WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Alright, can I just say that Brinn isn't the only one who is really bothered by winty's fly-by voting?

Back with more a bit later, probably on Legate/Nerwen/Agan or thereabouts. I really don't think we can afford to keep ignoring winty for long, though.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Agreed about WW; he's getting rather worrisome.

But what are you two actually agreeing about? As I've said already said, it's kind of late in the game for a "just-in-case" lynch. This is probably the last Day we could lynch him to see what he is... and look how well that's been working.

EDIT:X'd with two Legates.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Me

–Now, why does that entire post of Legate's give me a bad feeling?

To answer my own question:

I think it's because, with 20/20 hindsight, that was quite an obvious slip on the part of our Ranger. My feeling is that an innocent's reaction would be to say, "Oh yes, that must be it," or at least "I wouldn't be surprised", whereas when you're a wolf and have eaten someone for what were to you perfectly sound and logical reason, the theories the villagers come up with often seem completely out the window.

With that in mind, Legate's last couple of posts could fit the pattern of a Legwolf going "Huh?" at the "outlandish" motives I'd ascribed to him, then realising it was actually in his best interests to play along.

Of course this is all extremely subjective and depends entirely on assumptions about how people would act, whether the Cursed has been found or not, etc. So I'm not claiming it's a particularly useful observation, or anything.

EDIT: IMPORTANT THIS POST WAS MADE AFTER LEGATE's AT #916. CANNOT EXPLAIN THIS!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Whether what I've suggested was, in fact the lupine motivation for killing Skip I couldn't say. However, I don't see why you call it "far fetched" or "complicated", Legate. As I said, the wolf would have been looking for slips like that.

Well, it just seemed to me far-fetched, but as you see, now that I have looked at skip's posts myself, I don't find it so far-fetched anymore. It was rather that it seemed like rather random comments, but now seeing that it was basically all that skip said yesterDay, I could very well imagine a Wolf spotting him, if he/she was paying attention to looking for the Ranger (which probably is a thing a Wolf would do).

[Aganzir]

Just popping in quickly between two classes...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I can see a way Team Evil might have picked him out.

Hmm I assume that's possible... But would it be enough to make them attack him instead of a sure kill, assuming he had protected somebody? After all he could've ignored the chance of your being a ranger just because he was a newbie, not because he was the ranger himself.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

By the way, it says in the rules that the Ranger can self-protect once

Originally, it did. However in the updated rules it was changed. Thanks to me I guess, sorry skip!

1 Ranger: can’t protect the same person 2 Nights in a row, and cannot protect themselves.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes, but since you've been a major exponent of the "good voting is really bad voting" school, wouldn't an Aganwolf want to vote badly?

Haha I might try that some time I'm a wolf... But all in all it's generally too risky. And good voting is not always bad voting, it depends on the person and their reasons for voting a wolf.

Originally Posted by Legate

Would the Seer see the Cursed as innocent?

Yes, as it reads in the rules. And I suppose it's also possible skip was killed, well, for being innocent-looking enough.

Originally Posted by Legate

whether Nerwolf would be so bold to share such a reasoning with people so merrily if it was what she did

Yeah she would... But she would do it as innocent too so it doesn't really tell us anything about her role.

Nerwen has been looking rather innocent today but I'm not convinced of her innocence... She if anybody could pull it off.

And yeah I don't want to push anybody, but if the Unicorn came out we'd have two known innocents and fewer potential wolves...

Okie dokie class time for me.

[Aganzir]

I will be here for the next half an hour or so... but it might well be the last you hear from me today because I'm seeing a friend after that and a) she might kill me if I tried to play werewolf and b) her net connection is extremely bad.

And just in case I don't get back I should probably vote soon, which I don't like at all.

Anybody around?

[Thinlómien]

As for Skip, well, I must admit my theory regarding the ranger save was stupid, I'm sorry I didn't think it through. The evidence indeed points to the cursed being turned, which is something I don't like at all. Or the wolf could've missed a kill (especially if it's Nerwen the infamous DL-misser ).

As for her, I don't like her commentary on Skip's death at all. She even herself said a wolf would pay attention to such stuff, and that's exactly what she did. It just seems too far-fetchedly precise to be innocent.

And Agan, don't try to convince me you would certainly have a different voting record as a wolf. I don't doubt your ability to throw your fellows under the bus, but I also know that you are one to make risky moves - and not voting Sally or Glirdan would be one.

There's something eerie about Legate's few recent posts. He doesn't even bother to acknowledge the points against him, and he uses his time in looking at Skip's posts and basically saying nothing about them... Don't like it at all.

I'm here for a while now and I will come back for a short second later although I really should be sleeping then...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And Agan, don't try to convince me you would certainly have a different voting record as a wolf. I don't doubt your ability to throw your fellows under the bus, but I also know that you are one to make risky moves - and not voting Sally or Glirdan would be one.

I know there's no use trying, you'll see when I die or the game is over, but you can ask yourself anyway why Aganwolf would incriminate herself by not suspecting sally and Glirdan, of all people.

It's just that you suspect me for something Aganwolf is very unlikely to do, saying "she could be appearing dumb on purpose to make herself look more innocent," so basically you've decided I'm suspicious and how I act doesn't matter in the least because either way you could accuse me. And that's either stupid or a very convenient wolf plan.

[Thinlómien]

I wouldn't say dumb. What's dumb about helping your fellows? I know not wolf-on-wolfing may be regarded dumb by some, but I personally disagree. The times I have won as a wolf were the ones when me and my fellows stuck together, not when we voted each other. The profits of wolf-on-wolfing are generally overestimated - look at Nerwen here, half the village suspects her even though she voted all the known wolves. Of course, some wolf-on-wolf votes look very innocent, but they're the ones that are so risky 90% wolves wouldn't make them.

And it's not just that your voting record is eyeborw-raising but what you yourself said: a to-die Nog wolf could/would have made sure his fellow looks good and votes him, and you happen to be one of the few living players whose first vote on a wolf was on that said Day.

Lastly, with maybe the exception of Legate, we only have people whose voting record is quite off (you, Shasta) or very precise (me, Nerwen, Brinn) and I've got to suspect somebody. (Winty not included 'cos I don't remember his votes. ) You just happen to creep me out, and I was trying to think if Aganwolf would've voted like you have, and I concluded that she could have.

Although, if it helps, your obvious dislike of people referring to your not very wolf-full voting record kind of speaks for your innocence.

Gotta run as soon as I finish eating! I'll be back.


edit: xed with Agan

[Aganzir]

I'm trying to decide whether I should stick with my earlier suspicions (I have bad experiences of letting go of pursuing a wolf because they began to look more innocent) or vote for somebody who I haven't been suspicious of before (mainly Lommy but also Legate & Brinn, to an extent)...

Heck this is so frustrating.

As for winty, I think it's better to ignore him, regardless of his role, until he starts to post more. And if somebody tries to lynch him today "just to be on the safe side," they are either wolves or stupid. Because we just can't afford to check people out, at least as long as we don't know if there's one or two wolves.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think I might vote and go soon. I have been waking up early today and I'm already getting slightly tired. If I knew when exactly is Lommy going to return, I would wait at least for her or somebody to post before I go to sleep, but this way I might just call it off...

After recent posts of Nerwen, I will be even more inclined to vote Agan than her, because Agan now seems like a more likely Wolf to me. She has just reached the limit of my suspicions and she behaves especially toDay a bit more careful than I think she has before. (It might be that it seems to me because the arguing has been reduced, but still it's there.) Of course especially for a lonely Aganwolf or an Aganwolf with a well-hidden packmate it will be rather easy and merry environment to move in, I am sure. She also seems to be opening herself slowly to new things and in general sort of having the back door (for the case if Nerwen is lynched and innocent?), like in the post where she lists some people, or here:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm trying to decide whether I should stick with my earlier suspicions (I have bad experiences of letting go of pursuing a wolf because they began to look more innocent) or vote for somebody who I haven't been suspicious of before (mainly Lommy but also Legate & Brinn, to an extent)...

Heck this is so frustrating.

That "frustrating" part also makes me wonder if it's genuine. I am just now getting this creepy picture of Aganwolf into my head. In either case, even if we have a Cursed, I find it extremely unlikely that both of Aganzir and Nerwen are Wolves. I would right now say that Agan is a bit, little tiny bit, higher than Nerwen - probably by that one post made by Nerwen a while ago - in my suspicions.

Of course I can sympathise with Brinn's feelings concerning having Nerwen haunting the place around, however, if this was the last Day and I was to decide right now, like "put your bets on one person", then I would say Agan.

Okay. Let me think about it for a while yet, let's see if anybody posts or posted, and then I will just vote. Urgh.

[wilwarin538]

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Alirin did trot along the way,
Hoping to find escadom
From this torribly long day,
Or atleast this deadful kingdom.

Then she saw the Jabberwock,
And the beast made her afeared.
She sooked about but stopped her walk,
When the vorpal sword appeared.

She took the vorpal sword in hand:
Though the skill she'd ne’er been taught—
So rested she by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought she stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

“I am a Culf and the Worsed,
Though I have not been for long!”
The Jabberwocky loudly versed,
As he proudly sang it like a song!

“I cannot pass this dreadful beast,
And I have not the skills to slay,
But I just cannot become it’s feast,
So to slay it is the only way!"

One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
She left it dead, and left its head
And went galumphing back.

“O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
I slew the Jabberwock!”
The girl did skip and sing away,
As she continued on her walk.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Dead
Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1
Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2
Sally - the Dormouse - Wolf - lynched Day 2
Izzy - White Rabbit - Ordinary - killed Night 3
Glirdan - Mad Hatter - Wolf - lynched Day 3
Greenie - White Night - Seer - killed Night 4
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat – Wolf – lynched Day 4
Nienna - White Queen - Hunter - killed Night 5
Inzil - King of Hearts - Ordinary - hunter killed Night 5
Morsul - Mock Turtle - Ordinary - lynched Day 5
Mira - March Hare - Ordinary - lynched Day 6
Skip - Humpty Dumpty - Ranger - killed Night 7
Legate - Jabberwocky - Cursed-Wolf - lynched Day 7

Alive
Wintywinty – Tweedledum
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Lottie – Duchess
Nerwen – the Dodo
Lommy – the Gryphon
Brinniel – Tweedledee

It is still Night 8.

[wilwarin538]

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Alirin continued walking yet again, feeling rather proud about her triumph over the dread Jabberwocky. Soon she came upon a fork in the road with two signs, one that said “To the house of Tweedledee” and the other said “To Tweedledum’s house”. The odd thing was that they were both pointing in the same direction.

Alirin decided to follow the signs and soon came upon two fat little men, each with an arm around the other’s neck. One had DEE written on his collar, and the other had DUM. They were standing completely still, so Alirin just stood in front of them and waited.

“If you think we’re wax works, you ought to pay you know,” Dum said, “Wax-works weren’t made to be looked at for nothing, nohow!”

“Contrariwise,” added Dee, “if you think we’re alive you ought to speak.”

“I’m sure I must be very sorry,” Alirin said, as she thought about the old poem.

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.

Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

“I know what you’re thinking about,” said Dum,”but it isn’t so, nohow.”

“Contrariwise,” said Dee, “if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s logic.”

The three stood for a moment just looking around at each other.

“Do you see that?” Dum suddenly said, in a voice choking with passion as he pointed with a trembling finger at a small white thing lying under a tree.

“It's only a rattle,” Alirin said, after a careful examination of the little white thing. “quite old and broken.''

“I knew it was!” cried Tweedledum, beginning to stamp about wildly and tear his hair. “It's spoilt, of course!” Here he looked at Tweedledee, who immediately sat down on the ground, and tried to hide himself under a shrubbery.

Alice laid her hand upon Dum’s arm, and said in a soothing tone, “You needn't be so angry about an old rattle.”

“But it isn't old!” Dum cried, in a greater fury than ever. “It's new, I tell you -- I bought it yesterday -- my nice NEW RATTLE!” and his voice rose to a perfect scream. Alirin quickly covered her ears as Dee crawled even further under the shrubbery.

“Of course you agree to have a battle?” Dum said in a calmer tone.

“I suppose so,” the other sulkily replied, as he crawled out of the shrub.
The two ran off and came back about three minutes later wearing full armour made out of table clothes, blankets and towels, and saucepans for helmets.

"Let's fight till six, and then have dinner," said Tweedledum.

"Very well," the other said, rather sadly: "and she can watch us -- only you'd better not come very close," he added: "I generally hit everything I can see -- when I get really excited."

"And I hit everything within reach," cried Tweedledum, "whether I can see it or not!"

As the two got ready to fight it suddenly became very dark. Alirin looked around and saw that there was a giant crow coming straight at them! Dee was able to take cover in time, but Dum could not escape and was taken up by the giant crow. Alirin hid under a tree and waited until it was out of sight, and by the time she got out of her cover Tweedledee was nowhere to be seen, and Tweedledum was off somewhere with the crow.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Dead
Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1
Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2
Sally - the Dormouse - Wolf - lynched Day 2
Izzy - White Rabbit - Ordinary - killed Night 3
Glirdan - Mad Hatter - Wolf - lynched Day 3
Greenie - White Night - Seer - killed Night 4
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat – Wolf – lynched Day 4
Nienna - White Queen - Hunter - killed Night 5
Inzil - King of Hearts - Ordinary - hunter killed Night 5
Morsul - Mock Turtle - Ordinary - lynched Day 5
Mira - March Hare - Ordinary - lynched Day 6
Skip - Humpty Dumpty - Ranger - killed Night 7
Legate - Jabberwocky - Cursed-Wolf - lynched Day 7
Wintywinty - Tweedledum - Ordinary - killed Night 8

Alive
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Lottie – Duchess
Nerwen – the Dodo
Lommy – the Gryphon
Brinniel – Tweedledee

It is now Day 8.

[Aganzir]

I'm afraid Brinn is a wolf and playing along with my suspicion of Nerwen.

I'm also afraid Nerwen is a wolf who has really pulled herself together and is now making up for appearing even the least bit suspicious earlier.

I'm afraid Lommy is the cursed. She kept looking very innocent and making sense to me up until yesterday. Maybe it has to do with the fact that she started suspecting me, with reasons I find silly. Or because she's been going along with "it's either Agan or Nerwen and if one is innocent I'll go after the other," which feels way too simple now that I'm having doubts aboutNerwen myself.

And I'm afraid Shasta is a wolf slipping under everybody's radar. Gosh that would be beautiful...

Legate writes too long paragraphs which means his posts aren't nice to read! And yes before you ask I'm worried about him too, mainly because he feels much sloppier and, frankly, dumber than I remember him to be. If there were any weird new roles I'd be sure he had one (and no Unicorn doesn't count).

Originally Posted by Lommy

Wow that was pretty drastic... now I really wonder... (not about Skip though!)

What were you wondering?

Nerwen, why don't you suspect me? This is a weird question, I know, but I'm curious.

Garr I don't have time the day time is needed...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What were you wondering?

Whether I should use the opportunity and vote you or stick to my planned vote of Nerwen. Obviously, I made the wrong choice - we could've got Nerwen lynched yesterDay and either the game would be over or we'd be one wolf down or we at least wouldn't need to waste a third Day in a row wondering about her (I know we are not forced to do it but at least I'm just stuck with it until she dies or starts seeming very innocent for some reason).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

There's something eerie about Legate's few recent posts. He doesn't even bother to acknowledge the points against him, and he uses his time in looking at Skip's posts and basically saying nothing about them... Don't like it at all.

Well I wanted to post just my initial thoughts at the moment and then after doing some work, and hopefully also when others have posted too, post more. Anyway, as for points against me, there has been only very general "he is suspicious" by Loslote with no particular evidence to respond to or the "evidence" is so subjective that it can be hardly commented on. That said, Lottie, that's basically what I can say to your case - whereas in any case I would warn you (although maybe it should be somebody else to tell you so as you might not take me seriously after building the case) not to get too enthusiastic about pursuing some lynch just because you suddenly get a brilliant idea - we've seen this many times.

Okay, and actually looking back, only now have I noticed this post of Nerwen's:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

To answer my own question:

I think it's because, with 20/20 hindsight, that was quite an obvious slip on the part of our Ranger. My feeling is that an innocent's reaction would be to say, "Oh yes, that must be it," or at least "I wouldn't be surprised", whereas when you're a wolf and have eaten someone for what were to you perfectly sound and logical reason, the theories the villagers come up with often seem completely out the window.

With that in mind, Legate's last couple of posts could fit the pattern of a Legwolf going "Huh?" at the "outlandish" motives I'd ascribed to him, then realising it was actually in his best interests to play along.

Of course this is all extremely subjective and depends entirely on assumptions about how people would act, whether the Cursed has been found or not, etc. So I'm not claiming it's a particularly useful observation, or anything.

EDIT: IMPORTANT THIS POST WAS MADE AFTER LEGATE's AT #916. CANNOT EXPLAIN THIS!

Indeed! As I didn't see this post either, so I assume it had to be ABOVE my post. I am pretty certain though that when I was quoting Nerwen (my 917 below), there has been only my post 916 and her post which I am quoting in there... which actually... HEY? WHERE IS IT??? Where did it go?? THAT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE!

Did you edit your post, Nerwen????? Or what???? (And for that matter, I haven't seen her current 914 either! None of the two posts up there, 914 or 915! And where did that one I quoted go???)

Eurgh, totally weird. But I have basically replied to this - why I thought it farfetched and then after reviewing it not - (in the post where I quoted Nerwen's original 914 question which later disappeared), so there is no reason to start about that again.

EDIT: x-ed with Agan

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I have once again somewhat double-feeling about Agan from the last posts. Generally, I think it looks in some way innocent, in the way she acts, like that she will be subtly rousing more suspicion against Lommy or something had she been a Wolf. On the other hand, maybe she's just sort of "in defense" and making a "passive resistence" (in such a case, however, one would wonder what she would do, as a Wolf, if Nerwen was lynched and innocent. On the other hand, she might probably find another lynch target). Okay, the post where she sort of "half-joke" (well, it's not like a joke, but it is in a bit of a light tone, it seems to me) suspects practically everybody, could be seen as a basis for eventually developing a serious suspicion for somebody of those listed later, but it's a bit too obvious or bold, sort of... on the other hand, okay, at least the second word in connection to Aganzir does not help much. But basically... okay, maybe if I think about the kills... I wonder whether Aganwolf wouldn't be a bit more daring in killing people; on the other hand, if there have been other packmembers until quite recently and now maybe... hmm, well, maybe if she was just looking for the Cursed among the quieter people? (And possibly for Ranger toNight, which could be related to her dismissing that idea now - although again, not sure if it will be of much good to her, wouldn't it be better just to stay put?)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Did you edit your post, Nerwen????? Or what???? (And for that matter, I haven't seen her current 914 either! None of the two posts up there, 914 or 915! And where did that one I quoted go???)

By the way, note - it occured to me: didn't you by any chance edit your post instead of quoting mine or instead of posting a new one or something like that... because that's the only logical explanation I can come up with (like, that would explain why your post is missing there - you have "overwritten" it with this one, which would explain why it is before, and not after my post).

Whatever... is anybody else around?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Indeed! As I didn't see this post either, so I assume it had to be ABOVE my post. I am pretty certain though that when I was quoting Nerwen (my 917 below), there has been only my post 916 and her post which I am quoting in there... which actually... HEY? WHERE IS IT??? Where did it go?? THAT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE!

Did you edit your post, Nerwen????? Or what???? (And for that matter, I haven't seen her current 914 either! None of the two posts up there, 914 or 915! And where did that one I quoted go???)

No, I didn't edit my post (except to make a note of what had happened). I just replied to yours as usual.

I have met this phenomenon of posts suddenly appearing in the wrong place before, on other sites, but this is the first time I've seen it here.

EDIT: punctuation.

[Nerwen]

Oh, and one of my posts has indeed disappeared– didn't notice before. I quoted from it too. The only thing I can think of is that I might have accidentally hit "delete" in the process– but wouldn't that be marked as a deleted post?

The site went down for a while not long after that– may have something to do with it.

EDIT:Added remark.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Agan

Anyway Lommy's logic that my "horrible voting record isn't very convincing" is downright lousy, she KNOWS that if I was a wolf I would've done much better at spotting my fellows.

I don't like that you're using this as proof of your innocence, Agan, especially since it's something that can't be proven.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But what are you two actually agreeing about? As I've said already said, it's kind of late in the game for a "just-in-case" lynch. This is probably the last Day we could lynch him to see what he is... and look how well that's been working.

My point was that, if winty is the last wolf, and wins, we can say "oh he didn't deserve to win" all we like, but it doesn't change the facts. Quite simply it bothers me that all he's been doing is bandwagoning while the rest of us argue amongst ourselves, and I think if we're ever going to do anything about him, we should do it soon. I disagree completely with Lommy and Agan in that regard.

Originally Posted by Legate

Which is sort of in contradiction, would-be showing that Skip applies different rules on himself than on others ("better him than me" vs. the latter).

Yes, but in the situation you're describing, Skip's life actually was in danger, where Nerwen wasn't in quite as dire straits, so... I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Originally Posted by Legate

Well, it just seemed to me far-fetched, but as you see, now that I have looked at skip's posts myself, I don't find it so far-fetched anymore.

Which could be a Wolf of Amon Lanc's way of backtracking after Nerwen put up too much evidence to counter? Hm.

Originally Posted by Agan

Haha I might try that some time I'm a wolf... But all in all it's generally too risky.

...Which could be an Aganwolf's way of hanging on to her "I wouldn't be so stupid" argument. Argh.

Originally Posted by Lommy

As for her, I don't like her commentary on Skip's death at all. She even herself said a wolf would pay attention to such stuff, and that's exactly what she did. It just seems too far-fetchedly precise to be innocent.

I actually sort of agree with this comment, too. It's almost as if Nerwolf is trying to prove her innocence by using her own wolfish reasoning.

Originally Posted by Agan

As for winty, I think it's better to ignore him, regardless of his role, until he starts to post more. And if somebody tries to lynch him today "just to be on the safe side," they are either wolves or stupid. Because we just can't afford to check people out, at least as long as we don't know if there's one or two wolves.

Like I already said, I disagree totally with this. Wait... I wonder how an Aganwolf/wintyCursed scenario would play out? I suppose Lommy could fit there too, instead of Agan, based on wanting to keep winty in the game... but that could just be because we disagree on what to do about him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

To sum up... after looking at all of them, Nerwen, Legate, and Agan all have points against them... and I'm honestly not sure which are bigger! But I'd like to reiterate that I would support a winty lynch today - if he's innocent he's at most unhelpful and at least distracting, and if he's a wolf he's flying totally under the radar and going with the majority, which is a pattern I've seen from him all game.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Aganzir– I don't see what Aganwolf would have to gain by pursuing me to the extent she has, (unless she's trying to revive the old "witch-hunt" technique, but that would be foolhardy).

Are you perchance missing a word there or something? ("she has...?")

Brinn– voting record almost eerily good, (yes, I know, the pot addresses the kettle) possible subtle defence of Glirdan. Yeah, whatever, I already looked at her a couple of Days ago and she came up "inconclusive". Now, however, I'm starting to find her actually creepy, mainly because of this, toDay:

My bolding. This late in the game, with an unknown number of wolves still around, lynching me is worth it just to set her poor little mind at rest– even if I turn out innocent, it seems ("whatever her role"). Not good.
Also, picks up on the "one of them must be a wolf" meme.

Definitely agreed that lynching somebody "just for the sake of it" is not a good idea, however, I see it that way that she just wants to lynch you AND if you are not a Wolf, she would not pity that so much - which is somewhat understandable thinking. However, certainly we should not lynch somebody for the peace of mind - we had such a liberty more or less in the last few Days, but now it is getting somewhat more dense again.

Speaking of Brinn, I have been thinking her mostly innocent before, so I am starting to think whether she could not have been slipping under my radar now, but maybe it will be best to wait for her to post and follow her to get more information about her.

In any case, this post of Nerwen's does not give me much of a good impression in general - it's rather, well, ineffective (in the sense: what is it good for?). My initial thought was being reminded of the desperate Wolves who make their last post before dying where they accuse everyone (see Sally's post before her death - basically the same, except for the famous line "Inzil is innocent, I just know it" or stuff like that). Basically this kind of mentality could be just half-resignation (which sounds almost incredible in relation to Nerwen) or just a post with no real value, making oneself a wide range of suspicion (like, right now Nerwen could vote anybody), or something like that.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, and one of my posts has indeed disappeared– didn't notice before. I quoted from it too. The only thing I can think of is that I might have accidentally hit "delete" in the process– but wouldn't that be marked as a deleted post?

The site went down for a while not long after that– may have something to do with it.

EDIT:Added remark.

Okay, whatever, that might be it.

EDIT: x-ed with two Shastas

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so looking through skip's posts, I am not really sure how much he could have been perceived as Ranger. There is however one thing not from yesterDay, but from the Day before, which maybe in connection to the thing mentioned by Nerwen could make him look Ranger-y:

Originally Posted by skip spence

Alright.

++Morsul

Better him than me (apart from what I've already said)!

And then the next Day:

Originally Posted by skip spence

Interesting to note is that Nerwen uses her retraction "to save herself" although this in fact was not as vital as I first thought. When Nerwen re-voted Morsul was on 5 votes while Nerwen was on 3 with only Brinn left to vote, so even without the retraction she'd likely have survived.

Which is sort of in contradiction, would-be showing that Skip applies different rules on himself than on others ("better him than me" vs. the latter). It's sort of questionable as there were still many people left to vote back then when skip voted, but then again, if he was leaving and not expecting to vote after that... but there is also the other thing Nerwen mentioned, and now actually seeing it it looks a bit more "there is something more important than being innocent"-knowing.

Originally Posted by skip spence

If you are innocent I think it more probable that you'd take the risk of keeping the retraction and hoping none shows up to vote again. The consequences for the innocent team wouldn't have been that bad if this happened.

However, if you are a wolf, the consequences of getting lynched then would have been the greatest imaginable: the game would be instantly lost. There would be no comfort-zone to take chances.

And, of course, speaking of that, his sort of general opposition for Agan's wasting-retractions theory is even a lot more reasonable now: he obviously had personal interest in keeping his retraction, as saving himself might have been crucial if necessary. On the other hand, yesterDay he used his retraction in circumstances where he wasn't threatened (he retracted from Nerwen to Agan), so one would think that would've spoken sort of against him being the Ranger. But who knows.

Anyway, it does not seem to me that there would be anything in his posts pointing towards the knowledge whether he made a save yesterNight or not. Well, I guess no can do.

So... I'll be off now for a moment, but will try to stay updated and then be back to contribute something more.

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen