WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Good glory, is there any purpose to this first day at all, besides bantering, teasing, and otherwise killing time?

If you find a purpose for day one other than what you mentioned you will have to share.

So far I got a whole lot of nothing.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Of course, making a high-profile player like Phantom the centre of chat and attention is an excellent tactic for others to divert attention away from themselves.
Well, of the Great Ones that have so far spoken, many seem to have taken too freely of Ganymede's cups - but still, these are times of confusion and chaos not seen for many an age, so perhaps we can excuse ourselves. And to add to the chaos, no-one, save one, is 'innocent' in the sense of being exactly what they seem. Some are already grouped and paired and so know more than others, others are searching for mates.

Doesn't to me - particularly as Zeus himself is not whole-heartedly allied to the village.

Is he allied to the village at all? Can he win without Hera?

Originally Posted by autume98

If you find a purpose for day one other than what you mentioned you will have to share.

What I said.

EDIT:X'd since tum at #43.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Is he (Zeus) allied to the village at all? Can he win without Hera?

If Hera dies, then isn't he at that point on the side of the village, as he is a non-WW who can only live if the village triumphs? And that goes for the other non-WW lovers too, yes?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If Hera dies, then isn't he at that point on the side of the village, as he is a non-WW who can only live if the village triumphs? And that goes for the other non-WW lovers too, yes?

Well, I'd hope so, but some people will have it that a surviving Lover has automatically lost anyway. In this game, it makes a whopping big difference to the dynamics whether that's so or not.

(Maybe we need to clarify that point in the General Rules thread?)

EDIT:X'd with Kath.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, I'd hope so, but some people will have it that a surviving Lover has automatically lost anyway. In this game, it makes a whopping big difference to the dynamics whether that's so or not.

Well, if their lover dies they can no longer win as a "lover", so sure, I guess technically they could do whatever they pleased after that (use their revenge kill on themself even). But really, I don't think that's proper.

Think of it this way- Romeo and Juliet... Juliet dies, so now where are Romeo's loyalties supposing he doesn't kill himself? Does the fact that he used to be with a Capulet make him side with them forever against the family he came from? I think not. First loyalty is to Juliet, second is to his family, thus with her gone...

Agreed?

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Think of it this way- Romeo and Juliet... Juliet dies, so now where are Romeo's loyalties supposing he doesn't kill himself? Does the fact that he used to be with a Capulet make him side with them forever against the family he came from? I think not. First loyalty is to Juliet, second is to his family, thus with her gone...

Agreed?

Agreed.

Wait. I just agreed with phantom. There is clearly something topsy turvy about the world today.

I need to go ponder that fact (aka go to work).

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Think of it this way- Romeo and Juliet... Juliet dies, so now where are Romeo's loyalties supposing he doesn't kill himself? Does the fact that he used to be with a Capulet make him side with them forever against the family he came from? I think not. First loyalty is to Juliet, second is to his family, thus with her gone...

Agreed?

No, because Romeo died first, for real.

[the phantom]

I only used the names Romeo and Juliet due to the family ties and lover status, Folwren- the scenario wasn't meant to be strictly accurate to the original tale, particularly since I had the Zeus-Hera pairing in mind (that's what spurred the discussion) and as the male in that pairing is the "innocent" one the scenario I drew up made more sense with the female Juliet dying first.