is anything like that is beyond me.
If he was an innocent who felt there were good reasons for voting Morsul, why jump like that?
No one listened to me yesterDay. In fact, I have a feeling people generally don't listen to me: that I'm one of those players people write off as "crazy" and unable to produce sense. When people do listen to me, those people are almost invariably evil.
Sorry, don't mean to sound so whiny.

EDIT: X'd with Sally.