WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

We're trolls! We don't need pockets or purses. We just steals what we need or scare people into giving it to us. Purses! Pockets! Who ever heard of such a thing?

You're an odd troll, you are.

An' yer a lout, Sal Huggins! Yer 'ole 'ead must be solid stone! 'Ow are we to know when burrahobbits an' the like is pickin' our pockets of our magic purses if we don't have pockets to pick, nor yet magic purses to squawk about it?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

An' yer a lout, Sal Huggins! Yer 'ole 'ead must be solid stone! 'Ow are we to know when burrahobbits an' the like is pickin' our pockets of our magic purses if we don't have pockets to pick, nor yet magic purses to squawk about it?

If you don't have pockets, no one can pick them. Quite simple, really. Although it were nice of you to say my head was made of stone. Thank ye.

[Coppermirror]

It's all gone quiet!

See, Brin, you're right as right can be, and we have to catch them wizzards quick. But how are we goin' to do this? There's more of us than any can count.

We need...a plan. We need to out-tricksy wizzards, who are very tricksy accordin' to all.

So let's see what plans we've got so far.

Vol: wants to lick us all, to taste test.
Pom: thinks maybe Leg an' Lom were wizers.
Oz: wants us to try poses out an' says the one who can do it is a wizer.
Rick: wants to lynch Lad...Why's that, Rick?
Gil: wants us all to talk, so's his nose can sniff out the wizers.
Sal: wants us to hold up our feet, so's we can see the wizer's shoes.
Cop: wants us to look fer tricksy wizards by their actions...but changed her mind and wants us to out-tricksy the wizards instead. Hey, that's me. My head still aches.

An' nobody aside from those seems to have a plan in their head.

I'm out of ideas, I am.

[Brinniel]

Pom, McCaber, and Morsul probably gave the most substantial posts early in the Day. Not a lot of substance, but I'll give them points for the effort.

I hate the first Day because it's always the easiest Day for the baddies to hide. We're starting from scratch which means we can typically only identify suspicious behavior in subtleties, and even that can be easily misinterpreted.

As for all the banter- I don't see a problem with some banter; that's part of the fun of Day 1. But when banter goes on and on for several posts without any substance in between, that is a problem. Now, I've seen innocents get a little too carried away with IC posts, but I have also seen baddies use the IC banter as a distraction.

Surely I'm not the only one who will vote early. I'm curious to see how spread out the voting will end up (in timing). Now I know how we all love to wait until the end, but hopefully it won't come to a dozen votes in the final minute...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Pom, McCaber, and Morsul probably gave the most substantial posts early in the Day. Not a lot of substance, but I'll give them points for the effort.

I hate the first Day because it's always the easiest Day for the baddies to hide. We're starting from scratch which means we can typically only identify suspicious behavior in subtleties, and even that can be easily misinterpreted.

As for all the banter- I don't see a problem with some banter; that's part of the fun of Day 1. But when banter goes on and on for several posts without any substance in between, that is a problem. Now, I've seen innocents get a little too carried away with IC posts, but I have also seen baddies use the IC banter as a distraction.

Fair enough, I think we were all getting a bit carried away. As our mods pointed out, it's not often one can be a troll here.

Well, One thing I'm curious about is why Morsul (#24) saw Kath's references to singing and The Wizard of Oz (#5,#13) as possible cobbler-hints.

[Volo]

McCaber, your use of suspicious in post #29 felt somewhat exaggerated. Or was it all just observations on humorous exchanges? Or some as actual interpretations of suspicion?

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Volo

McCaber, your use of suspicious in post #29 felt somewhat exaggerated. Or was it all just observations on humorous exchanges? Or some as actual interpretations of suspicion?

Some was exaggerated in jest, like my comment on Nerwen. Some was more serious, like Kath. It depends on the context of the posts I was commenting on. Remember, I only had like 20 posts to go on at that stage.

Right now I like CM the least for spinning out two early IC posts into a vote and totally ignoring all the other bits of IC from everyone else.

EDIT: X'd with Pom and Rikae. Great minds thinking alike?

[Pomegranate]

Vaguely confused about Nog citing a wrong number of Wizards in his wee poem-remake. We are dealing with four Wizards, and I'd like to think that Nog would be a person to check the rules before he starts the game, unless he's trying, by the seeming ignorance, to make us think that he must be innocent. Then again, it's hard for me to think that he'd be a player to use such a strategy. Don't know what to think, so I'll just inform: Nog, four Wizards and a cobbler.

[Nogrod]

Just popping in with two short remarks before (sadly) going back to work for a while yet...

It is interesting how suspicions: going after them and suddenly disregarding them go in a kind of waves. And I do think that is natural, for people tend to notice things others are talking about and disregard things others don't. So from Gil vs. Nerwen we are now going to Copper.

Saying that I'm just stating the obvious anyone can see from the thread: suspicions lead to more suspicions until some say that it is stupid (or suspicious) to suspect only that / those and soon the next target is found, and suspicions feed into more suspicions for the next one.

Which means not defending or suspecting Cop at the moment...


On another note. What my experience tells me, the wolves... erm... the Wizards rarely stir suspicion or try to be controversial on D1. Well, they can do that, but the safest way for them to duck a random execution on D1 is to stay either low or be very agreeable or fun.

So let's also keep an eye on those who hold their horses and only have nice things to say about other players.

EDIT: X'd with Pom & Sally

[Coppermirror]

Okay, I have to vote immediately, and it's better to vote than not to vote at all. So: ++Boromir. Reasons: gut feeling, and the fact his only two comments had little content. (Downside to this: it's reasonable to assume that he'll post more later, so I can't take the latter into consideration too much.)

And before posting I've seen Nerwen's comment. Just a sec...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

How are you getting even a gut-feeling out of that? Is it the talk of eating us?

No, it's not the talk of eating us. I can't even quite put my finger on why. But it's down to Boro, a random vote, or abstaining from voting right now, so Boro it is. I'm aware that it's not the best reasoning.

I won't be back before the deadline, so this is it from me for today.

[Bane Mantra]

Is I the only one oo's been finkin' tonight? Everybody knows that wizzards have beards, lads and laddesses. So that's what we've gots ter do, find a troll wiv facial hair and squash 'im (or 'er, fair is fair) into jelly ter spread on some nice, maggoty bread!

Wha'ever would ye lads and laddesses do wiv'out ther cleverest troll, ole Bane, innit?

Anyhow, I'm having problems gauging wizardly magickality through trollish banter and my already-established newness. In my limited experience, more posts are subconsciously associated with innocence on Day (erm, Night) 1, but suffice to say that I'm not going to rely on a generalization for a vote.

[Nerwen]

Blimey! Bane's showed 'is ugly mug at last! Didn't I 'ear 'im a-braggin' of 'ow 'e were part ti... something... ti-tan-ee-yum, that were it! I arks yers all, what sort of constitushoolin is that fer an honest stone-troll?

[Nerwen]

Morsul- I see what you mean now. Thin, but possible.

[Rikae]

The only thing more useless than banter is recap of banter. I've never played with Copper before, but I have played with many a wolf (or wizard) who made long, detailed, organized posts with little content. I have a bad feeling about it.

Who was it who asked me why I suspected Zil? I suspect him because I always suspect him, simple as that. He's distracting, hanging around looking evil all the time. I want to lynch him so I don't have to worry about it.

[Brinniel]

Okay, so I kinda overslept, so I don't have much time.

So far I'm feeling good about Rikae. She seems the most genuine at least. Pom seems okay as well, for now.

I don't like Copper's vote because Boro has hardly said anything and I don't know how she can get a gut feeling about him based on those posts. I'd hold off on voting her toDay though, because I haven't played with Copper before and don't know her playing style.

Morsul votes Kath based on some weak cobbler suspicions. But wouldn't it be better to vote for a suspected wizard? But I'll let it pass, since in his defense there is so little to go on right now.

I don't like all of Sally's bantering, but then again it is Sally.

My vote toDay will be:

++Nerwen

While I don't feel terribly confident in my vote, she has displayed the most suspicious behavior to me so far. By suspicious, I refer to excessive bantering combined with picking up on comments that she could later use as reasons for an easy lynch (like Morsul's comment on Kath). I realize it's weak reasoning, but there's really not much else to go on and I do generally tend to be pretty wary about Nerwen anyway.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

[LEFT]The only thing more useless than banter is recap of banter. I've never played with Copper before, but I have played with many a wolf (or wizard) who made long, detailed, organized posts with little content. I have a bad feeling about it.

I don't like it either- however, I have played with her before, and she tends to do this regardless. Though there was rather more of it the time she was a wolf than the times she was innocent.
Edit:x'd with horrible evil Brinniel.

[Ozban]

Yawn! Good aftermidnight everyone.

So the first votes had been cast. Kat 'n' Bore.

Just few thoughts on our lot.

Lad - I'm very suspicous of him. He's mesmerizing, guesome ... spectre-like... (don't take this bad, but personal it is. You butchered me horribly on my first game.)

Nog - Pretty much same as Lad and for those exact reasons. But I'll agree about his logical thinking, could be a great asset.

Kat - Don't know if we ever played together, but i'm mildly concerned about her. Just a gut feeling.

Bore - I see his posts as IC only, nothing bad.

Mors - Really active, might be just his style, might be trying to confuse us newcomers.

Nerve - Somehow unnerving, don't know why.

Sal's and Cop's discussion is not really important in my view.

Then there are those silent ones, which I don't like much.

No significant thoughts on the rest

Let's see how the rest of day goes. But I'm probably not voting soon, still not nearly enough to decide, but perhaps there never will be on day1.

[Thinlómien]

Coppermirror and Morsul's votes do count, but please next time post the votes on a separate line. Highlighting is optional.

[Coppermirror]

Votes from yesterDay:

Copper -> Boro
Morsul -> Kath
Brinniel -> Nerwen
Gil -> Nerwen (2)
McCaber -> Copper
Pom ->Copper (2)
Rikae ->McCaber
Greenie -> McCaber (2)
Inzil -> Pom
Ozban -> McCaber (3)
Loslote -> Pom (2)
Boro -> Copper (3)
Volo -> Nerwen (3)
Sally -> Pom (3)
4-way tie on 3 votes
Shasta -> Pom(4)
Nog -> McCaber(4)

Did not vote: Bane, Kath, Nerwen.
Did not post: nobody.

So that's quite an interesting voting situation, with only two people voting outside 4 main candidates. (And those two voters, Morsul and myself, were the first two voters.) I have the impression that the Nerwen voters may be going under the radar after Pom's mistake (which is connected to the other two candidates yesterDay) so I'll pay some extra attention to them later.

Originally Posted by McCaber

If we're accepting that as evidence, I don't know either Pom's or Cop's pronouns of choice. It made writing some of my earlier posts rather difficult, I can tell you.

I'm a she, and I think the same goes for Pom, but I could be mistaken.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Really? Mightn't she have thought that because of the same things that made various other players see you as suspicious?

I don't see what kind of benefit a cobbler would get out of a vote like that one, although if you think otherwise then perhaps Pom might have thought so too. But I do think it's unlikely she did. Pom wrote a whole paragraph about my vote in her post #92 as set-up, then voted at #102 while saying that she had to leave now. She must have done that without thinking there was anything cobblerish there...but then she notices something back in my posts and changes her mind, right after her vote crosses with McCaber? I reckon that if thinking I could be a cobbler was her reason, she would already have considered it beforehand.

Since Pom was reasonably active yesterDay and nobody seemed to really suspect her before her slip up, analysing her and the way people interacted with her could be fruitful, so I'm going to write an analysis on her next.