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Loslote · 06-01-2010, 10:00 PM

That's what I would think, but I'm no expert - just look at my name! (Half Quenya, half Sindarin by accident.

) Actually, do you want of THE Lord, or just A Lord? If THE Lord, you'd need "Hin i Heru".

igorus · 06-01-2010, 10:06 PM

Well, I'm basing it mostly on the Quenya index in the back of the Silmarillion. There, it says that "Children of Eru" is "Eruhini" so just by logical deduction, I figured that "Child of (the) Lord" would be "heruhin". But if you say so..
What is the difference between a lord and the Lord, grammatically?

btw, thank you for the speedy reply.

Loslote · 06-01-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by igorus

Well, I'm basing it mostly on the Quenya index in the back of the Silmarillion. There, it says that "Children of Eru" is "Eruhini" so just by logical deduction, I figured that "Child of (the) Lord" would be "heruhin". But if you say so..
What is the difference between a lord and the Lord, grammatically?

btw, thank you for the speedy reply.

"lord" is the general term, used to describe any lord. The Lord is specific - it describes one lord in particular - and a single "i" is used to indicate "the" in Quenya. An example of this is "Narn i Hin Hurin", the tale of the Children of Hurin.

igorus · 06-01-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

"lord" is the general term, used to describe any lord. The Lord is specific - it describes one lord in particular - and a single "i" is used to indicate "the" in Quenya. An example of this is "Narn i Hin Hurin", the tale of the Children of Hurin.

So, taking the "i Hin Hurin" part and replacing Hurin with Heru, you would get Children of the Lord". This makes total sense. So, how would I make this plural "Children" and make it a singular "child"?

Loslote · 06-01-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by igorus

So, taking the "i Hin Hurin" part and replacing Hurin with Heru, you would get Children of the Lord". This makes total sense. So, how would I make this plural "Children" and make it a singular "child"?

That's the bit I'm not certain about. Usually adding "i" to the end of a word makes it plural, but this has the plural as being "hin" not "hini"...I think the singular is "hin".

igorus · 06-01-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

That's the bit I'm not certain about. Usually adding "i" to the end of a word makes it plural, but this has the plural as being "hin" not "hini"...I think the singular is "hin".

That is what I thought, because is the Silmarillion index it lists Children of Eru as Eruhini.. so hin would be the logical singular form.

Well, I think that just about covers it. Thank you so much for your help, Loslote!

igorus · 06-01-2010, 10:52 PM

Ah, by the way. It is actually called "Narn i Chîn Húrin" and it is Sindarin, I guess. That would be the source of our confusion I'm guessing.

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06-01-2010, 10:06 PM	#2
igorus Newly Deceased Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 7	Well, I'm basing it mostly on the Quenya index in the back of the Silmarillion. There, it says that "Children of Eru" is "Eruhini" so just by logical deduction, I figured that "Child of (the) Lord" would be "heruhin". But if you say so.. What is the difference between a lord and the Lord, grammatically? btw, thank you for the speedy reply.

06-01-2010, 10:52 PM	#7
igorus Newly Deceased Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 7	Ah, by the way. It is actually called "Narn i Chîn Húrin" and it is Sindarin, I guess. That would be the source of our confusion I'm guessing.