TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Hakon

Because we can use the bear to kill a possible wolf or cobbler. Morm I am hoping you retract that vote. I am very arrogant it is just starting to show since I have started speaking to the Phantom.

Crossed with Rikae's 177.

Um, yes... I'll speak very slowly here so I can be sure you understand...

To the pain means... Oh, wait, that's not it.

Why exactly do you think we can control the bear if we know xyr role?

[Rikae]

I swear, if this persists, I'll vote Hakon out of sheer irritation.

[Macalaure]

I'm sure the wolves are very amused by this bear-discussion.

Originally Posted by Hakon

So if we figure it out then during the night phase...

If we figure it out, then the bear should have no more night phases.

That's a big if, btw. Most likely, if the bear will be lynched, it will be out of general suspiciousness rather than a concrete one.

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Um, yes... I'll speak very slowly here so I can be sure you understand...

To the pain means... Oh, wait, that's not it.

Why exactly do you think we can control the bear if we know xyr role?

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

Crossed with Rikae's 181.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Hakon

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

...your point being...?

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

...your point being...?

Since the bear will be dead either way we might as well try and ask the bear to kill someone for us. It is a long shot but I think it is worth a try and the key thing to remember here is that it only works if we figure who the bear is and since that is not a priority right now this plan will probably never happen.

[Nerwen]

Hakon, you do realize the bear's one of the bad guys, don't you?

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hakon, you do realize the bear's one of the bad guys, don't you?

Yes I know that. I am pointing out that the bear can be used to our(the villagers) advantage.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Hakon

Yes I know that. I am pointing out that the bear can be used to our(the villagers) advantage.

The bear can kill wolves and cobblers, accidentally or or purpose, if xe has a strong suspicion and feels it's in xyr best interests. This does not mean the bear will kill the person we ask xem to.

Now, for God's sake, people, stop this foolishness! If I lack better suspects I'll vote Hakon on the grounds that even if he is innocent, he's only a liability to the village. That might seem harsh, but for crying out loud...

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Rikae

If I lack better suspects I'll vote Hakon on the grounds that even if he is innocent, he's only a liability to the village. That might seem harsh, but for crying out loud...

I understand. I mean if I do not have any suspects I am voting anyone who uses backwards text later in the day.

[Nerwen]

Why aren't we asking the wolves to kill the bear, too? In fact, why don't we just make it a formal request?

Dear Bear and Wolves,

Please kill each other and not us.

Yours Sincerely,

The Villagers.

I'm sure they'll all listen.

EDIT: X'd with Hakon.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Hakon

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

Yes, the bear can kill a cobbler or wolf - or an innocent. The bear is as good as dead in that case anyway, and will kill whomever xe wants. Letting xem have another night kill would be absurd.

Please don't make me explain this again. This is not why I play werewolf.

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Yes, the bear can kill a cobbler or wolf - or an innocent. The bear is as good as dead in that case anyway, and will kill whomever xe wants. Letting xem have another night kill would be absurd.

Please don't make me explain this again. This is not why I play werewolf.

I don't need you to explain that again. I understand what you are saying. I am just pointing stuff out. Since this seems to be causing an unnecessary argument and the bear is not a priority let us move on to talk about the priority which is the wolves. Mac, I agree with you about the wolves being very amused.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Hakon

I don't need you to explain that again. I understand what you are saying. I am just pointing stuff out. Since this seems to be causing an unnecessary argument and the bear is not a priority let us move on to talk about the priority which is the wolves. Mac, I agree with you about the wolves being very amused.

Oh lovely. So now you're going to try and turn it around and claim someone else was sidetracking the conversation? I also note you didn't admit you were wrong.

I'm not going to waste a vote on you unless I don't see anyone more suspicious, but I'm going to have to stop responding to you, for the sake of my blood pressure.

[Hakon]

Morm, thank you for retracting it.

EDIT: I removed all personal content from the post. Now it is just the one line.

[mormegil]

Personal conversations that could be considered offensive such as the one currently progressing are to be terminated immediately. Please delete all such content or I will delete it. Boromir is aware of this.

WW games should not result in personal attacks or insults!

[Nerwen]

Content deleted because it was a reply to something Hakon said at #198, which has been removed.

[Brinniel]

I think what Hakon was saying is that if something happened like the seer revealed the werebear, then perhaps we could leave him alive to either have him kill a wolf or have the wolves waste their kill on him (as they may be worried that he will kill one of them) come Night. Then we can spend the Day hunting a wolf instead. I don't know if it's an idea I'd go for, but it's not stupid. We can't expect the bear to listen to us, even if exposed, so it'd be all about luck. If the bear killed a wolf, it be more likely he did without intentionally trying, and the wolves would probably only waste a kill on the bear if their numbers were down or they had a reason to think the bear would pick one of them as his kill.

I think you all are being rather harsh on Hakon. While he hasn't caught on as quickly as some newbies, I don't think he's intentionally trying to be confusing or irritating; he probably really just doesn't understand all the rules. And while that doesn't mean he's necessarily innocent, not understanding something is no reason to attack someone. I know for some old-timers this confusion can get irritating, but you should give everyone a chance to learn. Let's not drive our newbies away from this site, okay?